This, my friends, is a very, very desperate Man.

[JackORoses]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/19/nv.bill.clinton.tactics.cnn

He is clinging to his selfish urge to return to the White House with everything he's got.
He was even mingling inside the Caucuses today.

He will do anything. He will say anything. This is obvious.

For shame, Mr. President...for shame.

[ursi]

1. A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT - a sign of sociopathic behavior ---see DSM-IV

[creeksneakers2]

48. Clinton hating ought to be in there too

It seems pathological.

[KennedyGuy]

2. like making a racist commercial in spanish, you mean?

That kind of desperate?

[stillcool]

27. do you mean this union?

http://www.unitehere.org/about/

UNITE (formerly the Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees) and HERE (Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union) merged on July 8, 2004 forming UNITE HERE. The union represents more than 450,000 active members and more than 400,000 retirees throughout North America.

UNITE HERE boasts a diverse membership, comprised largely of immigrants and including high percentages of African-American, Latino, and Asian-American workers. The majority of UNITE HERE members are women.
Our top priority

Organizing the unorganized in our industries is the top priority for UNITE HERE. Over 50% of the new Union’s national budget will go toward organizing. Current major organizing campaigns are underway at Cintas, Hilton, H&M, and the gaming industry. In the past five years, the two unions have organized more than 100,000 new members

[Barack_America]

3. And to think that the term "Former President" used to hold some dignity.

For shame is exactly right.

[roguevalley]

60. I think, after months of all this, that I just about hate everyone. that is

what these primaries do. they make you hate everyone but the end.

[Muttocracy]

64. yep, good ratings for the media though

they get to enjoy the soap operas, esp. with the writers strike and all.

[otohara]

4. Isn't It A No, No To Mingle

damn, I got busted for picking up a pretend ballot in 04 with my DU Anybody But Bush hoodie.

[HughMoran]

5. Worst, most bitter post ever

Yikes, what have we become here?

[KennedyGuy]

7. some are VERY sore losers..expect it to get worse

the more Obama looses...

[HughMoran]

15. So throw our former President under the bus for political reasons?

Is that why the O/P is doing this?

[JackORoses]

18. being President does not absolve you of all sin

Bill is currently using the full weight of his Office and the innate American trust in Presidents to directly influence the outcome of a US Election.

Never has a President done this.

Bill can say whatever he may and People will believe him because he was our President.
They'll take him at his word and not even look into it.

He is abusing power. It is very revealing and disheartening.

[HughMoran]

20. I love Bill Clinton because I am a Democrat

I am not going to throw him under the bus just because his wife is running for office and he is campaigning for her, just as all the other spouses are. It's not her fault that he used to be President. He is a civilian now with no power, so I am not sure how he can "abuse power". We are not electing Bill and everyone knows this. In my opinion, he is just a distraction.

[democrat2thecore]

42. Do you really think people know we aren't electing Bill Clinton?

We are not electing Bill and everyone knows this.

Not hardly. Many people believe that Bill Clinton is determined to get back to the White House - at any cost. I think BILL thinks we're trying to elect Bill to the WH.

[HughMoran]

43. Americans are not generally mentally ill

I think it's insulting & excessively cynical to think that Hillary is in any way not earning every vote based on her merits.

[democrat2thecore]

52. So you think if she hadn't been F.L. and her name was Hillary Brown she would win? -nt

[Kucinich4America]

55. If her name was Hillary Brown she would never be a candidate

Might very well be a successful attorney somewhere. But doubtful a US senator (much less representing a state she never lived in) and most definitely not a presidential candidate.

[HughMoran]

59. That's an entirely different question

As the other poster stated, she would not even be a candidate who had any chance at all if she wasn't previously a first lady - we are way too misogynistic in this country to elect a woman who wasn't already quite popular and well known.

[democrat2thecore]

41. Unfortunately, I agree with you. Unprecedented. - and very sad. -nt

[Cadwallader]

66. "sore losers"

where have I heard that before? Hmmmmmmmmmm


Hey , know these guys?

[Barack_America]

9. A bunch of people scared shitless by the increasing prospect of another GOP Presidency. n/t

[DianaForRussFeingold]

14. exactly!

:toast:

[KennedyGuy]

17. I agree..thats why Obama must be stopped..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. If John Edwards Collapses SC Becomes In Play

A loss there for Obama and all this unpleasantness by his followers will be mercifully over...

[Barack_America]

24. You really are clueless about what the Midwest and South think about Hillary, aren't you?

Or do you just choose to ignore it?

She will not win in a general election.

[KennedyGuy]

26. are you really that cluless as to how the south views Obama?

he will NEVER win a general election..

[Barack_America]

30. Well then, I guess it's President McCain no matter what...

But at least Obama can win the Independents. At least Obama has a shot.

