"The Clinton's", "Billary", Mrs. Clinton", "Co-Pres" are all Sexist Attacks by the Media

[LulaMay]

The media has created and has pushed the latest attacks on Senator Clinton using the storyline of "The Clinton's", "Billary", "Mrs. Clinton", "co-president", etc... We get it, she's just A WIFE, she's just HIS WIFE, and it's really HIM who's running for office. The Obama campaign is buying into it, capitalizing on it as well (saying he didn't know who he was running against in the debate.)

I think people on this site should at least have the courtesy to acknowledge this and stop promoting it, whether she is your candidate or not.

Let's face it, this is still a male dominated world. Men own the media, and they keep trying their hardest to take her down, getting more and more openly sexist about it. I'm sure it will only get worse.

Personally, I have been shocked she's gotten this far. A majority of men, and certainly very powerful men, do not want a woman as president, and will do everything they can to stop her.

Each time she wins it's as if they can't believe it. TV personalities spouting the latest attacks sputter and blabber about it until someone comes up with the next sexist strategy to sink her.

Right now it's to say that it's really Bill Clinton who's running for office, and highlight her as HIS WIFE.

That one will no doubt continue. It's been around before, but now they're really pushing it, following him with the camera's more than her, being confrontational with him and getting his reactions on tape, saying it's "bad cop/good cop" , actually him against Obama, Obama sadly repeating it.

I've been uplifted to see the large numbers of women and good number of enlightened men who support her not buy into it and turn out to vote.

Nobody who claims to be against sexism should post "The Clinton's" "Billary", Mrs. Clinton, or "co-president" propaganda.

[Mythsaje]

1. I agree.

It's bullshit, all the way down the line.

And I've NEVER stooped to doing anything like that. Then again, as I've said, I'm all about the issues. Shit like that distracts from what we REALLY should be talking about.

[LulaMay]

25. Agreed. It detracts from the real issues, one of which is women's inequality! Funny.

[jgraz]

2. Fine with me. I'll just stick to "Soulless Corporate Toady"

Cool?

[LulaMay]

Name calling is also disrespectful. Facts are better. For the record,

when she was on the board of Walmart, the only woman on the board, she fought for diversity, more women and minorities in management, etc.... She was not a corporate rubber stamp like so many board members are.

[jgraz]

6. OK, here are some facts.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing regarding the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito.

Senator Clinton skipped the Senate confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey.

Senator Clinton did nothing to prevent the passage of the Military Commissions Act.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the vote to extend FISA.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing on the Walter Reid scandal, even though she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing during the current debate on Telecom Immunity.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of George Bush.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to list these one-by-one)

Senator Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont

Senator Clinton proposed legislation to ban flag burning.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

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(I'm betting you wish I'd stuck to name-calling)

[LulaMay]

10. She has a long list of achievments. Each candidate has a list of mistakes as well.

and no, I don't prefer sexist name calling.

That was my point.

[jgraz]

12. Calling someone a corporate toady is not sexist

Using a candidate's gender to shield her from criticism definitely is.

[LulaMay]

21. I didn't say it was. I said it was disrespectful. She has a record that deserves better.

[FrenchieCat]

3. If I wanted to teach my daughters what not to do in their gain to equality,

I would tell them to look at Hillary Clinton's bid to the Presidency.

To see a woman have to bring her man on the job interview
to get the job
only to be told that she can have the job only if she promises to bring her man
with her on the job

is insulting.

it is nepotism, not sexism.

and no, it is not progress....

[LulaMay]

7. All candidates campaign with their spouses. She has a record on her own merits.

Ignoring that is unfair. Make your judgements based her on her record.

There is nothing inauthentic about her candidacy because she is Bill Clinton's wife. There are many examples in history of political familes, even besides the Bushes; JFK and RFK, Jefferson's, to name a few.

You and your daughters can at least be proud and uplifted a woman has come this far, even if she's not your choice.

Hillary Clinton is a brilliant and commanding leader. She has earned her position.

[FrenchieCat]

9. What is her record?

She didn't even have NS security Clearance or attended NS meetings.

What did she do more than others that merits her all of this experience you speak of? Be married to the President?

I am not proud of nepotism. Never have been.

Nepotism is the showing of favoritism toward relatives, based upon that relationship, rather than on an objective evaluation of ability or suitability. For instance, offering employment to a relative, despite the fact that there are others who are better qualified and willing to perform the job, would be considered nepotism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism

[LulaMay]

16. A lawyer, advocate for children and the disadvantaged, the first person to try and get health care

in this country, for starters....

I'll put a list together and post that next when It's not 1:30 am. I'm sure you took time to create yours an have it saved to make your case. You have good points. I don't agree with everything she's done, but I wouldn't discredit the good she has done out of hand, belittle her achievements and authenticity to run as a candidate just because I didn't prefer her. You could at least respect her position and right to run as a valid candidate, rather than writing everything she's done off and say it's only becuase she's a former Presidents wife.

Would you have done that when speaking of RFK? What's the difference? He was an asset to this nation. Should he not have been Atty. General because his brother was President?

[Mythsaje]

26. She's not my favorite candidate

but I think she deserves better than to be belittled because of her husband's status. She is not merely an extention of Bill and deserves to be treated as the individual candidate she is.

[cali]

73. Read a little history. She certainly was NOT

the first person to try and get healthcare coverage for the country. sheesh. outlandish claims don't make your case any stronger.

[GoldieAZ49]

145. Lame defense of Hillary

She only has a political life because of Bill. Riding his coattails after the public humiliation of his conduct in office and throughout their marriage is NOTHING to emulate or be proud of.

The way they have lied during this campaign shows them for what they are a politically ambitious couple that has no limit to how low they will go to get the power they crave, no matter who they destroy and disgrace in the process.

You really want young women to admire that? I hope that all woman, young and old reject such conduct.

Voting for Hillary just because she is female IS SEXIST.

[knight_of_the_star]

113. Sorry but running on Bill's coattails doesn't count as "earning it"

Not in my book it doesn't, it just proves to me she couldn't do it on her own merits.

