wndycty
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:29 PM
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Hillary got 55% in Michigan/ Barack got 55% in S.C. but Barack actually had opponents in SC. . . |
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. . .that is not a good sign for Hillary. Even uncommitted got 40% in MI, but Hillary only got 27% in SC. Maybe Florida might be something to look at after all.
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Bread and Circus
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:31 PM
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1. Interesting analysis but if anyone wants to seat MI's delegates they |
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better actually redo the vote.
I never got to vote for my guy. All I could do was check "uncommitted". It sucked.
Nice trick of Hillary to leave her name on the ballot. Nice trick indeed.
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:58 PM
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7. The other candidates removed their names, its a free country and they exercised that freedom |
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The Dem party had the opportunity to submit a bill in Michigan to require that their names remain on the ballot. Didn't do it. The candidates also had the option of submitting the necessary paperwork to become write in candidates. Didn't do that either.
Were you aware that it was the Republican in the Michigan legislature who submitted the bill to change the primary date?
Blaming one candidate or even one party for this fiasco is about as ignorant as the freepers blaming the Democrats for 911.
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Bread and Circus
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Sun Jan-27-08 12:33 AM
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10. you put so much spin in there your ball is in the gutter. |
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and if Hillary really wanted this to be fair from the beginning (which she didn't), she would have protested the situation all along (which she didn't).
This is a simple case of her grasping for power in a cynical ploy.
I reject the postics of cynicism.
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MichiganVote
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Sun Jan-27-08 09:38 AM
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11. IThese issues were in every major newspaper in Michigan. Read it yourself. |
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:31 PM
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2. And S.C. actually has delegates, which are most important. n/t |
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:40 PM
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3. "Uncommitted" was the only way for me to express my support for Edwards in the MI primary. |
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:41 PM
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4. No one has real opponents yet |
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this is the primary race.
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:53 PM
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5. Barak and Edwards supporters voted uncommitted and Hillary killed them both |
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Had they left their names on the ballot they would have been destroyed. Then they acted like there was an "anti-Hillary" vote with the uncommitted. In fact, what we really had was a pro-Obama and Edwards vote. And a pro-Hillary vote that was more then Edwards and Obama got together.
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Sat Jan-26-08 10:55 PM
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6. You are doing it wrong |
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Democratic turnout was low because voters knew their votes didn't count in the big election. Many Edwards and Obama voters could have voted for Clinton because they didn't care or have Hilllary as a number two choice.
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Sat Jan-26-08 11:15 PM
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We live in this forsaken state and if their names would have been on the ballot, she would have come in a distant and I do mean DISTANT 3rd. Most of the folks I talk to in this state (and it's quite a few as I travel a lot with my job) do not like her one iota.
There are a lot of ticked off people here right now, and if she pulls a fast one to get our delegates after we all had to vote uncommitted, she can go to hell in a handbasket - let me re phrase that is language she would understand, she can go to China on a slow boat....one way.
The primary was a travesty. I haven't lived in MI but for 10 years (and counting the days until I can leave!) and this state is so messed up with voting.
To vote, you have to declare your party. Now that in itself would be fine if I could just grab a ballot, go to my little closet and 'x' in who I want....but NO, not here in the fine state of Shitigan....you have to ASK the pollworker for what ballot you want. Since when is it their damn business what party I am????? Secret ballot my fat arse.
Uncommitted to Edwards......and again, if he and Obama would have been on the ballot, HRC would have been toast and her little political machine knew it and 'adjusted' the rules.
A politcal machine with lots to lose can be an ugly animal... and her machine has many tenacles.
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Sun Jan-27-08 02:55 PM
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12. I'd believe you if turnout had been higher. |
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I've never seen turnout that low in my precinct. The only ones who voted were the lockstep party faithful and those of us pissed off enough to send a message.
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Sat Jan-26-08 11:03 PM
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8. um uncommitted wasn't split up between two candidates nt |
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