"Ted Kennedy now believes that Hillary CANNOT win the GE"

[BluegrassDem]

That was said on CNN. Ted believes now that there is no way that Hillary can win the election, even if she wins the nomination, which is one of the reasons he's for Obama. Also, they said that Ted will make his feelings known to other stalwarts in the party and pressure them to support Obama for the reason that only he can win a GE.

[sunonmars]

1. Thats not his decision to make, thats our job as voters

shame on him for doing that, if it is his opinion, he has no right to take away the voters right , we decide, not him.

[Hippo_Tron]

12. How is he taking away your right to decide?

Ted Kennedy doesn't get to anoint Obama. You still get to vote. He is merely expressing his opinion.

[Andy823]

14. It's never about the voters

It's always what the big shots in the party want, and we get stuck with their candidate, not ours!

[kenfrequed]

30. Oh?

Well this is an interesting argument. Considering how little support there was from Hillary supporters for the inclusion of Kucinich in the debates. No, at that time the inevitability strategy was fine and friggin dandy and teh devil help you if you stood up agaisnt the media annointed candidates.

Honestly I really have so little interest in hearing hillary and Obama supporters whine about how either of them is having their candidates taken away or voters rights infringed, at least not until the General Election.

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. More important, it's not the corprat media's decision. But that doesn't stop them.

So why should it stop Sen. Kennedy? :shrug: All isn't fair I guess so long as it's your candidate who is being marginalized. :wow:

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Shhhh......now, now. The Democrats in Congress are the ones controlling this. Just leave it be.

Ted will handle it for us, He knows best.

[Tellurian]

56. Teddy doesn't need shame.. He needs his head examined!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4252731#4253940

[GoldieAZ49]

60. not exactly the voters

The super delegates make up 40% of the needed votes

If Ted pushes them to go with Obama he gets the nod

Ted saying this publicly also affects voters that don't do much candidate checking

[MichiganVote]

2. Said the past to the future

[Pyrzqxgl]

3. Has Teddy thought about John Edwards?

[jackson_dem]

9. He probably thinks Edwards is no longer viable

His comments certainly imply that.

[Missy M]

4. and he thinks Obama can...

that's pretty funny. The Repubs are just sitting back waiting for Obama to be the nominee. In fact I'll just bet they're salivating for Obama to be the nominee.

[Andy823]

19. I have to agree with you

Most republicans I talk to think Obama has no chance in the world of winning, and would rather see him than Hillary, who the also don't think can win, but they think Obama is a cake walk! I wonder if Kennedy actually said this, or it's the media once again putting words in his mouth?

[LisaL]

46. Exactly.

It's not like it would be all roses for Obama if he won the nomination.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. Obama will 'roast the GOP alive'

they don't know that yet. I guess they are kind of curious.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. He also believes Obama "opposed the war from the start" but that isn't true.

[Cooley Hurd]

31. Link to your assertion?

:shrug:

[Frances]

6. I know 2 people who are definitely voting for Obama

but they are doing it out of principle. Both hope Obama wins, but they don't think it's possible.

[sunonmars]

7. The last time Ted Kennedy interfered in a Pres Election ,look what the fuck happened

If thats his game, fuck him, he just lost total respect from me.

[Cooley Hurd]

27. Fuck Senator Kennedy?

Who the fuck ARE YOU to say anything about Senator Kennedy?:thumbsdown:

[sunonmars]

57. who the fuck are you to say i cant, if you can attack Bill i can slam Kennedy

[Cooley Hurd]

59. I never attacked President Clinton...

:eyes:

[sunonmars]

63. sorry i didnt mean you did, but this board is full of Billbashing

[JuniperLea]

8. I used to really like ol' Ted...

I think he's gotten short on IQ whilst growing long in the tooth.

[NastyRiffraff]

10. What? I want to see a direct quote on that

I've always admired Ted Kennedy, and I can't IMAGINE he'd throw ANY Democratic candidate under the bus like that, giving fodder to the Republicans if that candidate, whoever it may be, wins the nomination. That goes far beyond an endorsement. You normally hear things like "X Candidate stands the best chance against the Republicans," not not that he or she CANNOT win the election. I'm withholding other comment until I see this from Kennedy himself, not what CNN (we're right 50% of the time!) says.

[Tulkas]

24. I saw it happen, John King said it to Jack Cafferty,,,, as hear say

He said something to the effect ...... (not a direct quote)....


I have talked to some friends in Mass. and they said Ted Kennedy decided to endorse Obama instead of staying neutral because he thinks Clinton can't win. (in the general was the implication)

Again this is Wolf's stand in, passing along hear say from people he calls his friends.


Not exactly a solid statement by any means

[sfam]

11. Teddy said this or CNN folk said that he said that?

Just wondering - was this an interview or was this a talking head saying, "I heard it through the grapevine that..."

[BluegrassDem]

16. It was one of the talking heads on there that said it

They said that their 'sources told them that Teddy believes that Hillary can't win the GE.' That is no direct quote from Ted, but sources close to him say that he believes that.

[sfam]

25. So we're taking a "talking head's" word on this?

I think Ted is perhaps a bit too savvy to have this come out the day of his endorsement. I'm guessing its a mischaracterization at best.

[joshcryer]

13. Fuck Ted Kennedy.

Seriously. Fuck that.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. You're at the wrong board...

...with such talk.:thumbsdown:

[City Lights]

39. What a disgusting thing to say. eom

[sunonmars]

15. I hope Hillary asks CNN for a retraction and clarification

thats a serious slant on her.

