Why are the people who brought us Bush pushing Obama? Obama supporters - please answer me

[robbedvoter]

I am not in any way inferring Obama is Bush, or not a democrat , nor do I even think he cannot win in GE. But that aside, why is Rush praising him?
Last night I saw Dorris Kearn Goodwin ("It's just more fun to attack Gore") saying that she's been in Iraq and those soldiers don't care much about war (???) but all they want is to vote for Obama. All the panel - that usually falls over themselves to praise Bush were now gushing over Obama - MSNBC is just more strident - but it's all over the place.
And since a subthread hijacked the thread - no, this is not about Doris.
It's about Rush and his friends.
And looking back to 2000, during the primaries, Bush hasn't had the tenth od this adoration. Not even many months after the coup - I think what I see now on TV is comparable to post 9.11 Bush size worship
Obama supporters never answered me - why are all Gore, Kerry tormentors in love with Obama? I'd appreciate honest reflection/answers rather than flame war.
And to avoid the "but the handshake..." arguments, here are coverage stats:



Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

The other question - how long do you think they'll go on like this?

[ursi]

1. why did so many people show up in SC for Obama? are you thinking they support Bush?

[robbedvoter]

10. A few of them did (Obama would have won anyway) but GOP-ers from Dorchester

voted - more of them in the Dem primaries than theirs.
But to your main question - many of them saw on the teevee that Clinton- bad, Obama good. After all - they even put the question in the exit poll, didn't they?

[flpoljunkie]

66. Republicans are voting for Obama because they are tired of what their party has become and Obama

gives them hope that this country can unite and create a working majority for much needed changes in this country. Isn't this what we want--a candidate who can bring people into our party rather than one who will unite the other party? Ted Kennedy sees this chance, and that is why he endorsed Barack Obama.

By the way, do you have a link for those statistics, and can you can not Craig Crawford working his damndest to promote the Clintons and diminish Obama? The reporters who have been to Obama's rallies are human, and cannot help but to be impressed by the energy and enthusiasm they see with their own eyes.

[robbedvoter]

96. The question was about the media - not the voters. Also not about Ted Kennedy, sorry.

[cali]

2. Doris Kearns Goodwin has never fallen all over herself praising

bush. And your question is easy to answer: the people who encouraged Obama to run are people like Kerry, Kennedy and Daschle.

[jackson_dem]

6. Kerry and Daschle. There are two anti-establishment folks!

[cali]

11. Frankly, I'd love to see the liberal establisment as represented

by Kennedy, Kerry and Leahy, back in favor with the public and back to having considerable influence on policy in D.C. Your posts re this are just sadly desperate and inane. Want to go through all of JE's blue dog endorsements?

[neutron]

91. They CLEARLY don't want our Strongest Candidate

[jackson_dem]

113. Maybe you should look at St. Kerry's voting record

Voted for the IWR, then changed his mind.
Voted for the bankruptcy bill, then changed his mind.
Voted for No Child Left Behind, then changed his mind.
Voted for the Patriot Act, then changed his mind.
Voted for normalize trade with China, then changed his mind.

These are the very (pre-Obama) votes Obamites used to swiftboat Edwards as a fraud and attack Hillary. What hypocrites. They worship a guy who voted just like them on each of these carefully flyspecked bills that Obama didn't vote for. Leahy? He voted with Edwards and Hillary on four of the five. Kennedy? Three of the five, including one he wrote.

Of course Obamites never tell the truth about those votes. They never list the roll call. They never tell us who voted with "DINO" Edwards and Hillary. They never tell us the context, legislative history, arguments pro and con. All of the bills above passing with overwhelming Democratic support (99% in the case of the Patriot Act and 47-2 among Democrats for No Child).

[karynnj]

88. Kerry has more anti-establishment credentials than Edwards

Kerry fought Nixon in the 1970s.

Kerry fought Reagan and exposed the gun and drug running to support the Contras, when many Democrats - especially the Southern one backed legally helping the Contras - including Gore and the Clintons. (I would guess that if he were political there is a chance Edwards did too - do we know if he voted against Reagan both times?)

