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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:50 PM Original message |
Black people simply voting for the Black candidate is NOT a victory |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. What about women voting for Hillary? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. I agree with you in principle |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
153. Bill Maher predicted an O.J. Simpson outcome |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #153 |
173. Bill should see Dr. Drew ... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
204. What does O.J. Simpson have to do with Obama? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #204 |
215. is that what he means? Cause it is offensive. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #215 |
235. of course that's what he means |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #215 |
259. He is saying that the general election is where a backlash of prejudicial voting |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #259 |
263. O.J. Simpson is NOT the only well known case with a pronounced difference of opinion |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #263 |
268. I don't say it is the only. Nor did I say it was right. And actually your comparisons are even |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #268 |
270. Of course my comparisons are insulting - just as insulting as the Obama/OJ comparison - that was my |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #153 |
267. The jury acquitted simpson based on the mishandling of the physical evidence |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
94. there's a lot more diversity in women's votes. but it is understandable that women or blacks might |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. Well Obama won the women vote |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #104 |
179. They were made up of black women. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #179 |
216. Why don't black women like your candidate then? n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #216 |
242. They did until the Clintons were swiftboated on race |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
127. Hill being a women may be factor-tiny, small, whatever-but one factor amongst many. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
234. what about everyone voting for white men |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #234 |
243. Edwards is tied among white males nationally with Obama and Hillary |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #243 |
265. the point is |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. According to CNN - 38% of College Educated Whites |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh, but this race is about him being black. We can't talk about that. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Thoughtful OP by Journalist... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
174. Journalist..crunch some numbers,please. TURNOUT |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #174 |
180. 55% of the voters were black. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #180 |
218. If only they didn't have the right to vote, right? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
48. How many voted for the other candidates? |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Black folks turning out in large numbers if a nationwide trend is very good for the Dems in general. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That is because they are not the majority. nt |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. He won the young adult whites |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. I have to say it's amazing how much you would actually marginalize someone who is black |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. It's amazing you would actually tell her something like that |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
167. I find what the OP said insulting and |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. So a Black poster isn't permitted to tell the truth about what she sees going on in her community? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
87. She called him "The Black Candidate" which is definitely a way or marginalizing him |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #87 |
115. Obama made himself the Black candidate for SC--now he will be the all people's |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #115 |
130. Obama made himself the black candidate? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. he sure did. --but nothing wrong with that---he was SC. I see nothing wrong |
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guidod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #115 |
187. Please explain to me |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #187 |
222. Obama made himself the black candidate when he decided to shout "Racism" |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #222 |
264. I missed the part where Obama "shouted racism" from the rooftops or anywhere else |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. Why are you surprised? That is the Clinton campaign's tactic |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
164. Black people were supposed to have blind loyalty to Bill Clinton |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. 52% of the under 30 white vote went Obama |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. why such a low number of young voters? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
181. white voters under thirty were only 1/20th of the electorate in the Dem SC primary. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. So Obama won because he's black? Fuck that. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. It's no better than if he had lost for the same reason. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
123. Don't you get it?---Obama made himself the Black Candidate for SC |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
182. 8 out of 10 of his votes were african american voters. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
245. When is the last time a white Democrat got 81% of the black vote in a presidential primary? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. He did respectably among all groups. This was a blowout. |
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BluegrassDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. Obama wins more delegates and gets headlines...that counts as a "W" in my book |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. When is he going to start getting into some details.. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
197. Another "details" post. Read what he has written. Read his position papers. Look at his record. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
213. It seems to me that if you like a candidate, and that candidate just happens to be the same race as |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. If our own party can't get past it, there isn't much hope. n/t |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. Darn, those under 30 white people didn't get the memo |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. And all the black people in Iowa. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I know right |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
82. lol - you're all alone out there on the outer fringe.. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #82 |
224. Hey, I see WHITE people in that crowd! |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #224 |
239. Hey, I see Hobbits in that crowd! |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. Hey, I know for a FACT |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. LOL! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. what a pathetic and low little fit you're having |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
237. Tell it like it is cali. I am going to have to go and take a shower now. |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
14. "Black people simply voting for the Black candidate is NOT a victory" |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. Ok but only if we don't count any woman who votes for Hillary |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
246. Women and white males haven't voted for "their" candidate at an 81% clip |
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stravu9 (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. it shows how divided among race lines the party is |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. LOL! |
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stravu9 (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. you say potato, I say racism! |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. So, you don't have a problem with a large majority of black people voting for one candidate |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
169. LOL! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. LMAO. 30-point blowout. SC is united--for Obama. |
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stravu9 (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. and when was the last time a Democratic Presidential candidate took the State? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. November, 2008. |
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stravu9 (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. good luck with that. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. Yeah, RIGHT. |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
118. 1976 |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #42 |
177. Would be interesting to know the voter turnout numbers Dems vs. repukes in SC. Anyone, anyone, |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. you have NO idea what each individual votes for - you speak for your self and yourself only |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. How about 50% of white youth? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well that is not what happened. . . |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. What are you doing in here interjecting facts!?!? |
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JustinL (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
