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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:41 AM Original message |
the Obama "throw one minority under the bus to appeal to a bigoted majority" strategy |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you for your assuredly-genuine concern. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thank you for not caring about the GLBT community. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. if you really cared you condemn Hillary's pandering to same bigots |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Identify it please. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I'd like a link to where she shared her stage with an ex-gay homophobe |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Will Bill apologize for DOMA? Has Hillary decryed homophobia in African american churches? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I am not really interested in what Bill has to say. Hillary will repeal it. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. like I said, it's okay because she "only" appears at fundraisers held by bigots, puts their quotes |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Okay, so by your own admission she doesn't do anything that comes close |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. and by your own admission, she's guilty but you're happy to excuse it. Hypocrite. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Nope. I never got a link to any of your claims and have no reason to believe them. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Quite a few of us have, and it seems not to matter... |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Ask your candidate how she feels about DOMA |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. She's said she'd sign off on repealing it. So have Edwards and Obama. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. She disagrees with DOMA and would work to repeal it. |
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jackpan1260 (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. It's so nice that you and Hillary really care |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Hillary cares. She is the only candidate who has spoken about caring for GLBT youth. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Which is why she is in favor of gay marriage, right? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. She sees the issue of gay marriage |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Heh. States' Rights, eh? The same lovely dodge used by Ron Paul re: abortion. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. As a NY Senator |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Really? Prove it. Provide one link to where Hillary stands up for |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Article from during the NY gay-marriage push: "Clinton silent on same-sex marriage" |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. No silence whatsoever |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Um, since we're talking about whether she |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #47 |
63. She has stated quite clearly that she does not oppose Spitzer on this |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. How is "I'm not going to take a stand on this" not a dodge? You tell me. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. where does she say that? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Oh, wait, on which GLBT policy issue do Obama and Hillary differ? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Somethings go beyond "policy" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Yes. Bullshit faux concern. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. zero |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. "If you go the next step and say, 'But I want what is called marriage,' |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. That's a strategic point, and one many gays recognize as well. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So she's only for expedient civil rights? Nice dodge. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Not at all. She's not opposed to equality - she's talking process. And it's not |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Huh. So she's for the exact same thing Obama is, then. And dodges gay marriage each time. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. There's at least one difference: the statement about being opposed to same sex marriage |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. But she has been opposed to it in past, and now won't say either way. Strange to see |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Even if they are no different, some of Obama's activities diminishes him for me. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Well, certainly you're allowed to make your own decisions. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Exactly |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Hillary genuinely cares about my community and will make it a priority... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Which is why she's against gay marriage, right? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. She is not against gay marriage. She is personally for it, and believes it is a |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. She hasn't come down solidly yet this campaign. She dodges the question every time it comes up. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Look at the other four fingers pointing back at you & your candidate! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Um, yes. My point is that there is no difference between the two on LGBT policy. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. There's more to life than policy. Among them, the "bully pulpit" and |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. has her stand changed just recently? according |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. But it's okay with you Hillary appeals to same bigots cause she does it more quietly? |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
5. Your "convince people that Obama is a hatemonger" strategy |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Evidence? |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. If you ask me - all religious beliefs are BS |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
73. So it's OK to throw people under the bus? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
74. If the only way you can appeal to Christians is using "ex-gay" bigots, it's |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. But it worked really really well for them in SC, didn't it? Oh, wait. They got destroyed. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
71. And it might destroy them on Super Tuesday. Or not. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Obama is not a "hatemonger" |
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sunonmars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
9. wont work in a lot of other states |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. he saw the results of a September poll on the issue and ran with it... |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
19. Could you provide a little documentation there, friend? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I'm sure you are familiar with McClurkin and polls that show the feelings toward gays... |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
58. A succinct statement with quotes and analysis is always good |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I can give you a brief timeline of sorts... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
20. Edwards on Gay Marriage at Faith Forum |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
21. Are any of you Hillary Supporters actually in a HQ or phone bank actually helping her campaign? |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. wow @ you hillary supporters.. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Might be "Keyboard Kommandos",Friend |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
44. woah...if that isn't a bait and switch. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
46. K&R |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. since when has referring to somebody’s past admitted drug use |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. I have no idea what you're talking about. nt. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
72. I'm a Clinton supporter because I was disgusted by Obama. Not the reverse. |
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