Kerry fought the entire establishment on BCCI.

The surprise is that he had enough support after fighting these three fights - any of which could have derailed forever a political career - he still was able to win the 2004 nomination.

In 2005, the establishment went out of their way to declare that he was not a party leader - though he is because he was chosen by the people. But, he stood against a leadership unwilling to call for a real policy change in Iraq when he and Feingold brought Kerry/Feingold to the floor. With Kennedy, he led against the establishment on Alito.

Edwards does not have a fraction of the activist roots that Kerry has.

[neutron]

93. Kerry is full of Spite and Jealousy

blaming Edwards for his botched campaign.
It would kill him to see HRC in the position that he wanted so badly.

[jackson_dem]

114. I know. Look at how much the establishment fought against Kerry's presidential campaign in 03-04'

It isn't as if the establishment rallied around him. :sarcasm:

[robbedvoter]

15. How about Rush? Hitchens? Peggy Noonan (OK, she loves Reagan) ALL of them

Doris's presence just gave me deja vu to 2000 - she was certainly not doing Gore any favors - helped Bush's installation as much as the rest of them. But she is hardly the standard bearers. "But what will we tell the children" Bennet, "he is so manly on that ship" Tweety - do I really need to list them all to make the point?

[cali]

37. As I said, I don't do the TV watching so many here do.

In fact, I don't do any, but admiring Obama's speeches is hardly an endorsement. Aside from that, I'd guess that many of those you name are simply dyed in the wool Clinton haters and that's why they're rhetoric about Obama is flattering.

And bullshit about Doris. She certainly did not help bush's installation. What a load of crap.

[AndyTiedye]

3. how long will the positive press last?

Until the convention

[robbedvoter]

16. You're optimistic. Hint: Kerry had about 2 months. Dean had 2-4 months before that

[Apollo11]

4. Obama has a talent for making people feel positive about the future.

It's a rare talent. John F Kennedy had it back in 1960. Bill Clinton had it in 1992. Barack Obama has it in 2008.

If we are smart, we will make full use of Obama's talent by choosing him as our nominee for President.

If we are dumb, we will tell ourselves that Obama is not trustworthy just because a couple of right-wing blowhards said something nice about him on TV.

www.barackobama.com B-)

[robbedvoter]

26. So, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Bennett, Peggy Noonan - want a future where Obama is POTUS?

Mind you, it's not your support I am questioning here. It's theirs. Why do they love him so much?

[Apollo11]

29. Maybe they are trying to mess with your mind?

Please - don't tell me it's working! ;-)

[denem]

79. My answerr is they hate Clinton

It's not on policy or even electability, they hyave vilified the Clintons for so long as everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party, it has become pathological.

[robbedvoter]

85. And I think you are right - but only in part. There's a bigger agenda at work

[denem]

100. They seem to hate McCain just as much

and that's really interesting because he is their most electable candidate.

[readmoreoften]

112. Absolutely there is.

Largely, Obama is the most conservative candidate in the bunch. He wants to increase military spending and, despite his campaign platform, has left the door open to critiques of abortion and LGBT rights. He spoke on expanding American military influence around the globe (but to 'do good'--expect action on Darfur, complete with Halliburton's help and Darfur's first McDonald's) and protecting America's "vital assets" abroad (Halliburton, McDonalds, oil, etc.)
With all his talk on faith, you can expect Obama to just adore faith-based funding...which will continue to deplete our resources, sending our taxes to megachurches who often predicate help for the poor and desperate with anti-gay and pro-life stances.

Why wouldn't they love him? He's the death knell in the Democratic party all under the guise of an irrational, transcendental "hope" and "good feeling" that will keep the sheep enthralled for half a decade at least. Imagine all the bullshit they can pull behind the scenes under the auspices of such a "Democratic win."

