Either Norah O'Donnell cannot read her telemprompter, or MSNBC is just lying about Obama's comment

[MadBadger]

She said that Edwards and Clinton are hitting Obama for saying that Ronald Reagan and the Republicans had all the good ideas. Now, Ive only been able to find him saying that they were the party of ideas, not good or bad ones. So is she brain dead, or is MSNBC just lying?

[Maven]

1. You should talk about lying.

:eyes:

[Colobo]

2. Just lying. That's their specialty.

[MadBadger]

3. Well she just played the tape, and he didnt say good ideas.

[sunonmars]

4. you knew this was going to happen

They will take any soundbite now and batter you over the head with it.

Which is why you need to keep mouth firmly closed these days.

[Pirate Smile]

5. I've been trying to find their phone number since she said that.

Anybody have it? We need to call. That was pathetic.

[MoonRiver]

6. I, for one, interpreted Obama's comments about Reagan to be positive.

My husband also agrees with me, and he previously supported Obama. I was on the fence between Obama and Clinton. Now we are both pro-Clinton. NO DEMOCRAT SHOULD EVER PRAISE A RETHUG SCUMBAG SUCH AS REAGAN. NO WAY, NEVER.
:mad:

[MadBadger]

8. Only when he dies then right?

So you are willing to make an exception then, even though you just said, NOW WAY, NEVER.

[MoonRiver]

9. What???

[MadBadger]

12. Read it and weep

June 5, 2004
Statement of Former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Death of Former President Reagan
Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere. It is fitting that a piece of the Berlin Wall adorns the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington.

President Reagan demonstrated his strength and resolve after leaving office when he shared his struggle with Alzheimer's Disease with the world. We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, as he did after the loss of the space shuttle Challenger. Now he, too, has "slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God," and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be.

Hillary and I send our prayers to Nancy, their children and their many friends and family, as well as our gratitude for the life of a true American original.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4112815&mesg_id=4112815

[MoonRiver]

14. That was simply a polite statement following a former president's death, for God's sake.

Clinton(s) did NOT compare Raygun favorably against Democrats. He/they were just being respectful.
:eyes:

[MadBadger]

15. You said NO WAY, NEVER

[MoonRiver]

17. A polite statement following the death of a former president is not in the same category

as stating that a Rethug scumbag compares more favorably than a Democrat. Get over yourself, already.

[peacetalksforall]

19. Is her web site wrong? Is it a false web site? Says Reagan and H. W.

are two of her favorite Presidents? Has that been debunked?

[LulaMay]

25. Because they WERE positive. It's an implicitly complimentary statement.

It is what he said, whether people like it or not. To claim he wasn't being complimentary is ludicrous.

I was insulted.

[Mojorabbit]

33. I thought it was a brilliant political strategy

myself and I don't have a candidate. If he gets the nomination he needs to pull in the indys and the crossover dems. A lot of his demographic are young and only know the msm's meme of regan as a wonderful prez. Also during the repub debates everyone of the candidates were trying to co opt regan. Obama took that away fromt them and the msm is connecting his name with regans. A wonderful move for the general. It shows me he has a good calculating mind and can play politics with the best of them and I like that. He has never said regan's policies were good. I am loving watching the primaries.

[Barack_America]

7. Oh, did you think that the MSM is interested in FACTS?

That they do their homework or something?

What about Dan Abrams running with that "99 Problems" "story" when:
1). The original item came from an unsourced gossip rag
2). It was thoroughly debunked hours before his show aired

The media is interested in their own interests only. And those interests are $$. And there's nothing like sensationalist bullshit to bring the money in.

[VolcanoJen]

18. 99 Problems....

... #26 on the Clinton-Obama Incident Tracker Wiki. Excellent resource.

http://clintonattacksobama.pbwiki.com/Incident+Tracker

[Barack_America]

20. Hey, thanks for that!

It's pretty pathetic that story even got the legs it did. I can't believe that these so-called "journalists" have forgotten even the most basic of fact-checking skils.