[Mithreal]

14. If Michelle Obama were running for President

and she campaigned with her husband, a Senator and very talented campaigner, then you would make the same attack? I don't think so, I think you passionately dislike Bill and Hillary. If your daughters need to see an example of equality then why not help elect the first woman President or point to other countries that elected female Presidents and had no worries about using every asset they had to win including husbands. If I were running for office and Bill Clinton was only a close personal friend I would still ask him to help me win that campaign. I posted only because I am so very sick of Clinton and Obama dogfights that are not substantive and your post missed the point of the original opinion that I was utterly baffled. I am still learning what passes for discussion here. Anyway, I am an Edwards supporter so if you want to try and tear up another candidate then good luck with that, I hope you don't end up helping a Republican win.

[aquart]

17. It's okay. You'll get the hang of it.

Opposition helps to hone your mind and sharpen your arguments. Think of lion cubs at play. With their teeth.

[LulaMay]

20. I prefer civil arguments and debate with facts rather than behaving like animals.

using name calling (my original point), plain sarcasm, condescension, is not an effective or beneficial way to argue a case. Using name calling, especially sexist, racist slurs is very damaging to achieving real democracy and freedom.

[GalleryGod]

87. QUESTION: How did it take you 7 1/2 YEARS to find D.U. ?

Hoo-rah! C. Matthews concludes 2 days and six lectures to my classes; Spring, 2006. BTW, it's Jon's girlfriend that attends Harvard, thus the sweater ! LOL:shrug:

[LulaMay]

96. I had cancer, neck surgery, & my mother had leukemia, which all kept me busy/tired until recently.

Thank you for asking.

[aquart]

117. Animals never do this kind of thing.

This is purely human.

[GalleryGod]

72. Welcome, Rookie! READ THIS BOOK

[rox63]

86. Michelle Obama is not acting as her husband's attack dog, and is not an ex-president

Ex-presidents have a stature unlike any other person. That gives Bill a huge aura of authority, and generates press coverage wherever he goes for whatever he says. Bill is acting as Hillary's attack dog, in order to keep her "above the fray". That is the traditional role of the VP candidate, not the spouse.

[LulaMay]

97. Answer the Original Post please.

[rox63]

111. I was responding to a different post in this thread, not the OP

If you would bother to notice. What, is there a new DU rule about "no side conversations"? And don't tell me what to do.

[Mithreal]

116. Alright, how many ex-President's spouses do you see running? My question is still

valid and a hypothetical and you didn't answer. Hillary and Obama are my last choices for the nominee by the way. I am still trying to work out which one I like least as a candidate. On Bill Maher, it was said that if you really don't like Hillary it speaks less about her and more about you. I am regularly struck dumb by the level of 'hatred' against Hillary and the former President in some discussions. Don't let yourself be taken in by authority, or auras of authority. If people can't think for themselves and can't see past auras of authority they are probably part of Bush's core supporters anyway. And the "attack dog" stuff is ridiculous. You might as well call me her attack dog too, but I am for Edwards. And I guess you think the former President shouldn't be pissed off sometimes as well, give me a break.

[aquart]

15. That is so painfully disingenuous.

Of course she didn't need Bill's help. Look at the long list of other women who have made it to the presidency without that. Let's recite their names: oh wait.

She knew it would be hard. She made the decision to use every asset at her command. Bill is just one.

For which you condemn her. But me, I want a president who can do that.

[LulaMay]

22. I agree. There have been many political familes, JFK & RFK for one. Who would demean that?

I appreciate your remarks.

[GalleryGod]

75. Hi,Rookie! THIS man is the Clitons WORST nightmare.

And...Hyannis Port is "not pleased".

[Andromeda]

131. LulaMay...

Please ignore the animals here on DU. It takes little to rile them up because they lack so many of the traits that separates Humans from four-legged creatures. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes.

Our furry friends actually have more redeemable characteristics than some of the sociopaths who post here.

Please don't let that keep you from posting here because you make a lot of sense and some of us, myself included, appreciate your posts---and agree with you.

[Evergreen Emerald]

91. that is so insulting to women.

Clinton went to law school when there were few women in law school. She worked throughout law school for human rights--and realized how the democratic party was more in line with her beliefs. She campaigned for her husband and changed Arkansas's health care system (with the help of the WalMart owner, buy the way), and their educational system.

She is a powerful strong woman, who has a partner in this. An equal partner.

[VotesForWomen]

127. so you'd tell them to treat men the way they treated women? i can see the 'revenge is sweet'

factor there, but it's probably not a good model for the future; equality and cooperation are better, i think.

[dkf]

4. So is "Benifer" sexist too?

Maybe your point is that we are supposed to pretend that Bill Clinton hasn't inserted his mug all over whatever media he can get.

I guess you would have been happy if during Bill's run, we had completely ignored Hillary's presence too.

[LulaMay]

8. It Would be if Jennifer Lopez were running for President. "Clever" how the media adopted that.

He is not "putting his mug" all over the media. They are.

My point is that this name calling is sexist, and the charge that he is the one really running for president.

[dkf]

13. That's Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner btw.

Its simply a shortcut.

And Bill Clinton is putting his mug all over the media. Most of what I've heard him say is in interviews that he gave to the media, or in front of the media's cameras. The Clinton campaign left him in SC to do all the campaigning for the next few days and you say we should not acknowledge him?

I wish I thought Hillary was running on her own merits. It pains me to see her leaning so heavily on him and as a woman it offends me that I perceive it this way. Should I believe your assertions that she is running by herself, or my lying eyes?

I guess what offends me is that you expect me to not voice what I see to be true. I see that she is hiding behind her gender to ride on Bill's back, and you and she expect me not to say anything because you will call me "sexist".

[LulaMay]

18. Hard to keep track of celebrities. I don't pay that much attention.

[Mithreal]

19. Your perception may be based upon faulty reasoning or lack of data.

Which candidate claims to be running by him or herself? I think you may be using a straw man argument.

[dkf]

23. I think you need to read the original post.

OP says it is "sexist" to refer to "The Clinton's". ergo, she is running by herself.

[Mithreal]

27. I will repeat that you are making a straw man argument

The use of Clinton's doesn't mean using the word Clintons is sexist, it means the candidate is running singularly and not as a duo and referring to who is running as the Clintons' campaign is a slur. You are misrepresenting the argument or misunderstanding the original opinion. There is an apostrophe in there for a reason, please don't make me explain it.