Imagine how far to the right they'll get to go with a Democrat that's one steps to the left of neoconservative. All that will be left is Faith-Based, Moderate Republican and Extreme Right. Of course, by 2016, once Obama is full representative of the "left wing" of American politics, we'll have to choose a candidate subtly to the right as not to appear "extremist" in order that the "center holds." By then Bloomberg or someone Bloombergesque (a little more religious maybe) will be running as a Democrat against Duncan Hunter. And we'll consider ourselves lucky when "our candidate" Bloomberg wins...

Why not just admit that there are no parties or ideas or positions. There is only the rule of the wealthy over the poor through a stream of unending, mesmerizing digital images and gadgets and cliches.

[H2O Man]

5. Doris Kearns Goodwin ......

hardly a republican. I assume you are unfamiliar with you.

[cali]

7. Good morning

she certainly isn't. It's natural enough, I suppose that she'd be supporting Obama as she and Dick Goodwin are very close to the Kennedys.

[H2O Man]

13. Good morning.

The two of them have long and interesting connections to the JFK-LBJ era. While I do not always agree with Doris's opinion, I think she is one of the better historians of our time. Her books are always fun reads.

[cali]

17. She is fun to read- and to talk to

I knew her many moons ago quite well. I worked for Dick Goodwin in Cambridge as an au pair for his only son when he and Doris were seeing each other, before they married.

[H2O Man]

21. Interesting.

I suppose that attempts to paint Doris as a republican operative aren't likely to fool you, eh?

I'm thinking about doing an essay on Ted's run against Carter in the '80 primary. It seems to be an area where those who seek to manipulate emotions with misinformation are heading.

[cali]

23. After spending over a year in close quarters with her

even though it was many years ago, I'm quite clear that Doris is anything but a republican.

Please do write an essay on Ted's run. I know I could use an education on it.

[karynnj]

41. I agree with Cali that that would be great as it is as you say being distorted.

Carter's approval rating was extremely low before Kennedy challenged.

[robbedvoter]

18. From the 2000 election - hardly a friend of the democrats. Anyway, she merely

started my thought process on this - because of her "it's fun to attack Gore" remark.
The list is more interesting. So, how about Rush?

[H2O Man]

28. Well, I think

that context for her comment might be useful. The truth is that she is from a large an important section of the democratic party, the "liberal wing." And a lot of the liberal wing felt that Al Gore had moved away from them in 2000, because of things including his choice for VP.

I can honestly say that I've never watched Rush -- the clips of his nonsense that have been on the news from time to time are more than enough. His opinion is of no significance to me.

[robbedvoter]

30. I know that YOU make up your own mind. But media coverage sways people

And I am asking Obama supporters how do they explain all the love coming from THESE people?

[H2O Man]

42. Well Doris is

someone who has been, without any question, an old-school democratic liberal for all of her adult life. Thus, it would seem obvious that her support for any democratic candidate would be due to her viewing that candidate as advocating positions that are similar to those she always has.

The fellow Rush is a snake, and as such will always take positions to advance his snake agenda. His opinion should be of no significance to democrats. No matter if he said he likes Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, or former Senator John Edwards, he is a snake who only seeks to spead his poison.

Doris Kearns Goodwin's opinion is worthy of discussion, no matter if one agrees with her or not. Rush's opinion is not worthy of our consideration.

[cali]

32. Look, Doris is a dedicated liberal. period.

I have no idea about her Gore comment. I suspect that context would be useful.

As for Rush, I listened to him once over a decade ago, and that's it. I don't have TV and I don't listen to talk radio or read the trash that so many others do, so I'm not the best person to ask about this garbage.

[robbedvoter]

75. I have corrected the mistatement on Doris.#67 There's Rush , and Peggy, and Bennet and

Schneider, and Hitchens, and Russert.....

[NashVegas]

53. I Thought It Was Margaret Carlson Who Said That

In an appearance on Imus.

[robbedvoter]

57. Fine. DORIS IS GOD! Now how about Rush, Russert, Bennet, Noonan, Schneider?

[jackson_dem]

8. Almost three years ago he was a nobody nationally

Has anyone risen this quickly to such heights?

[cali]

12. Sure: an obscure little president- A. Lincoln.

[robbedvoter]

50. Funny you should come up with a Republican

I was hinting at election rules for Democrats however. democrats and media.