155. self-delete |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
170. Thank you very much. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
23. Very true. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
24. Women voting for the woman |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Except in the narrow sense that if a large majority of women voted for |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
26. Deleted message |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. I love you, Journalist3072 |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. That's been the Clinton strategy for South Carolina, polarizing the population |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
129. Oboma played that role for SC. |
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MS Liberal (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
30. This was the worst thing for Black America |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Thank You,,, |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
119. whow--sorry it was a bad night for you. And it was about race. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
124. Hi |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. And whites/women simply voting for the white/female candidate |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Maybe they felt he was the best candidate, and it's |
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MS Liberal (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. The only time 90% of black people believe the same thing is when it is about race. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. 90% of black vote went to Gore. what are you talking about? nt |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. And to Kerry |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. ... |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Trust me....as an African-American, what happened in South Carolina has NOTHING to do with him being |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. then why did young white voters vote for him? why did he also win educated white voters |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. the ignorant masses have been all over Tom Joyner |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. Truth... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
95. You get this worked up over what some callers to a radio show said? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I get worked up over radio host lying to their callers |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
110. You listen to black radio. Are you a powerless, clueless idiot? |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #110 |
128. Yes, I listen to black radio, and I'm not a clueless idiot |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #74 |
136. Yep, and I'm now a sellout if I don't vote for him. |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
253. you are full of shit!! You are free to continue to worship the Clintons as long |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
171. That is just so not true. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
219. Are you saying that all of those African American in SC voted for BO simply because he was black. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
227. Your point seems to be that black people are incapable of thinking for themselves |
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psychmommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
257. tavis said that about all of the candidates. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Exactly |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
34. Except white people voted for him too |
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BringEmOn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
113. It doesn't appear that most AA voters rejected the racial polarization attempted by BOTH sides. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #113 |
126. NN Exit polls: Obama won across demographic lines |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #126 |
144. Obama was third among whites, won 81% of the black vote. Yeah, race didn't matter |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #144 |
175. You, sir |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
143. You folks can't tell the difference between 24% and 81%? |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. It is a Great victory for Obama |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Thank you! |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #86 |
139. sorry off-topic, Nubian? |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #139 |
154. It's a term of endearment. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
40. well you have the guts to say what I percieve as the truth as well |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
49. blame the white people for Obama , they voted for him in Iowa, NH, Nevada |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
145. At an 81% clip? |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
50. I feel the same... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
51. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Deleted message |
Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. OK, journalist3072, |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. That's better. Mammy is a very offensive term. The OP is only stating her opinion... |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
255. And make sure you put her in a rubber room because we don't |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. You need serious help. n/t |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
54. 1988: 7% of whites voted for Jesse Jackson / 2008: 23% of whites voted for Obama |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. It is only because Obama fits what they are willing to accept as black man... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You just don't know what to do anymore, do you? |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
89. If you knew me instead of spouting off. First i'm a black woman and I know and live this shit. |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. I agree with you here. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
133. You're right there |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
146. F it |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
56. HAHAHA! |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. What part of Africa? |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
140. Sudan nt |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
58. ... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. If 95% of black people vote for a white candidate, it's because that candidate |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. For real.. hell, appalling may not even be a strong enough word for it. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
147. Get a grip. Edwards and Hillary are about the same as Obama on black issues |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #147 |
200. Possibly Obama's sunny message of hope & unity, while being right on the issues? Just a guess. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
198. Disappointing and disconcerting, to be sure. The circular firing squad continues. nt |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
230. Bingo n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
62. Lets just move on and not make this into a race issue |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
85. right. Let Obama make it about race, enough to win SC, but we are now to move on |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Ya know, this trick ain't gonna work during Super Tuesday |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
64. Journalist! Thank you for telling it like it is. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
65. As a Black woman, I agree 100%. SC was a perfect storm due to the MSM blow ups |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
102. You weren't offended by any of the racist remarks made over the last 3 weeks by Hill's camp? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
76. How about white women voting for Hillary in NH? Was that a victory? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #76 |
148. What percentage of the white female vote did she win? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
77. I congratulate Barack for the win in SC, but we really need to wait for |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
81. If it gets them interested in politics ... |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
84. You are quite wrong about that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. That's right, nancyharris. And one any progressive should be able |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
258. Agreed |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
97. When will you apologize to the white supporters in SC who voted for Obama based on issues |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. And to the black voters for calling them mindless? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Hey, what's a little race baiting amongst DUers? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. This thread has 28 votes. n/t |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Hey, 28 DUers agree that winning the nomination at all costs is a good thing. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. ha!!! |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. riiiiiight |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #98 |
117. Black people have been called worse here this week |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
101. Many people in South Carolina across all racial labels and demographics voted for Obama |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #101 |
149. Obama: third among whites, wins by over 60% among blacks. Race didn't matter! |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
106. I think a lot of people are swept up in the "I'm going to vote for the first black /or female |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
107. and white people simply voting for another white reactionary is not a victory either. |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