[dkf]

30. Yes, the candidate is running singularly according to you and the poster.

sin·gu·lar /ˈsɪŋgyələr/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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[LulaMay]

34. According to the law. Senator Clinton is the candidate, not Bill Clinton.

You make my point, that it is sexist to lump them together and suggest that both are running, that it's really him running, thereby diminishing her candidacy and promoting her as just his wife.

[GalleryGod]

85. Turn in your blue book,please

D+

[LulaMay]

39. "Hiding behind her gender to ride on Bill's back?" You're right, I will call that sexist.

It's interesting that the when a person with prejudice keeps trying to defend their 'right' to use slurs, whilst pretending it's NOT prejudice, they just keep revealing it more and more.

[dkf]

49. I'm prejudiced against my own gender?

I think that is funny. haha.

And I'm sorry...I call em as I see em.

In a way, I am tougher on my own sex, because I expect better from my own kind, especially when it comes to role models.

I think she is in pretty good shape right now and she doesn't need Bill. I want her to do it on her own because I don't want a perception of our first female President to be a weak woman who needs a man to bail her out.

And to show you I am into equal opportunity, I see Bush as weak when he gets Poppy's friends to bail him out.

[LulaMay]

59. Very possible. Women often are in response to the threat of being accused themselves

of being pro-woman or unfair to MEN, ie' 'man haters'.

HRC is carrying herself, running her own campaign. She'll keep on doing it, but it's okay for her husband to campaign for her, just as other spouses do. Everyone is allowed to get the best campaign help they can, from family to celebrities to endorsements.

If she becomes president, she won't need Bill Clinton to 'bail her out'.

I honestly think you don't know much about her and her career. She is a strong woman and leader. She's not going to take cr*p from anyone.

[dkf]

139. As a woman I find her embarrassing...that is where I am coming from.

Its not out of sexism, its out of my desire for a female role model who I can be proud of and I am not proud of her. I just don't want her to muck it up for the rest of my sex. If she gets in and pulls all the types of shenanigans I see now, she is going to make women look bad.

[GalleryGod]

77. He is LYING again in South Carolina THIS A.M. I just saw the live feed.

Bill just can't HELP himself...she'll attest to that:

[smalll]

5. With contributing support from the apostrophe companies, I guess.

Seriously though, I think you're right. Except I don't take exception too much to Hillary occasionally being called "Mrs. Clinton" since in fact that is one valid version of her actual name. Just the way someone else actually has Hussein as part of his. Names are names.

[LulaMay]

11. Addressing a woman as "Mrs." hasn't been protocol in academia for over 30 years.

Nor is it widely used or accepted in most professions when addressing a woman in an authority position.

Feminists would argue that it is not a valid or appropriate address at all, for women to be identified by their marital status.

[cali]

24. Shocked that she's gotten this far? Really? How extraordinary.

she has long been the prohibitive favorite in the dem race, and that's simply a fact. She's backed by the most powerful political machine in the country.

Now let's look at your claims: "The Clintons", BOTH of them, have long made the "two for the price of one claim". Over the last couple of months Bill Clinton has played a leading role in her campaign- to the point that Kennedy and Emanuel have told him to back off. He plays that kind of prominent role, he should expect to take the heat for it. No other spouse has played the attack dog to the degree of Bill Clinton. He's not just advocating for Hillary. He's playing the part of a VP nominee, only in the primary.

"Billary": Please provide any examples of this tag being used. I don't watch TV so I can't know if this a common appelation used by the talking heads. I haven't seen it the written word press.

"Mrs.Clinton". I'd buy into that being sexism, if the MSM didn't also refer to Edwards and Obama as "Mr." in every single article where 2 or more are mentioned and they refer to her as Mrs.

"Co-Pres". Again, the Clintons introduced that idea. It's hard to shed, but this was their doing. And the more Bill becomes involved, the more that idea is reinforced. The more Hillary refers to "we did this" or "we did that", the more that idea is reinforced.

There has been sexism during this campaign: References to her as shrill or her laugh as a cackle, inordinate attention paid to her looks, but nothing you mentioned is de facto sexism or even subtle sexism.

Saying that it's sexist to talk about "The Clintons" is not only ridiculous it's offensive and defensive bullshit. And if they didn't want the co-prez buzz, they shouldn't have created and perpetrated.

[LulaMay]

28. It is sexist to classify her, a presidential candidate, as simply a wife. The media created this,

not Hillary or Bill Clinton. They did not invent the terminology, name calling or story line. It would not even be in their interest to do so. The media is promoting it. The media is taping him and putting it on tv more than any other campaign supporter, because he is the former president and her husband. Then they make a story out of it, ie; 'Hillary is first, foremost Bill's wife'. 'Good cop/bad cop", etc... etc.... Of course they are allowed work as a team, they are married, just like other candidates whose spouses and family campaign for them. Why is there's a double standard for her?

Every candidate welcomes recognizable support, from celebrities to family and spouses. There is nothing wrong with that. As I've written before, would you have faulted JFK and RFK for this?

"Billary" has been all over the internet and media. The media has spouted "co-president", not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton has repeatedly said in debates 'I'm here. I'm the one running'.

This is why some Dem leaders have asked Bill Clinton to try and not react to the media prodding so much, but I imagine it is hard when you see your spouse maligned, by the media, and a person feels repeatedly attacked.


"Mrs." is sexist and inappropriate because it identifies her by her marital status. Ms. is the only actually non sexist address for a woman. "Mrs." has not been used in academia or where a woman has a professional title or position of authority for many many years.

The most respectful address that should be used is "Senator Clinton'.

[cali]

38. What you're claiming has NOT been nearly as prevalent as

you're making it out to be. Not even close. You're making stuff up left and right, providing NO links and no real rationale. Look, she sends out mixed messages about the co-prez thing. She often speaks in terms of "we" when referring to her tenure as first lady. She claims policies enacted during the Clinton years as her own. SHE is largely responsibel for the co-prez thing. She's the one that has constantly used the Clinton years as a touchstone. You don't want to recognize that, fine. But it's not something that's escaped the vast majority of observers. Nor is co-prez thing an indicator of sexism. It stems from her rhetoric.

He's the ex-POTUS. He's playing a very high profile attack dog role. He's going to get some heat for that. And it's perfectly fair to do so. He's not just another spouse. Did bush sr play this role for jr? No. Not. Even. Close. He's using his power as ex-prez. Fine. He doesn't get a free ride. He is NOT automatically due respect.