[cali]

56. A republican? That's how you dismiss Lincoln? wow. sad.

[robbedvoter]

59. I do not dismiss Lincoln. Just trying to keep to the subject matter: Media and democrats

Lincoln was great. Doris is the best thing since sliced bread.
Now can you answer the question?

[KoKo]

92. OMG...now that's a stretch.....n/t

[jackson_dem]

115. The one example is a top lawyer for the railroad industry from 148 years ago?

[rox63]

9. Umm, they aren't - what planet are you getting your news broadcasts from? n/t

[robbedvoter]

20. MSNBC, PBS - last night. Ad I see the sources you guys post here - as I don't

usually watch much teevee. It's you guys who inform me of the press coverage.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. Because Republicans hate the Clintons?

Did you live through the 90s?

[robbedvoter]

22. I did - and this is a partially good answer. Is this all? Were they in the past AS MUCH

invested in our primary? Thy always manipulated us - but to this extent?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

55. The parties always try to manipulate the others' primaries.

If it seems like the Republicans are particularly vicious towards Clinton, it's mainly because they expect their candidate to lose to whoever we nominate, and because the thought of another Clinton presidency - especially a Hillary Clinton presidency is Kryptonite to Republicans. It would be like a Jeb presidency for us. Yes, Republicans really do hate the Clintons *that* much.

[robbedvoter]

61. "The parties"???Do democrats have a hand in THEIRS? EVER? In this century?

I'll have to note this one. "They all do it" . New one, thanks.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

62. What do you make of the various people on our side of the aisle...

...pushing for Mitt this time around?

[robbedvoter]

71. Well, I think you are on to something as to the motivation. The difference is

if we were willing to go that far manipulating their primary (which I doubt), we'd still couldn't do it as the media is not exactly at our disposal (at least in my view of reality).
But yours is the valid point - Democrats think Mitt is the easiest to beat. I personally think the GOP-ers are all equally nuts and poor candidates - but come GE, any of them would be beatified - as the MSM will have a new "epiphany".

[sendero]

19. He's not much..

.. but he's infinitely preferable to HRC.

[robbedvoter]

24. To you. But why to the corporate media? GOP pundits? That's my question.

[sendero]

33. Simple..

.... "inevitable" candidate gets knocked off her perch.
It's a good story.

[robbedvoter]

52. "good story". Noonan, Rush, Scneider, Bennett, Russert are after the "good story"

Like the journalists they all are. Thanks
I got so far:
"impressed"
"kiss ass of the future president"
"they just became human, want to atone for the past"
"Doris is a liberal"
Thanks.

[fasttense]

25. I went to an Edwards campaign rally yesterday.

As Edwards was leaving, my husband asked him "Will you make a promise not to pardon bush?" Edwards immediately said yes, no hesitation, no quibbling.

Would Obama do the same thing? If you are planning on attending a rally with Obama, (or Clinton) would you please ask them?

Obama touts the beauty of being bipartisan. He wants everyone to get along. If this weak-kneed Congress does hold the bush accountable for his criminal acts, I wonder if Obama would pardon him.

Obama wants to get along and bring the country together. I suspect republicans think the best way for him to do that is to allow the bushes to quietly slither out of the WH dragging the billions they stole, ignoring the dead bodies they piled up, and betting on the next guy to let them off the hook.

This is why so many republicans are praising Obama. They think he will forgive and forget.

I just can't get the image of that 12 year old Iraqi boy out of my mind. He was being held as a prisoner at Abu Ghraib and was raped repeatedly while his screams were recorded and eventually shown to some in Congress (several Congressmen spoked about how harrowing those videos were). Would that boy want us to forgive and forget?????

[robbedvoter]

27. "Maybe they've seen the light" - famous last words from Dean supporters answering

me the very same question in 2004
(and mind you, Dean had not had the tenth of what Obama has now.)

