Infinite Hope
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:27 PM
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Clinton's sexual remarks in SC debate plays on racial stereotypes. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 05:28 PM by Infinite Hope
So far, I've heard no one speak of this, but I caught it immediately. The comment came when Hillary spoke of Obama's 100+ "present" votes during the debates. Now, obviously she doesn't know my memory what all those votes were. Her campaign strategists who prepared her for the debate are who give her select examples from those votes. Which two "present" votes did she drudge up against her black male opponent? The only two votes of the 100+ "present" votes were two having to do with sexual issues such as sexual predators.
Edit: Obama isn't my #1 candidate and I'll be the first to admit some of the racial accusations against the Clinton's are overplayed if not bogus. But some in the last month have displayed a clear trend in the Clinton strategy for Feb. 5th.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:28 PM
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:28 PM
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2. I didn't see that as racial. I saw her choices as going for maximum controversy and damage. |
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:29 PM
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:32 PM
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8. I have, and I thought it was a little weird to fixate on the "sex" votes, but |
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maybe that was to hurt him among conservative Dems and Christians of any race.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:28 PM
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3. lol this is why Obama has tanked with white voters |
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:30 PM
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6. You are being sarcastic, aren't you? |
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:37 PM
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12. Obama's camp accusing all criticism of him as racist has done wonders for him with whites |
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It worked to swift boat the Clintons among blacks, with Hill now down to 15% white support in South Carolina, but it will haunt him on Super Tuesday.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:40 PM
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14. A supporter on DU doesn't equal Obama or his "camp"--learn to separate |
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them. If a DUer suspects racism, don't say "Obama cries racism"--that's just silly.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:42 PM
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16. Obama's spokesperson, obama's campaign and cronies swiftboated the Clintons as racist |
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:46 PM
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19. No, they didn't. One may have shot his mouth off in an unfortunate manner, but in |
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general, I don't recall anyone saying the Clintons were racist. If you can find a quote to that effect by a member of Obama's team (except for Jesse Jackson Jr, who I freely admit went overboard), then I'd like to see it. I think the Clintons were warned by a variety of folks not to stir the race pot ahead of SC, but that was it--that's not the same as calling them racist.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:30 PM
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5. Yup, you can't criticize Obama at all because it's always |
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racial in nature...that's what his minions are hoping people will buy into this Saturday. be nice if he could respond to criticism or allegations instead of always playing the race card.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:31 PM
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7. He did respond in the debates. The issue is that there's a clear strategic pattern with the Clintons |
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:32 PM
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:33 PM
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10. You have got to be kidding?!? |
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If we're going to play that game, I think the most obvious racial stereotype I heard during the debate was when Obama said he'd like to see Bill Clinton dance first before answering whether Bill is the "first black President."
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:40 PM
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15. Exactly. He was making fun of a racial stereotype which is why he and those in the audience laughed |
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as the cameras panned the audience of blacks.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:36 PM
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Is every freaking thing going to be a racial attack now? If Hillary looks cross-eyed at Obama will that be racist? :eyes:
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:39 PM
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13. I don't see it as a racial stereotype |
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But she knows the strong feelings everybody has toward sexual predation. Are you suggesting people associate sexual predation with a particular racial group? That's something I'm not familiar with, unless that's something unique to the South.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:42 PM
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17. Black males are stereotyped historically as sexual... |
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predators. I've studied U.S. race history so I have academic background on these issues and the use of them in campaigns in America. I'm not charging racism for a candidate who's not even my #1 for mere enjoyment.
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Wed Jan-23-08 06:16 PM
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22. I'm aware of these stereotypes |
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Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 06:17 PM by goodgd_yall
I lived through the 60s when we were first made aware of, in public discourse as well as in academia, the association of black males with heightened or uncontrolled sexual energy. But this is what Clinton said,
"And on issue after issue that really were hard to explain or understand, you know, voted present on keeping sex shops away from schools, voted present on limiting the rights of victims of sexual abuse, voted present time and time again."
I disagree that the words "sex shop" and "sexual abuse," in this day and age, conjure up the images of black men. If she had mentioned "rape," I think your argument might be stronger. So, I don't believe Clinton was playing on white fears of black men, but on conservative social values in the case of "sex shops" and on real concerns of women in the case of victims of sexual abuse.
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:45 PM
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18. Infinite Hope plays the race card! |
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good job at begining a totally bogus, low as snail shit charge!
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Wed Jan-23-08 05:49 PM
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Looking for ammunition to use against an opponent that makes him/her look soft on sexual offenders - especially child molesters - is Op Research 101. This has NOTHING to do with race!
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Wed Jan-23-08 06:10 PM
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21. Not racial at all. She wouldn't get anywhere pointing out a present vote on a transportation bill. |
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The present vote issue is bogus to me, because I have a better working knowledge of the IL General Assembly than your average voter.
But from a strictly tactical standpoint, if she's gonna bring it up, she has to go for something splashy. And that is crime. She mentioned a juvenile offender bill, and the adult zoning bill. That is what scares suburban women - whether the opponent is white or black.
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