And this:

"This is why some Dem leaders have asked Bill Clinton to try and not react to the media prodding so much, but I imagine it is hard when you see your spouse maligned, by the media, and a person feels repeatedly"

False. That is not even remotely true. Kennedy and Emanuel and Clyburn and others, lit into him because they found his attacks on Obama dishonest and unseemly. It had zip to do with the media. And I don't hear either Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards whining about how the media is maligning their spouses.

[LulaMay]

55. It was on TV all day. Both Michelle and Elizabeth have defended their spouses,

, but it doesn't get played the same way at all. Michelle Obama lashed out about Bill Clinton's oft mis-quoted and purposely misinterpreted "fairytale" remark, but it was on tv for about 5 seconds. Elizabeth Edwards has spoken out very angrily at Ann Coulter and about her husband being better on women's rights than Senator Clinton.

Again, there is nothing wrong with her taking credit for her years as First Lady when she took an active role in leadership on health care reform and other issues. There is nothing wrong with her saying "we" for her work during that time. That does not give the media an excuse to cast her now as nothing more than Bill Clinton's wife, or say he's the one running and would be co=pres. She has her own career record even outside her accomplishments in the White House. That is what should be recognized. She should be referred to as the candidate, because she is, not him.

You have no response to the point I made that the language and slurs are sexist and diminish her status/candidacy. Defend how they do NOT diminish her.

The media has followed and taped Bill Clinton relentlessly, distorted his remarks, and provoked him for a reaction on camera to use in forming a 'story line'. They have also spoon fed it to the Obama campaign and prodded them for 'responses' that have caused a lot of the infighting. We all should stop buying into it. It's divide and conquer. We should respect all our candidates and focus on the issues, their records and statements, not media bites and slurs meant to rile people up.

[GalleryGod]

71. Sorry,again

READ the TRUTH...

[Andromeda]

133. Self delete

[JTFrog]

47. And yet her own campaign ignores Senator and Clinton and goes with just Hillary.

And if she didn't want to be running as "The Clinton's" then perhaps she should have stayed and faced the people of S.C. herself instead of sending her husband Bill. Is that what she's going to do when shit hits the fan as Pres? Send in Bill?

"I'm your Girl" hasn't done much to keep sexism out of her own campaign.

[LulaMay]

29. I'm shocked because of the level of sexism that still exists, but uplifted to see it weakened.

[Evergreen Emerald]

99. I am with you. I was so saddened when the campaign first

started and "progressives" on DU attempted to minimize Clinton using sexist language. It is very ugly and not in the least progressive. It continues today, even more vitrolic and angry.

Sexism is alive and well in America--and not even fodder for MSM.

[Skidmore]

31. If it quacks like a duck, sometimes it's a duck.

[LulaMay]

32. There's no point arguing with a self proclaimed sexist duck. Are you okay with racsim too?

[Skidmore]

33. I'll refer you to #24 response by cali, who formulated the situation

very well.

[LulaMay]

36. It was not a good or cogent reply to my post. I explained how in my response.

Do you have a point that I have not answered?

[Skidmore]

41. Perhaps, I don't agree with all aspects of your answer.

I do believe that Bill and Hillary are playing out a strategy in which they present him as being a co-candidate. May I point you to the fact that he's the one stumping in South Carolina and not her. Also, there is a definite implication in the message, that when you vote for Hillary, you will be getting Bill and the 1990s back--let the good times roll. Cali is right in her analysis, the Clintons have marketed themselves as a two-fer for decades now, and it's a little late to put that horse back in the barn.

[Berry Cool]

44. I'm with Skidmore on this. There's nothing more sexist than a woman using her husband

to win her the highest office in the land--and the fact that he's the only spouse amongst the candidates' spouses who's actually occupied the office himself, and offers a unique "asset" or "advantage" in that way, makes it no less so.

What Bill is doing in this campaign simply cannot be compared to what any other candidate's spouse is doing, because he is unlike any other candidate's spouse. He will always get more attention and have more clout every time he opens his mouth. The other candidates' spouses, as much as they may be accomplished professionals in their own right, are playing the role of mere appendages to their candidates compared to him, and he knows it and she knows it.

I DO think the Clintons present the front of being "co-candidates"--deliberately. Because they know damn well that there are a whole lot of people out there experiencing "Bush fatigue" in the form of "Clinton nostalgia," and that they can capitalize on this by implying that a vote to put HER in the White House is a vote to put him BACK in the White House.

All considerations aside of how vulnerable that will make her to Republican attacks in the GE...it delivers a sexist message to me, which is that Hillary would rather ride Bill's coattails to victory than get there on her own merits. She is also just fine with him playing the role of knight in shining armor whenever she gets a bit weary of fighting. Sure, she's fully capable of fighting back herself, but if she ever gets tired or faces a fight in which she doesn't want to soil her hands for some reason, she can count on her man to ride to her rescue.

To me, that's not merely using every asset you have wisely, as anyone would. That's being a woman who's dependent on her man to fight at least some of her battles for her, and who is attempting to ride on his reputation rather than her own.

My not-so-humble opinion is that Bill should shut his piehole and let Hillary run her own campaign and run for office solo. If she's wise, she'll see it's the only way to go without making it look as if, should she be elected, "The Clintons" will be running the country. Not Hillary. "The Clintons."

[LulaMay]

46. She left SC to because she considers it lost. Spouses campaign in different areas

and different states all the time.

They have not 'marketed themselves as a two'fer', the media is doing that and highlighting her as his wife.

Of course they worked together on issues when Bill Clinton was president. She was a very active first lady being a lawyer and longtime leader in many areas. She worked on health care, which was her intiative, and other programs. There is nothing wrong with her pointing out that experience and those successes in which she spearheaded or took part. She deserves credit. That does not mean she shouldn't be respected as the candidate running NOW, or that the media should be given a pass to attack her with sexist slurs and implications that she is not running, THEY are, suggesting Bill is running, it's all about Bill, and she's his sidekick. That is insulting and dishonest.

My original post is a solid argument. You, nor Cali, has given one valid reason it isn't sexist to refer to Senator Clinton primarily as a wife or in a diminished role under the former President.

IT IS UNDENIABLE that the effect of using these slurs is that of diminishing her as the candidate, and claiming her husband is actually running. That is undeniably sexist.

Again, nobody would say the same of RFK and JFK, so why is she treated differently?