[my3boyz]

34. Well, I have heard the opposite...

my husband is active duty military. He is in special warfare so the guys are really gung-ho military. Most of them were pro-Republican and would listen to Rush Limbaugh all day and things like that. Now, they don't do it anymore. Anyway, they HATE HATE HATE Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!! The night of the Iowa caucuses he spoke to one of his co-workers and he said that the co-worker told him that he was staying up to make sure Hillary did not win the Iowa caucuses. LOL Anyway, he said all of them seem neutral on Obama. He said they said they would prefer Obama over her. Don't get me wrong...there are still some hard-core Republicans there but it is not like it used to be. My uncle was in the Air Force for 26 years (and now he teaches ROTC). Anyway, he was pro-REpublican his entire life. He voted for Bush. Now he keeps going on and on about how Bush ruined the country. I wonder how he will vote this year...........

[robbedvoter]

36. OK, but I was asking about Corporate media - and Rush, Hitchens, Sullivan, Paglia

not the people who listen to them. What makes THEM love Obama? In your opinion.

[thoughtcrime1984]

31. Maybe they want to kiss the butt of the next President

;)

[robbedvoter]

35. OK, I haven't seen this one in 2004 - I'll remember that. But why Obama more than Bush?

Because they sure weren't giving W THAT much help in 2000 - and he certainly needed it more.

[thoughtcrime1984]

40. What would you like the answer to be?

That he's a stealth Repub? That he'll be the easiest to beat in the GE? Maybe they just dislike the Clintons? I don't know, and don't really care what those clowns say about our candidates.

[robbedvoter]

46. I am looking for your insight here.

I already said in the OP that I don't have suspicions about Obama not being a democrat, nor do I believe he cannot win. To the rest of us is obvious. I want to know if you can see.

[karynnj]

38. Goodwin is more Democrat than Republican

I never heard the Gore quote and wonder about the context. I have heard her speak of Kerry, who is often treated as Gore was in 2000. One I can remember is her sadly saying that for all his brilliance, he had been unable to connect. I never thought of her as hostile to Senator Kerry - and I think you know I am one who has been overly sensitive in that regard. Was the Gore comment in that vein - repeating the media talking point ignoring that had the media focused on the many positive sides of either THEY would have created that connection? ie Was the statement said as commentary on the media? She was a biographer and friend of LBJ and I think lives in liberal Massachusetts.

Do you have a link to those favorable/unfavorable numbers? They are great if real - even for HRC. McCain is unbelievably low and one thhreat he always had was that it was thought he could win independents. I wonder why Romney and Edwards aren't included.

[robbedvoter]

44. FORGET DORIS ALREADY! Noonan, Rush, Tweety, Hitchens, Sullivan, Bennet, Russert

Schneider !Talk about straw men!
Fine, Doris Kearns Goodman is a true progressive - for the sake of this discussion - I'll stipulate this. How about the rest of the corporate media?
remember the days DU was saying MSGOP?

[karynnj]

83. ok - I do think you have a strange definition of support

if you think that Rush is supporting Obama - he isn't. Sullivan is weird a gay, Catholic, British, conservative, where each quifier is there because they are needed to explain him - he finally picked Kerry over Bush in 2004. His seeing good in Obama is interesting - as is the endorsement of so many red state Democrats.

Tweety changes from day to day - and the one I have never seen him really dislike is McCain. Russert likes showing that Russert is the smartest - I bet in his heart of heart, his choice is ...Russert.

[robbedvoter]

87. I didn't want to use more inflamatory words like "carrying water". Is "help"

more appropriate? because they are advancing Obama's official strategy: gain sympathy by appearing Clinton's victim as outlined by his campaign:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/obama_and_clinton_to_clintons.php

The corporate media for all intents and purposes, is acting as Obama surrogates, pushing his strategy. They are in fact - promoting him - all of them.

Are they actually supporting him? That really is the heart of my question.

[A wise Man]

39. I'll tell you why

They are pushing Obama because he is the most likely not to beat any of the republicans running. Hillary or Edwards can beat them but not Obama. This is still the United States of America, one of the most racist country on earth. If Obama gets the nomination, its a guarantee that the republicans will be back in the Whitehouse. Remember Gore and Kerry? If they couldn't beat that cheating, lying party what makes you think Obama can do what two qualified candidates couldn't.