Don't forget what the South thinks of Hillary as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/15/politics/politico/main3714465.shtml

[maryallen]

35. Being from New York makes you an expert on the South?

I don't think so ...

[Barack_America]

38. Or an expert...

...on racism, which is what I'm assuming is his reason that the "south won't vote for Obama"

:shrug:

Although, it seems a bit odd that Southern Democrats would be aligning themselves with someone they don't think can win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Ipse Dixit

~

[TankLV]

56. Yes - not appropriate at all..

he's a fucking CITIZEN - EVERYONE has a right to go ANYWHERE!!!

Should we kick out the voters' children too because THEY weren't elligible to vote?!?!

some people...

[IndianaJones]

6. waaa. nt.

[no name no slogan]

8. ANYBODY can visit caucuses-- they just can't caucus in them

Candidates visit caucuses all the time. In my last one, I got visited by the mayor, my city council member, and the speaker of my state legislature.

If Obama or Edwards wanted to visit caucuses and speak to them, they could.

[VolcanoJen]

12. Not true in Nevada

They actually adjusted the rules so that each campaign could have 10 credentialed caucus watchers represent them, instead of the originall-agreed-upon 2 per campaign.

I imagine Bill Clinton was there as a credentialed caucus watcher for Hillary's campaign, so he was certainly there legitimately. But Nevada rules specifically did not allow just anybody to visit or observe their process. Press and campaign representatives only, and they had to be credentialed in advance.

[cd3dem]

23. thanks for speaking the truth!!!!!

I have seen the candidates at caucus myself... do DU'ers caucus or do they just post silly complaints?

Next thing you know they will be degrading Bill and Hillary for door knocking...

[no name no slogan]

33. I don't think many of them have ever been to a caucus

and then base their opinions on crap they read online, or what they see on CSPAN, etc. I mean, really, strong-arming people at a caucus? :crazy:


The only reason I ever got involved in politics was through caucuses. I can't think of a better way to get your feet wet in the process without having to join a campaign and butt-kiss your way into a delegate spot.

[Catherine Vincent]

10. What a disgusting post.

Including the disgusting posters that recommended this disgusting thread.

[butterfly77]

11. Wrong...

[joeybee12]

13. So...we need to shut up Obama's and Edwards' spouses, right?

Too bad...he's gonna get airplay no matter what he does...and it's gonna seem magnified compared to the WIVES of the other candidates simply making their spouses' case.

[durrrty libby]

16. The only desperate man here is you

89% of dems like Bill the other 11% post here

You are in a very exclusive pathetic club. Enjoy

[goclark]

19. I like Bill Clinton and you are insulting me to say

that because I am supporting OBAMA that I am in a "exclusive pathetic club."

Huum ~ you have encouraged me to get on with my OBAMA calls today.

[durrrty libby]

21. You insult yourself with poor reading comprehension. Try again

[William769]

31. And the cult beats on.

[RichGirl]

25. You, my friend...

are expressing your opinion. It's extremely annoying when so many on this board state their opinions as if they are fact. Unless you had breakfast with Bill this morning, and he confided in you...you have no idea what he is thinking and feeling.

[JackORoses]

32. sometimes you can tell a man's intentions by his actions

this is one of those times

First Bill supported the lawsuit to suppress the at-Large Caucuses

Then when that failed he hit the Casinos with signs and buttons and used his Celebrity to gather votes.

He got on the air talking about how he witnessed Voter intimidation personally.

He fomented a backlash against the union by its own members convincing them that they were being told what to do by their bosses and Obama.

He is quite underhanded in his methods.

[Jai4WKC08]

34. How is it underhanded?

Everything you listed was done openly, mostly with complete media exposure. What's underhanded about that?

Just because you don't approve (and I suspect you wouldn't care if he were stumpin' for your candidate), doesn't make it underhanded. Or illegal. Or even unethical.

If there was a backlash against the union, thank that offensive Spanish-language ad. I think it offended a lot of Latinos, especially union members.

[stillcool]

36. Here is the lawsuit::

http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/pdfs/2008/01/16/OppoDemsMTNRelief.pdf

and here is the Union that produced the ad

UNITE (formerly the Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees) and HERE (Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union) merged on July 8, 2004 forming UNITE HERE. The union represents more than 450,000 active members and more than 400,000 retirees throughout North America.

UNITE HERE boasts a diverse membership, comprised largely of immigrants and including high percentages of African-American, Latino, and Asian-American workers. The majority of UNITE HERE members are women.
Our top priority

Organizing the unorganized in our industries is the top priority for UNITE HERE. Over 50% of the new Union’s national budget will go toward organizing. Current major organizing campaigns are underway at Cintas, Hilton, H&M, and the gaming industry. In the past five years, the two unions have organized more than 100,000 new members.
http://www.unitehere.org/about/

[dugggy]

29. He heard there are some new young interns in the White House?

Yes, I agree Billy is very anxious to get back into the White House.