Again, the KEY POINT is how it's done, with the slurs and language referring to them in terms that define her as his wife.

[Skidmore]

50. The only people diminishing Hillary Clinton are the

Clintons, and Hillary is no RFK or JFK. It is about Bill ALSO as he and she try to protect his legacy. Fact is, she is his wife, and changing words doesn't make that not so. She is also a woman who has chosen over the years to tie her career advancement to that of her husband's. Squawking about languague doesn't change the facts. When you've asked for one Clinton, you get both, whether you want the other or not. This is how THE CLINTONS have organized their lives and careers.

[LulaMay]

53. I don't "squawk" (another sexist comment), and you insult HRC saying she's no RFK or JFK

rather than answering my point. So, she deserves to be insulted and diminished, her achievements unrecognized, because she's a wife who was first lady with an important political role and purpose, but it's inappropriate to do to the same to accomplished brothers? You make it clear that you have no argument, but simply support the sexist maltreatment of women in this manner.

[Skidmore]

58. What the hell are you talking about?

Not every word in the language is sexist. Perhaps you need a break and to think a little instead of just reacting. Maybe just slow down and actually read and consider my post. I repeat, Hillary is no RFK nor is she a JFK. Period. My opinion. Deal with it because I will have that opinion no matter whether you agree with it or not. As a woman, I chose not to support Hillary. I don't like her overly cautious approach to taking a stand when voting required a clear stand. I don't like the IWR vote and her tapdancing all over the place trying to get in line with current coventional wisdom on the war. Those decisions have resulted in the deaths of thousands. I don't agree with her giving * cover to possibly invade Iran with that vote about the Iranian Guard. I don't like the slow steady dance she and Bill have done with the Bush family or Murdoch. I don't trust her or him either, for that matter.

[LulaMay]

63. Respond to my OP. I said it is sexist for the media to use language that treats her

simply as Bill Clinton's wife rather than as a presidential candidate in her own right

I used RFK and JFK as an example of how that double standard exits. Nobody would criticize RFK as just having ridden his brothers coat tails! I never compared them with Senator Clinton as politicians or leaders.

[Skidmore]

64. I thought I had addressed you OP by observing that

that the Clintons have put themselves out here as a two-fer. I don't see that reporting that marketing is sexist, just a fact. As for the RFK/JFK statement, I remember at the time there were rumblings of RFK only being there because of his brother.

[cali]

78. lol. I completely responded- point by point

to your disingenous piece. And your response was pathetically weak and simplistic.

[flordehinojos]

35. in my soul, and in all honesty, i have thought of barack obama as nothing more than a

complete jerk, then a black man, who happens to sound and act very much like the other complete jerk, a white man, called george w. bush. (not much insight to this post, just telling it how i feel about a man who claims more virtues than he has, and again, just like george w. bush and his poppy george herbert walker bush) ... wow, where they cloning people back then?

[Bitwit1234]

37. What I find interesting is that SHE can be attacked

over and over and you don't dare say anything about the other candidate.

[LulaMay]

40. I don't understand your point. Can you please rephrase it?

[LulaMay]

42. Do you mean that people feel fine attacking her with sexism, but not dare display other prejudices?

Such as attacking Senator Obama with racial slurs?

I'd agree that racial slurs overall are recognized more and garner more outcry than typical sexist slurs women face everyday without so much as a blink and a nod.

The culture is filled with sexist slurs considered acceptable, the B word for one example, and language that is more subtlety ingrained. such as the continued use of "Mrs." and "Miss", defining women by their marital status whereas men are not.

We have a long way to go.

[Iceburg]

43. Agreed. And what I find amazing is how she is able to withstand the repeated ugly attacks.

Strong women frighten those that enjoy and benefit from the status quo...sadly some amongst the ranks are women.

[Berry Cool]

45. Nonsense. Many people have no problem with strong women, myself included.

What we DO have a problem with is strong women who use their husbands to get ahead.

Talk about sexist!

[LulaMay]

51. It is a sexist stereotype to say she's an opportunist who rides her husbands coat tails

She has the backing, money and lead because she is a brilliant leader and viable candidate. She was an active first lady because of her longtime activism and experience as a lawyer and advocate for children and the disadvantaged. It is proper that she be given credit for that. There is nothing wrong with her taking credit for her work as First Lady. To claim that she is simply a woman who's "using her husband" to get ahead is purposely diminishing of her career and achievements, her experience and commanding performance as a candidate. It is a hair's breath away from calling her a 'gold-digger'.

[Iceburg]

57. Thus confirming my assertion -- thanks.

Perhaps you should review Hillary's history and credentials before spewing such sexist nonsense. Shame on you.

[LulaMay]

60. Confirming what? You don't make sense. You made sexist remarks and defend them.

[Iceburg]

120. Lulamay ...my comment was directed at the post above yours

we are both in total agreement.

[LulaMay]

143. Sorry! I got a bit mixed up on the thread. I'm sort of new at this.

[JTFrog]

48. And yet her own campaign ignores Senator and Clinton and goes with just Hillary.

And if she didn't want to be running as "The Clinton's" then perhaps she should have stayed and faced the people of S.C. herself instead of sending her husband Bill. Is that what she's going to do when shit hits the fan as Pres? Send in Bill?

"I'm your Girl" hasn't done much to keep sexism out of her own campaign.

[LulaMay]

52. It's not sexist to use her first name! All candidates do. Spouses campaign in different areas too.

She left SC to her family and supporters to finish campaigning because it is obviously not a strong state for her and she made a smart political choice to get a head start in California and places it will help her more.

I do not like the song or references that use 'girl', but it is a word that for different reasons women themselves have tried to make their own over the past 5-10 years, and she is appealing to women and 'girl power' with it.

That is getting away from my argument that the media is using sexist language, slurs and 'story lines' that purposely diminish her candidacy, diminish her, and define her quite squarely as 'his wife'.

[JTFrog]

62. Getting away from your argument? Are you saying the media should have higher

standards than her own campaign?

[robbedvoter]

54. Courtesy? To Hillary? From DU? you're dreaming!

When any RW point is cherished here - Clenis included - you expect courtesy?
I haven't seen that much venom directed at Bush, so much outrage caused by torture as the new Clenis crusaders here...
I started by doing fairness fact checks - on all candidates and ended up defending Hillary full time. Without being a supporter. Just out of - yes - outrage.