[robbedvoter]

43. In other words, he is their designated loser - they want us to vote THEIR pick.

That;s the answer I was after. Just for the record - are you an Obama supporter?
I am just trying to see if they have insight - the ones I expected it from are debated Doris Kearn for some reason

[A wise Man]

47. I like all three candidates

But i look at how the republicans work. By any means necessary, they will try and do anything to win. Reason is anyone in their right mind wouldn't vote for them anyway. I want this country fixed after seven years of this monster in the Whitehouse now. We have to get as many republicans out of this government as possible, and try to set this country back to the United States I grew up in before Bush was selected to ruin this country.

[robbedvoter]

49. Thanks. I also think they'd be all a cosmic size improvement over W and that they'd

all win a clean election. I wanted to see if any of the Obama supporters had the insight/honesty to answer this.

[A wise Man]

51. Many will not answer that question nor comment on it

for fear that it may appear racist. I am Black, but I know that this isn't the time to just jump in the pool without checking to see if there's water in it. Get the country right first, then Obama can run. He's young and has plenty of time.

[robbedvoter]

54. It's interesting that you think everyone is now on their guard about this.

And it's true, but not on this particular question, not his supporters.

[A wise Man]

58. I think his message is positive, very positive

But I can't take the chance on giving the Whitehouse back to these republicans. They know that they can't beat Hillary nor Edwards, but they know that they can beat Obama because it will bring out every conferderate loving hateful idiots out to vote against him. Now that's the real race card.

[cali]

60. bwahahaha. no wonder you've been so frustrated in this thread.

It was a completely dishonest setup. how unsurprising. nice to see you admit it, as you finally get the only answer that's acceptable to you.
:rofl:

[robbedvoter]

63. No dishonest set up - I want to see if you are aware of what's obvious to everyone else.

There was no set-up from me. A straight question about your opinions - that got me Doris, epiphany, journalism, impressed, kiss ass of next president.
Nobody thinks for a second that
IT'S THE CORPORATE MEDIA SETTING OBAMA/ALL OF US UP - not me.
I am just a powerless observer in this.
And not really frustrated - except by the strawman. I fully expected that you would not come up and say it. Actually, I kinda thought YOU might.

[cali]

64. Obvious to YOU, is not the same thing as reality

recognizing that one's opinion is only that is a vital part of being a good observer.

[robbedvoter]

69. No doubt about it. We have different perceptions of the reality - that much is clear.

[pgh_dem]

82. I'm glad you finally find the absolute truth in one response.

The other responses that you didn't agree with were clearly not the truth, which is why you didn't agree with them.

Even after you had to change your question repeatedly because you ascribed quotes to the wrong people in setting up your OP, you were undeterred in your search for the truth you were looking for, and finally found in a single poster.

Like Diogenes, you finally found that honest man who knew Your True Answer.

The good news is that Your True Question (now that it's been fixed) holds the secret weapon in the general election. You state that Sen Obama can win the GE (maybe more accurate to say that you didn't suggest he could not win). Which means that even accepting Your True Answer that Rush Limbaugh and the other people you actually meant to include in your list *believe* that they can beat Obama, but they can't (or won't not not beat him).

Which (when you do the algebra, cancelling out the negative implications) boils down to:
Who cares what Rush et al believe? Their motivations are irrelevant because even the most sinister reading of their praise of Sen Obama is based on the false premise that Sen Obama is a weak candidate against the GOP.

Groovy?

[robbedvoter]

89. Who cares what Rush & al believe? I am not per se - but are you saying, they

are not manipulating perception?
Didn't they keep Bush in high approval numbers for years? Didn't they help him get enough votes in both selections - so they can hang a Diebold on our side's votes?
Is the corporate media that irrelevant? Then how about that support for war? I remember a few DU-ers falling for it. How about "rallying behind the preznit" after 9.11? wasn't that a media creation?

