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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:29 PM
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Has any national politician in the 20th or 21st century ever "changed" "politics as usual"?
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 04:31 PM by Proud2BAmurkin
Or are politics as usual politics as usual because that's what politics are, always have been, always will be.

When the country changed it was because of depressions or wars or because people didn't want Jimmy Carter telling them to wear a sweater. There have been better and worse LEADERS but politics as usual has never changed.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:31 PM
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1. Here you go again - can you HOPE for a better tomorrow?
Or must you continue being that cynic? It's people like you that continue living without hope. Go ahead, vote for HRC - and just get another Pelosi-esque appeaser in the WH.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:32 PM
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2. I hope for policy changes and I've seen them in my lifetime
but they come through politics as usual, compromise
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:35 PM
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6. Sure - look what compromise has given us.
Let's compromise some more - shall we? Then we won't have a country left to defend.

Sorry, I'm voting for real change, not perceived change that DLCers bring to the table. I'm sick of the scraps that do nothing to bring jobs back in to this country. Lest we forget who was behind NAFTA.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:33 PM
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3. Howard Dean has
Not as much as he would have if he was President, but he certainly improved the DNC over what it had become under Terry McUseless.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:34 PM
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5. Agree but if he won the WH he would have worked within the same system and not changed it much
the DNC was ready for improvement
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:42 PM
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10. And you believe he didn't use the political process to do it?
He did. He simply included more in the process. Which is what they'd wanted so they were glad to cooperate.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:34 PM
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4. Sure
Ever heard of F.D.R.?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:35 PM
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8. The best leader of both centuries but crisis brought about change not a change in politics
politics as usual went right back to existing
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:38 PM
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9. politics as usual went right back to existing
If that was true then why is the GOP -to this day- still trying to overturn the programs Roosvelt put in place?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:43 PM
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11. Ideology changed because of crisis. Politics is still the same.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:35 PM
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There is a college down the street ... take a history class
Most of the questions expect a single sentence reply when in fact the Democratic party speaks volumes. If this does not suit the 6 second nature of this poster (poser) ... to bad.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:35 PM
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7. I believe so
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 04:35 PM by Bok_Tukalo
If I were to accept your argument then it would mean there are no great individuals articulating a popular political undercurrent of unease and need for a new direction but only those who are swept along.

I do not agree with that. I believe that we can be, and are, led; for good or for ill.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:52 PM
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12. Both FDR and Reagan changed politics as usual. FDR for the better and Reagan for the worse.
After the FDR tectonic change, the next few adminstrations continued to further refine and implement those changes, up through Johnson. While IKE didn't do much towards the continuation, he also didn't reverse in any appreciable way those changes.<p>

The next major change was Reagan, and both bush I, Clinton, and bush II continued to further refine and implement those changes.<p>

It's one reason I will never vote for Hillary. I don't want more of the same.
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