[LulaMay]

56. Much appreciated....but I DO hope for civil, honest discourse! It helps nobody to take media bait.

Yes, the amount of venom directed at her is astounding, shameful, and the name calling, language so obviously sexist.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

61. I had always thought

"Billary" was a nod to her in a positive way during his administration.

If you think it's sexist... what about "Brangelina" (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie), "Bennifer" (Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez)... oh and the big one? Desilu (Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, and it was THEIR idea as well)

How is Billary being sexist? We've combined names since the dawn of time as an affection towards couples.

I like how Hillary Clinton's supporters try to shut a thread down by saying "SEXIST!" It's getting a bit old. I will vote for her if she gets the nomination only to try to get a Democrat in office to uphold Roe Vs. Wade.

Gobama!

[LulaMay]

66. This is not 'Entertainment Tonight'. It's a Presidental Election. 'Billary' is sexist

because it suggests she is just an extension, part of, her husband, rather than a Presidential candidate in her own right.

It suggests that even more so because "Bill" is the leading name on that 'creative combo'.

And who is trying to shut down a thread? I gave my opinion that this practice is sexist and shouldn't be engaged in...I didn't say anything about shutting down a thread or censorship. Don't put words in my mouth....or try to shut MY opinions down!

[GalleryGod]

69. Sorry,LulaMay. It's ALL here...Flawlessly written,Impeccably footnoted

So is she...:smoke:

[LulaMay]

74. What is? You don't include any excerpts, even out of context!

Of course, if Carl Bernstein wrote it, it must be true!

[GalleryGod]

92. Try READING it, MS. D+ ...go see the academic dean

Jealous of Carl? The book's been out there for 5 months...neither Clinton has thrown a single spit ball at it. Surprizingly..nary a peep from Hillaryland. 300 interviews: flawlessly written and impeccably foot noted. Read it and weep,MS.

As for excerpts: do your own homework,Rookie.
<7 1/2 years? and you find DU? something STEEEEENKS>

[LulaMay]

101. You are just rude, self important and abusive. Why don't you go home?

[LandOLincoln]

138. Maybe because his "home" is Free Republic, and since they

already hate the Clintons, he'd just be preaching to the choir there?

[LulaMay]

144. Thanks for the tip.

[THUNDER HANDS]

65. it's such a handicap having a popular ex president as your defacto running mate

I mean, how does she cope with being at such a disadvantage. She's a real trooper.

[LulaMay]

68. It is when media makes sexist inuendo about her role. Please respond to the OP.

[THUNDER HANDS]

88. okay. my response.

Is it sexist to suggest that Hillary Clinton might not be doing nearly as well as she's doing right now if she wasn't teamed up with her husband - the only Democratic President in the last 28 years?

Is it sexist to imply that?

I don't think it is.

Obviously it's a unique situation. We've never had a female candidate run who was a serious contender for the White House. We've also never had a former First Lady run before.

Surely a lot of voters out there want a female president. I know my mom does. I know my sister and my fiancee and her friends do.

But I think it's impossible to judge how much of her support is based off of her own qualifications to be president and how much is based off of who her husband was.

The two are intertwined, since she takes so much of her experience from her role as First Lady.

You take those eight years out of the picture, and leave voters between the choice of an ex-lawyer and 7-year U.S. senator and an ex-lawyer, three-year state senator and three-year U.S. senator and you might have a completely different race.

I don't think it's sexist to say that voters might be weighing their options differently.

Maybe they wouldn't be flocking to Obama or Edwards over her, but maybe they would have given a closer took to Biden or Richardson or Dodd.

It's hypothetical, of course, but that, in and of itself, does not make it a sexist statement to say that her marriage and position as wife of a former president hasn't helped her as much as anything else on her resume.

Right?

Or am I being sexist?

[GalleryGod]

67. Find me a NON-sexist term for this gal...

Then...READ this...

[LulaMay]

70. Senator Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Hillary, Ms. Clinton, Candidate Clinton

She is a woman in charge!

[LulaMay]

HRC only goes by sexist titles or slurs in your world? What do you even mean?

Do you even realize how hateful and prejudiced a thing that is to say?

[Mass]

76. How would you address her? I am confused.

I have an issue with Billary, because it was generated by the RW, but except that, how would you address her.

As for the Clinton's, about half of her supporters do not hide the idea that they will vote for HER because of HIS presidency. She is also claiming the good things of her husband's presidency. So, how is it sexist to follow HER campaign memes.

Because, without Bill, how is she more experienced, ready to run, than Obama or Edwards? She is just another one term senator (starting her 2nd term), without any other elected experience.

[LostinVA]

80. Senator Clinton, Senator Obama, Mr. Edwards

[Mass]

84. Well, it would be OK if she did not present herself as Bill Clinton's wife first and Senator Clinton

second.

[LostinVA]

90. She doesn't -- the MSM and certain people on here do

[LostinVA]

79. And all also used on here

Good post.

[LulaMay]

83. Thank you. I felt it needed to be brought up considering the media field day.

[GalleryGod]

81. Good for you,you got a lot of folks to pounce on your vapid,dogearred,RED MEAT, OP

WORTHWHILE reading, MS. LulaMay.

LISA has RIGHTS,too...but,now just a divorce agreement (thanks,Bill)

[LandOLincoln]

137. Karl, is that you? n/t

[democrat2thecore]

82. This is PC bull$%^#. --- It is what it is whether some like it or not

It is clearly "Bill & Hillary" "BillHill" whatever. It's not sexist AT ALL! It has to do with the fact that the spouse is an EX-PRESIDENT. They are using that influence, stature (and intimidation) as a campaign weapon against their opponents. Is that so hard to understand?

Turning the criticism of that into some kind of "sexism" PC crap won't wash.


edit spelling.

[LulaMay]

94. "Sexism PC crap"? "BillHill" isn't sexist and diminishing that she is the candidate?

How is it NOT sexist "at all" , simply because he is a former president? AGAIN, I make the point that other related political leaders have not been so criticized , such as JFK and RFK, even poppy and Lil' Bush, Jefferson's...take your pick.

This crud does not help Hillary Clinton's campaign. That is ridiculous. If Bill Clinton campaigning helps her, there is nothing wrong with that. She should be given RESPECT and acknowledgment for her active role as First Lady, not demeaned as his eternal sidekick.
She independently spearheaded the 1st attempt to get health care for all in this country.