I bet she discusses that with Ted herself.

[jillan]

17. When I hear comments like these, I can't help but wonder what he is going to say to her if she wins.

Should be pretty interesting . . .

[sniffa]

18. I think that's true as well.

I think the only way Hillary can win, is if she matches up with Mitt Romney, based on the likability factor (Romney may be the most unlikable candidate, at least in his own party). And that's ignoring any sort of 3rd parties that may yet enter the race.

[Nimrod2005]

20. I do too

[Barack_America]

21. He's right, she can't. Any hope she had of being able to win...

...a general election, was lost when Bill injected himself into the race.

Now she has "Hillary hate" and Bill's failed policies (such as NAFTA) to run against.

[NastyRiffraff]

26. Even if he IS right..

and I'm not saying he is, a big Dem never EVER says such a thing about a Democratic candidate. What if she wins the nomination?

[Barack_America]

41. I don't believe he was directly quoted as saying this....

I think that pundits are assuming that his endorsement of Obama must mean this.

I've been looking for a direct quote and I can't find one.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

22. And Kerry and Gore won in landslides.

k Ted.

[Cooley Hurd]

29. They both won - not in landslides, BUT they both won.

:eyes:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

36. Then why is Bushitler giving President Kerry's SOTU tonight?

We need a fighter.

[Cooley Hurd]

52. You're at the wrong website if you believe otherwise...

:eyes:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

55. Bush stole it sure.

Kerry stopped fighting months before the election.

[LisaL]

45. They won? Then why is Bush giving state of the union address

today?
LOL.

[Beacool]

23. Great, if Hillary wins the nomination this will do wonders

for the Democrats in the general election!!!

Shut your trap Teddy, you lost your moral compass the day that your negligence killed a girl. How dare you sit in judgment of Bill and Hillary Clinton!!!

Bill was the only Democrat to be reelected since FDR, he must have been doing something right and deserves more respect!!! Furthermore, my admiration for Bill has grown since I've seen how his foundation has positively affected thousands of lives throughout the world, but primordially in Africa (yeah, he's such a racist).

Shame on you Teddy!!!!!!

:grr:

[JVS]

35. you forgot about truman and lbj

[Beacool]

43. Nope, I didn't forget them.

Harry Truman was FDR's vice president from January 1945 until that April when FDR died. He ran on his own only once. LBJ became president upon JFK's death in 1963 and chose not to run for reelection due to the Vietnam war.

Bill Clinton is the only president to have been reelected twice since Roosevelt.

[JVS]

48. Truman was re-elected in 1948. LBJ was re-elected in 1964 and didn't run for 1968

Speaking of LBJ, JFK would have been a sure shot for re-election in 1964

[Beacool]

51. They were elected only ONCE as president.

The previous election they both ran as vice president in someone else's ticket. Get it? They each had the right to serve the remainder of their predecessor's term and then to run TWICE on their own. Both Truman and LBJ only ran ONCE.

[mentalsolstice]

32. Who did he think would win in 1980?

That's all I have to say about that.

[Cooley Hurd]

33. 28 years ago?

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

62. Kennedy vs. incumbent President Carter, get it?

[anamandujano]

37. Ha ha, my first thought. /nt

.

[BootinUp]

34. I just said that in a PM to a friend.

I think a lot of long time Dems and Dem activists have decided to support Obama for exactly that reason.

They are wrong though. :)

[ErnestoG]

38. I agree with Ted on that one.

I've said for a long time that if HRC is our nominee, we can look forward to another 4 years of a GOP White House.

By the way, I had this one right before. In 2004.

[LisaL]

44. And Kerry was supposed to be electable.

And look how well that turned out.
Unless he got a crystal ball, how does Kennedy know if Hillary can or can not win GE, and why does he think Obama is more electable than Hillary anyway?

[cooolandrew]

47. A section of theDemocartic base will probably cross over to republicans if she gets it, just a fact.

[LisaL]

50. And everyone is gonna vote for Obama?

Right.

[BootinUp]

53. Yeah ok.

I better support Obama then. lol.

[Tellurian]

54. That is total bunk..

I just watched Teddy's speech on msn and it was Caroline that convinced him to support Obama and it was her "kids" that convinced her..So, what does that tell you? Teddy hasn't done his homework and has made a major error.

It's a lengthy video, so grab a cocktail or a cuppa coffee.. Well worth watching and putting his decision into the proper perspective. He was pushed into the endorsement by Caroline and her kids pushed her! Which is plain NUTS!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22873162/

He also said, he would support "whoever" the Dem Nominee is...and had kind words for Hillary and John Edwards..

[GoldieAZ49]

61. It wasn't Caroline, it was Bill

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1069441

Ted boiling over Bubba

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s endorsement of presidential hopeful Illinois Sen. Barack Obama reportedly came after mounting anger toward the Clintons over the racial overtones of campaign attacks against Obama.

Quoting anonymous sources, both the Washington Post and New York Times reported that Kennedy was frustrated with attacks on Obama by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, which he thought to be misleading. Sources confirmed Kennedy expressed his angst to Bill Clinton directly.

According to the Post, the senior senator’s frustration boiled over Saturday when the former president sought to downplay Obama’s South Carolina win by comparing him to the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who won the Palmetto State in his long-shot 1984 and 1988 campaigns.

[joeprogressive]

58. Every smart Democrat is saying that n/t