[LibDemAlways]

73. I agree. The whores have taken stock of the situation and

know full well that Obama's race would be a huge detriment in the fall. Everyone who pretends otherwise is naive.

[robbedvoter]

76. Just for the record - are you an Obama supporter or not? Just trying to gauge

the awareness amongst his supporters - it's the reason I ask

[LibDemAlways]

78. I'm supporting Edwards for now. I'll vote for the nominee.

I'm also a realist. Obama at the top of the Dem ticket, particularly running against McCain, is a disaster in the making for the Dems.

[robbedvoter]

98. Thanks. So far, no Obama supporter thinks there's anything strange in the fact

the practically THE ENTIRE CORPORATE MEDIA -is pushing hard for their candidate, Some don't even see it happening.

[robbedvoter]

99. Thanks. So far, no Obama supporter thinks there's anything strange in the fact

the practically THE ENTIRE CORPORATE MEDIA -is pushing hard for their candidate, Some don't even see it happening.

[More Than A Feeling]

45. I'm no Obama supporter, but I haven't seen these yet:

maybe, just maybe, those GOPbots are human after all. Maybe even they get tired of feasting on the flesh of the living and sustaining their unholy existence with the pure blood of the innocent. Maybe, like with the Grinch, a kind word backed with intense charisma can grow their hearts, or at least cause their hearts to exist for a nanosecond before they return to the negative zone. Maybe they are just as amazed at Obama as so many others, and just aren't thinking clearly.

[robbedvoter]

48. "amazed at Obama" - yup. This harkens back to "They've seen the light"

And you actually believe this scenario is in any way realistic?
Remembering these past 8 years, and what they did - you think they had a collective epiphany and they ALL became good people? Rush, Hitchens, Bennet, Schneider,Noonan - these people? I just want this on the record - for my personal narrative about this.

[workinclasszero]

65. You Listen To Rush Because...

??????

:puke:

Maybe hes trying to sabotage the candidate he and other reich wing fascists fear the most?

The one that can cause a massive turning away from the rethug's politics of fear and class warfare??

The candidate that will send the republicans into the political wilderness for the next 25 or 30 years??

Thats right...OBAMA!!!

Don't let Rush cloud your mind, please!:scared:

[robbedvoter]

68. I do not listen to Rush. I read DU. It has been reported here that he's been praising

Obama daily - for weeks in a row. It's so far the one RW source you guys didn't drag here - unless you consider the repudiation of Nader - which I did appreciate.

[robbedvoter]

67. Some factual corrections to the OP: - too late to edit

It wasn't Doris saying "fun to attack Gore" but Margaret Carlson
It wasn't Doris spouting the inane things about soldiers not caring about the "war issue", just loving Obama - but Martha Radditz - the one who has been on Maher show too. So, my apologies to Doris - but this doesn't change my question. Why are the Bushies pushing Obama?

[RogueTrooper]

70. "the people who brought us Bush"

Are you taking about the US Supreme Court robbedvoter?

:evilgrin:

[robbedvoter]

72. Not specifically , no. While we all know the elections were stolen - both of them

we would be remiss to discount the role of the media in garnering Bush whatever votes he actually got (besides the diebolded ones that is).
We all know how thet sat on damaging stories in 2004 and what they did to both Gore and Kerry. And part of my point here was - do Obama supporters think that, should he become the nominee, he would be treated differently than kerry or Gore - and if so, why?

[RogueTrooper]

121. I would guess some Obama supporters

do think that he will be treated differently by the traditional media. Just as there were Gore supporters who imagined he would be treated differently to Clinton and Kerry supporters believed that he, courtesy of his valiant service in Vietnam, would be treated differently thank either Gore or Clinton. However, believe that there are sufficient Obama supporters who are not so naive and that, with those cool heads, the day shall be carried.

As for your other comments: Yes, the media sat of a plethora of damaging stories but more galling was our inability to either a) get those stories into the media cycle or b) adequately deal with the stories that the Republicans had fed into the media cycle. We should take responsibility for our own failings before blaming the mendacity of others (even if they are mendacious).