And I understand it all quite well, thank you.

Please answer/address the OP point made, or take your sexism elsewhere.

[democrat2thecore]

95. MY sexism? It's sounds like YOU have the sexist hangup. You have to blame it on SOMETHING! -nt

[LulaMay]

104. I do have a 'hang-up' about sexism, I despise it, just like I despise all prejudice.

Answer the OP.

[THUNDER HANDS]

89. so when he ran and he said it was a 2-for-1 deal

we're not to imply that the same doesn't go for her candidacy?

[GalleryGod]

93. Vanity Fair, December, 1992. First time I read about 2 for 1.

2 for 1 bullshiite...got to love Our Clintons :puke: :argh:

LISA had to get divorced because of Bill.

at least she was married to a billionaire.
Google it yourselves folks

Great reading,too..

[GoldieAZ49]

147. ok you hooked me

read the reviews of the book on amazon I will buy the book tomorrow...none of the purchase price will go to the Clintons or their campaign.


Some of the reviews were very well written, this one is for the LU (pun intended) the op:

What also becomes clear is that destiny (pardon the New Age-ism here) brought Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham together. It is highly unlikely that Bill Clinton, given his many compulsions and personal demons, would ever become President without steady and reassuring "adult supervision" from Hillary. And while Hillary would likely be an important player in the public arena, she does not appear to have that "IT" factor that would propel her (in elective politics, arguably) beyond a congressional seat; had she not gotten all the exposure through the marriage to Bill Clinton. The book is as much a biography of a woman, as a biography of loving and yet always turbulent, hurricane of a marriage.




Gallary God, do you have a website with some of your digital images...and also will have to check out the Liza story....another casualty of the sexual predator....Ms Clintons loving husband :puke:

[LulaMay]

100. If he did, he welcomed her being an active First Lady. It did not diminish him

as a candidate because he's a MAN. Nobody was suggesting that he was Hillary's puppet or sidekick! Or calling him names that demeaned him and his role.

So, NO, it isn't the same thing. And the media didn't use that to discredit his candidacy. How could they? It wasn't sexist. He was telling people that she was an accomplished , strong woman who's input was an asset he would welcome. That was progress for women, the first of that sort, but more so, since Eleanor Roosevelt.

AGAIN, there is nothing wrong with Hillary talking about the successes of Bill Clinton's presidency and her part in it. She took on huge, big issues and worked hard on them. But she has her own career and record. She is her own person who deserves that respect from the media and others, like bloggers here.

Do you even understand what sexism is?

Answer the OP.

[mtnsnake]

98. You hit the nail on the head & it bugs the shit out of a lot of people because you're right.

[LulaMay]

102. Thank you.

[mtnsnake]

108. and I thank YOU

for hanging in there and schooling those who can't stand hearing the truth. Quite a few of them are only here because they're Karl Rove's minions who've infiltrated this board and only hiding behind another candidate to bring Hillary down with their feeble propaganda and innuendo.

:yourock:

[zulchzulu]

103. What a big honking wad of hairball pleghm of an argument

Is she not Mrs. Clinton? Are they not the Clintons?

Hell, I remember Hillaryworlders saying using the name "Hillary" was sexist. Whoopsie, that's what her web site says as well as all of her official merch.

Give it up with the cross-eyed bullshit.

[LulaMay]

105. Try reading the rest of the comments that already address these incorrect assumptions

If you just come here to swear at me, and not reply specifically to the points in my post, please leave.

Again: "Mrs." is not respectful, though out of sensitivity she wouldn't challenge it. It is sexist to define a woman by her marital status, especially when she is running for president and should be addressed as Senator.

NO, 'They' are not running for office, she is. It will not say "The Clinton's' on your ballot.

Nobody I know who supports Hillary has ever said using her first name is sexist. That is just silly. A lot of candidates do it, to be personal with their supporters....like "Fred" and "Barack and "Mitt", all used on signs.

I'm not cross-eyed. Please answer the points of the OP, if you can.

[zulchzulu]

112. It sounds like you want to hide the fact that Hillary wants to admit she's married to Bill

Clearly, when Bill and Hillary are on the same stage with each other, they are the Clintons. She IS Mrs. Clinton. She has said in speeches that Bill would "help out", therefore many people feel who support her also think it's a great idea that Bill will be "First Lady".

If you can't accept the facts that they are married, then it's your problem.

[themaguffin]

106. Hello Strawman

[LulaMay]

107. Answer the OP points please. I'm getting sleepy from repeatedly making this request.

and am going to sleep soon. I didn't get a good night's worth.

[themaguffin]

110. It's ridiculous and appalling that

you would (and the ClintonS) would play this game.

We have a former President - a former Democratic President doing his best to destroy one of our own.

Now if we were talking about a just cause, like Lieberman who should have been denounced by both Bill and Hillary fine, but this is an absurd situation and Bill's antics are just wrong.

I'm tired of this bullshit cutseyness from Hillary acting like she is innocent (and the victim no less) in all of this while Bill is making these assinine comments left and right.

If it is HER campaign, take control or admit to this bullshit.

Now you can admit this bullshit to.

This thread, her games, their games, their ambigious candidacy etc - all of it.

Either admit the obvious, or go back to sleep.


But most of all, spare me this contrived piece of shit about sexism.

[Barack_America]

109. Mrs. Clinton? Sexist? Bwahahaha!

Thanks for that, I needed it.

[Alexander]

114. She refers to herself as "Mrs. Clinton." You are beyond ridiculous.

Like the fake outrage of calling her "Hillary" when that name is all over her campaign memorabilia.

[LulaMay]

115. hillaryclinton.com Refers to her as 'Hillary", "Hillary Rodham Clinton", "Senator Clinton",not "Mrs"

I have not heard her refer to herself in this campaign as "Mrs. Clinton". It is certainly NOT the title she has promoted, as I indicated above. If she others has have addressed her as "Mrs.", she is not going to make an issue of it and offend married women who still use the title, or try to change the world overnight in that sort of regard. You have to pick your battles. If she has referred to herself with the title,I would imagine it is for the same reason.

The primary point is that she DOES NOT campaign as "Mrs. Clinton", and should not be addressed by the media as "Mrs. Clinton", but as Senator Clinton or Hillary Clinton. It is NOT sexist for her to use her first name, as I said before in this post, all candidates do so to personalize themselves with voters, ie' "Fred", "Mitt", "Barack", etc...