[madrchsod]

10. they have to keep the flame alive!

just as it`s being done here....

[cd3dem]

11. ok.... Obama thinks Reagan and the republicans were the party of ideas... democrats have no ideas...

Yep! Obama is the man to transform the democrats all right... he is just like Mitt, McCain, Rudy, and Fred!

[DrFunkenstein]

13. Wow, Really Well Thought Out Comment

Way to tell us what Obama thinks. And suggest he is "just like Mitt, McCain, Rudy, and Fred!"

You have truly proven yourself a discerning voter.

[cd3dem]

26. thanks!

[Yael]

16. This is part of the problem with how vaguely Obama speaks

while it has its upside in that he isn't saying anything obtusely "offensive", the downside is that there is no there there and open to this kind of criticism.

If you listen in context, he was certainly on a praise bandwagon for Reagan and the "party of ideas for the last 10-15 years" (1993 to present).

[Barack_America]

21. No. The problem is that people have forgotten how to critically analyze information.

They've forgotten how to balance speculation against evidence. And when you have one side deliberately misinterpreting the remarks and putting misinformation out there, it doesn't help.

[LulaMay]

30. Ask any english teacher or writer if his statement isn't implicitly POSITIVE.

It is. You may not like what he said, but that IS what he said and meant. He was being complimentary in his remarks.

[LulaMay]

31. Yes. You can't make everyone happy when you speak. He tries and gets off track.

Those remarks were entirely uncalled for.

[polichick]

22. Serves Obama right - he wanted Republicans to think he meant good ideas...

His vagueness is calculated, same as his refusal to go on record by voting in the Senate.

[LulaMay]

23. I saw the entire interview. His comments were horrible.

I have donated to both his and Clinton's campaign.

Campaigns have long used the phrase "we are the party of ideas". There is no need to add adjectives; such as we're the party of BETTER ideas or GOOD ideas. It sounds redundant. The statement is implicitly positive.

I watched the entire interview. He goes on to say he 'didn't come of age during the battles of the 60's, and is not so invested in them', that it's a 'generational thing', that he is not anti-war, and his frame of reference is not Vietnam, that he is not about that or like 'some 70's LOVE-IN'. He puts down 'Baby Boomers' specifically and implied that (we) and that great era aren't relevant now.

His remarks were insulting and sad.

I'm tired of people claiming he did not praise Regan or the Republican party in his remarks. Yes, he did, for whatever reason. He wasn't misquoted and nothing was taken out of context. He is very plain about it and complimentary of them when speaking.

[polichick]

24. Can't fool you!

I'm glad ~ seems most are buying right into his slick con man bullshit.

[cd3dem]

32. Obama was a 19-year-old college student when Reagan took office

He spent his Reagan years in college... why would he not think the Reagan years were good?

if you were a union member or struggling student... then you may not have seen things as Obama did...

[polichick]

34. Why run as a Dem if he thinks Reagan was the man?? nt

[cd3dem]

35. we need to stand proud as democrats

republicans get a big thrill when democrats show weakness... and to denounce a democratic president like Bill Clinton just to degrade your opponent and win some Reagan-democrats is a disgrace to the party..

[MadBadger]

27. Norah just back tracked and said the correct thing.

[polichick]

28. When will Obama back track and say the correct thing?? nt

[Carrieyazel]

29. Both Obama's and Hillary's comments about Reagan are unnecessary and stupid

and they deserve what they get. You don't see Repukes praising Clinton for being the only Dem to win two consecutive elections since FDR, and for giving us the greatest economy the world ever saw.

Hillary and Obama are showing their complete lack of campaign savvy. Do they have a clue? They actually think that they can win over Republicans with this nonsense. The Repukes see it for the pandering it really is, and to think even a fraction of them will consider these two is ludicrous.