108. huuhhh?? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
111. I agree. It's a sad time in America when people |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
114. White people voting for the white candidate is NOT a victory |
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mb7588a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
116. so... you know nothing about this process. |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
120. jornalist I respect your candor...very seldom is it apparent on the |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #120 |
125. nice post, very nice. |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
121. Clintons made this about race. Lets talk Iowa... shall we? |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
122. It's as much a victory as when white men vote for white men |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #122 |
131. No, silly Jane |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #122 |
150. White men aren't doing that. Edwards is tied nationally with the other two among white men |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #150 |
269. White men did that in SC |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
134. Yeah.. but women voting for a woman in NH 2 weeks ago was..?? NT |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #134 |
247. What percentage of the female vote did Hillary get in NH? |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
135. Record Voter Turnout in South Carolina......People are excited about Obama.....Thats the Victory |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
137. Deleted message |
angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. So true |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
141. My African-American co-worker thinks that |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #141 |
176. And I would agree with that assertion. I think whites see him as a non-threatening, safe black |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #176 |
202. You don't see this as an endorsement of his being "black enough"? As for Sharpton this is what I see |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
142. How about voting Obama for his IDEAS? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #142 |
152. The logic of the Hillarities |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #152 |
217. Amen to that. What a pity. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
151. Who said anything about "blind loyalty?" Only you |
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JustinL (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
156. what's happened in the past 4 years? |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
157. Um |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
158. I agree with you but I can't blame people who have |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #158 |
168. agreed. nt |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
159. Well Duh! |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
160. Accountability....does that exist in US govt. anymore? |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
161. I think the vast majority of the African American vote goes to the Democrat, period. |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:05 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. ... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
163. No, the black community moved away from blind loyalty today. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #163 |
203. That's how I read it. nt |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #163 |
261. so true |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
165. Good God, are you serious? |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
166. Barack if nothing else is saying no, don't divide 55 percent voted for him alll americans... |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
172. Black folks have cause for pride |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
178. Agree |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
183. This may be the worst post I have ever read on DU. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
184. I consider it a very real victory for Obama. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Excellent post and analysis. Thank you, I enjoyed reading that...n/t |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
186. The OP is absolutely right. It makes no more sense to vote for someone simply due to |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
188. Increasing Black voter turnout IS a victory |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
189. claifying your race does not absolve you from stupidity |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
190. African Americans are forming a voting bloc |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
191. Even though it was a great victory for Obama |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
192. Maybe black people - and white people - think Obama is the better candidate. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
193. Both you and Bill Clinton trying to "blame" Obama's victory in SC on race is despicable. |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
194. That a black and a female are running viably and strongly is something |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
195. I don't think it was the Obamas who made this about race as much as the Clintons did, & for that... |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
196. working as a teacher, an 11-year-old female black student told me she hates Ms. C. |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
199. whites voting for whites, women voting for women? men voting for men? young ppl for young ppl? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
201. You just insulted a hell of a lot of black Democrats in SC. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Yes, but it doesn't count unless a majority of white people agreed to it . . . |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. "taken for granted by whites in the party for much too long" |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #207 |
233. The party leadership has assumed since the early 60s |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
206. I don't know how anyone can assert that Black voters in SC did not vote on the issues. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #206 |
208. This New York Times article suggests that many S.C. voted Obama b/c he's black: |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. I find this tone offensive. |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #209 |
228. Just look at some of the postings on DU |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #228 |
271. Bravo to that! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #209 |
250. Neither have a majority among "their" group |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Thanks for the Link. I was listening to Black radio last wk: many callers said cause he was black- |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #208 |
223. Well, if the msm tells us that this is true, it most certainly must be!!! |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
211. I think I understand what you are saying. I agree 100 pct. Whoever it is that gets the |
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hasssan1 (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
212. YOU ARE 10000% WRONG |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
214. People were upset with Tavis because he didn't apply the same standard to HRC |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
220. Once again, I refer to my almost verbatim report on comments by Shelby Steele who |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
225. White people simply not voting for a White candidate is NOT a victory! |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
226. Who are the 51 people who quietly agree with you? |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. My exact thoughts. WTF? |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
229. I have to say that seeing this post kicked up is disappointing to say the least. It tells me that |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #229 |
232. But at the same time, I'm glad to give this more exposure. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. Never thought of that angle. I just had one of those, "Awha" moments |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
238. Means little... |
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7horses (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
240. You know what? |
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MissPuddy (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #240 |
248. Yes, Obama pushes his "black" side but not his "white" side.... |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #248 |
260. He uses pictures of his mother in campaign ad |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #248 |
262. How dare he act black! |
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MissPuddy (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
241. Obama puts on a dialect when speaking in the South.... |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #241 |
252. I don't understand why he and Hillary both do this. It doesn't look genuine at all. |
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MissPuddy (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #252 |
256. You are so right! Hillary puts on a Southern drawl too... |
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hasssan1 (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
244. I think you work for Romney or clinton campaign !!!! |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
249. How dare you accuse AA voters of not thinking for themselves. |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
251. Tavis Smiley has got it exactly right. Does the Obama camp get it? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. Tavis did dabble in politics when he was in California |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
266. On what basis are you saying that African Americans only vote for African Americans? /nt |
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