But, nice way to cherry pick the OP and make a less than astute, small and relatively meaningless observation.

[Alexander]

130. She took "Mrs. Clinton" when she took her husband's name. You must be quite dense.

Before that, she was known as "Mrs. Rodham" because she kept her name for a few years after she married Bill.

You are either a total buffoon or you're paid to be this ridiculous.

[Meldread]

118. It is Hillary's own fault.

1. There is nothing sexist about saying her becoming President is effectively a co-presidency with Bill. It's the truth. No one complains about the fact that Hillary is claiming every achievement Bill has made as her own, while denying every mistake he made. The fact of the matter is they are a team. When you get one, you get the other. Neither have done anything to deny that because they see it as a net positive. Both Bill and Hillary have painted his Presidency as a co-presidency, and the Gore's agree - just look at how they treated Al Gore - as a third wheel.

2. The whole "men are out to get her" notion is just laughable. The fact of the matter is people don't like her. It has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman, and everything to do with the content of her character. There is no vast conspiracy of men, meeting in back rooms with cigars, saying "Damn it. That uppity female has won again! Whatever shall we do to slow her down! She has a VAGINA! OH MY LORD! She lacks a PENIS!"

Continuously saying that all of Hillary's troubles are directly linked to her being a woman is not only a flat out lie, but it completely diminishes her in every possible way. Being a woman does not equate to being a victim, and Hillary Clinton is anything but a victim. She is a person who makes victims of others.

[Jed Dilligan]

119. Sexist, yes, but it may help her

A lot of people want him to be president again.

[HughMoran]

124. & a lot of women are motivated by the sexism

There is nothing more powerful than a backlash - just ask Barack about the NH primary.

[milkyway]

121. There are plenty of excellent female lawyers. What makes her so special that she might become

president? Could it possibly be that she's married to a guy who used to be president? She's made it very clear that she needs him to win, and won't hesitate to have him put her in the oval office.

[Metric System]

122. A new name for Barack and Michelle...

Barachelle. Yes, that kind of has a nice ring to it. I think I'll start using it more often. Heck, while we're at it, why don't we start referring to John and Elizabeth Edwards as, wait for it, Jiz.

[LandOLincoln]

135. Love it! Thanks for the laugh. Believe me, it's a welcome relief

from all the fifth columnist posts on this thread and forum.

[HughMoran]

123. I agree too.

It's one thing to root for another candidate, it's entirely another to play the sexist card because it's easy and lazy people can't think of anything better. And don't tell me it's retaliation for what Bill is doing because that sounds even worse.

[Cha]

125. The media's saying that? Wow.

They do that to the celebraties when they're together..like Bennifer, Bradgelina, Tomcat..ect. ect. ect.

[VotesForWomen]

126. i'm a feminist and i don't see it that way; women's lib is not about dominating men, it's about equa

equality. yes, previously in america it has been assumed that wives are to be seen and not heard, 'know their place,' etc., and this has certainly applied to first ladies, but that is where the sexism has come in. from what i can tell, bill and hill are a team, and that's the way it should be; people should not be suggesting that hillary should demote bill to the typical 'first lady' position; that would be a sexist step backward, and frankly, i like seeing the two of them work together.

[krkaufman]

128. No. Or at least not in every interpretation.

Given Senator Clinton's claims of "experience" owing to her involvement in Bill Clinton's Presidency, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that Bill Clinton -- a former President -- would be even *more* involved in her Administration, were it to come to pass. And they have frequently characterized their relationship as a "partnership."

Given the above, labels such as "The Clintons", "Billary", and "co-president" are not unreasonable, nor mischaracterising the image publicized by the Clintons, themselves. (Though one might infer that "Billary" is sexist, what with Bill's name coming first in the mash-up, he *was* President first -- and it sounds much better than "Hilliam.") As for "Mrs. Clinton"... what is she supposed to be called? I've heard Bill called "Mr Clinton."

If you want to proclaim sexism, your stronger case is the media hype (which continues today) over her "crying" (especially since she never actually cried), the media critique of her clothes, etc.

But before one starts throwing-out charges of sexism... please do note that Hillary has proclaimed that she is “very excited about the possibility of becoming the first woman president.” And let's not forget her juggling of surnames, a sexist or anti-feminist move on her part. Contrary to what someone very recently said, apparently one *can* have their cake, and eat it, too.

[Mithreal]

129. Hi LulaMay, good op, draws out the Hillary haters and makes them transparent

and when I say that I mean both your original op and the responses to the piece. Hillary isn't my first choice and I have made it a point not to put anyone on my ignore list, but several people who posted in discussion here have made me seriously reconsider my stance on that nuclear option. Take care and thanks.

[AGirl]

132. how about the line "I have no problem with a female president, but just not Hillary"

LOL. yea, right.

[Nailzberg]

134. She invites it by running on her advisory role during Bill's presidency.

The concept of a two-for-one was introduced by her campaign, not the media.

[Political Heretic]

136. Bullshit.

I would have been right with you, until Bill Clinton took more of a visible profile in this campaign than Hillary has.

Bill and Hillary work as a team in ways that are pretty much unprecidented. It's kind of a shame that the first woman with a serious shot at the presidency has chosen to try and get there by riding the back of her husband. Yeah, I said it.

BILL CLINTON is the one who opened the door for Hillary Clinton's campaign to be referred to as "The Clinton's" campaign, and I have no problem using the slang "billary" when the shoe fits so perfectly.

Hillary needs to tell her husband to take a backseat... he's turning this into his campaign for a third term.

[MadBadger]

140. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!

[Stephanie]

141. And calling her "Hillary" is a sexist attack, too!

Just call her CLINTON and shut up. The men aren't called by their first names, only HILLARY is. That's SEXIST. It's a conspiracy by the MEDIA to DEMEAN her. STOP CALLING HER HILLARY, ALL YOU SEXIST HEADLINE WRITERS! USE HER REAL NAME: CLINTON.

[Stephanie]

142. Have you ever considered defending her on the ISSUES instead of the BS?

Mr. Edwards

Mr. Obama

Mr. Kucinich

Mr. Clinton

[mdmc]

146. She wouldn't be president if it was not for the big dog...

they are a power couple and will always be lumped together...