[KennedyGuy]

39. you sound really envious? Not much luck with the ladies?

[dugggy]

44. Not much luck with young ladies 18-22

but very good luck with ladies in my age bracket 45-60.
But then I don't even look for ladies that young.

[KennedyGuy]

50. yep..Clenis envy..

[dugggy]

51. Lame argument...

[yardwork]

37. You might as well be a Republican to post trash like this.

I've never seen Democrats behave like this. It's disgusting. Get over yourself.

[JackORoses]

47. did you even watch the video?

[suston96]

40. Desperate? Yeah, he is, but he has just said that he will go door to door....

.....church to church, in South Carolina to get that black vote.

Desperation? Yeah, whatta bitch.....!

[jillan]

45. Desperate? sounds more like he's in control to me.

[Tropics_Dude83]

46. He's not desperate

Dude, his wife just won a 51-45 victory in Nevada and is now the clear frontrunner and presumptive democratic nominee.

[BenDavid]

49. he's giving all his support to hillary as hillary gave all her

support to him in 92.

[KoKo]

53. Like Poppy Bush ...Bill needs a surrogate to Restore his Reputation as President...

and they were a TEAM (nothing wrong with that) but it would be if Laura Bush had political instincts and ran for Senator from Texas, worked hard and then ran to restore the Chimperor's Legacy that he tarnished on his own with help from his VP and some Neo-Cons and RW Think Tanks who went WILD.

[Orangepeel]

54. Maybe he just wants his wife to win? Thinks she'd be a good president?

:eyes:

[Barack_America]

57. But there are behaviors unbecoming of a former President...

And getting yourself involved in spats with reporters, and screaming bloody murder about a case or two of voter registration difficulties would be among them.

[DemCam]

58. A..didn't see screaming bloody murder but did see emphatic explication, lol

[HughMoran]

61. ...only if you're a hardcore Obama supporter.

Your view is so Obiased, that it has no practical meaning.

[Barack_America]

62. So you're in favor of seeing former Presidents red-faced, squabbling with...

local television reporters over caucus/primary lawsuits?

You see dignity in that? This man who is supposed to carry status with him as a diplomatic envoy. You don't think this shit gets around? You don't think this affects his status?

Democratic strategists are questioning his behavior. Lead Democrats have told him he's out of line and to back-off.

Yet, my opinion is influenced solely by my choice of candidate? Yeah, okay.

[HughMoran]

63. You're mean !

[Barack_America]

65. Hey. I like the baby pics. Feel free to keep posting them.

:hi:

C'mon, just come out and admit that you're *all* about Hillary. You come to her aid almost as much as I come to Barack's.

[HughMoran]

68. I will admit to being smitten by Chelsea

But the bigger picture is more clear here -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4125334&mesg_id=4125659

[Barack_America]

70. Chelsea did turn out well, eh? How unfortunate for her that she was in the press...

..so much during her "awkward phase".

Obviously declaring this "delegate victory" is a momentum issue...an attempt to keep black voters from turning against Obama again. Of course I know that. But, like I said somewhere here tonight, I am willing to fight tooth and nail to get a Dem in the White House. And considering I don't think Hillary has a shot in the GE..... And I honestly do like Obama, too.

If it's McCain, Hillary is fucked. The Republicans are going to twist her non-funding for Iraq into a slam of, "she'll vote for a war, but not to fund it once our troops are already committed". Against McCain, America's favorite POW?? Please. She's dead. That issue alone, combined with middle America's predisposition to dislike her AND the independents' predisposition to like McCain equals a sound general election defeat.

I'm just waiting for Obama to get started in my city and then I can put my time to better use.

[HughMoran]

71. I like Philly

My mom is from Camden (it wasn't quite so run down until the riots). We'll see how things go, I think Hillary would mop the street with that Bob Dole clone, John McCain.

[MercerForPrez]

67. Clinton is coming off like an loud, uncouth, redneck

eom.

[wisteria]

69. Oh, I have got to agree. He has no shame anymore. And, this Bill Clinton is an ugly person.

Do we really want him in power again?

[MercerForPrez]

72. No.

Send these hayseeds back to Arkansas.

[smalll]

73. What's up with the "my friends" ???

Are you John McCain or something?

[TriMetFan]

74. I just saw the video and

I would like to know why do you call President Bill Clinton desperate? I thought I was going to see some crazed man screaming or something. :shrug:

[bvar22]

75. I liked Bill a lot more...

before he started running for a 3rd Term.

I heard his wife is helping him, but she mostly just gets in his way.

[Barack_America]

76. Touche'....n/t