[RandomKoolzip]

74. Ted Kennedy gave us Bush?

:wtf:

[robbedvoter]

77. Is Ted Kennedy the corporate media now?

[Amanita]

80. ted seems to be the answer to all the questions about Obama nowadays.

[MNDemNY]

81. No, he helped get us Ray-gun.

[RandomKoolzip]

84. And that's it, right?

Teddy's done nothing before or since. Lovely. :eyes:

Speaking as someone working in a service industry where people do not earn a living wage, I must say that Ted's record of fighting for wage increases for wage slaves has been inspiring. Plus, he's been on the right side of nearly every important piece of legislation that's come down the pike for decades

But none of that matters, because Ted wasn't able to go to his crystal ball, look into the future, and predict Reagan's ascendancy.

Brilliant.

[MNDemNY]

86. To run against a sitting president in a primary is, IMO, not a good thing.

[Skwmom]

90. There has been plenty of hammering of Obama.

For example, CNN showed non-stop the slams against Obama made during the last debate w/out showing his rebuttal. It was so bad and blatant that Anderson Cooper even stated one of Obama's rebuttals.

As for why some would saying something nice about Obama. It's simple:

1. They know that the Hillary gang will jump on it to say they want Obama and are afraid of Hillary.
2. They are already courting independent voters (which will be KEY to this election). By playing nice, they make the Clintons look even worse (if that is even possible). Many who supported Clinton are now starting to see why so many people have such a negative aversion to the Clintons.

[robbedvoter]

95. The stats show he is by far - from all candidates of both parties - the most favored

by the MSM - it's a larger view of the coverage - not a case by case rebuttal. And we all know we don't need stats for that - or we'd never have happy threads on DU such as : "Nobody on TV agrees with Bill Clinton that it's media's fsult" or "I live MSNBC!"



Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JEDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

[robbedvoter]

94. Summing up responses from Obama supporters - why is MSM promoting Obama?

MSM is after a good story (unseating of inevitable choice)
MSM is actually impressed with Obama
MSM wants to kiss ass of the next president
MSM - they're human! maybe they want to stop being evil already
Both parties do it
They hate Clinton
Ted Kennedy!
Who cares what they're doing?
It's not true - what planet are you getting your news from?

Did I miss anything? Edited to add the last one

[dionysus]

97. rush calls obama a "spade", i don't consider that support.

n/t

[robbedvoter]

101. Never having listened to him, I can't argue with your facts, Except to say that

more than one DU-er posted here that there's a lot of promoting. I will have to take your facts in consideration as well. But I did read with my eyes how worried Peggy Noonad was for our party's future and how we had to all support Obama to set her mind to ease. And many other such advice from the - well, enemy. Many posted on DU by you guys with the editorial: "I can't believe I am agreeing with...."
So, I ask: all these "unbelievable" events recently - no alarm bells? No suspicions? Nothing?

[dionysus]

102. i heard them playt the clip on stephanie miller, that the only rush i ever hear...

i don't want ot give myself a stroke listening to that gasbag!!

[Milo_Bloom]

103. Because they are trying to PROVE they are not racists

And be allowed to bash and annoy Clinton and her supporters at the same time.


They create these soundbites now so when they attack him later, they can point to these comments and say that their comments at that time are not racially motivated.

[robbedvoter]

106. So, you don'ty think this will outlast the primaries then? Are you an Obama supporter?

For the survey purposes.

[Milo_Bloom]

118. I don't "support" any of the candidates at this time.

I think Obama is the lesser of 3 evils.

[Jed Dilligan]

104. I'm not a 100% Obama supporter,

though if Edwards doesn't make a great showing today I will be voting for Obama.

One possible answer to your question is that the man is very, very clever. His nebulous claims to "unity" make the cons think they might have a D who is willing to play softball with them, which is about the best-case scenario. By acting conciliatory towards conservatives, he also gives them a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to not look like total racists.

How he behaves after becoming President is a different question altogether.

[robbedvoter]

107. Thanks. It's a valid opinion - for the sake of this, I'll consider you an Obama supporter.

Basically you are saying, He is fooling THEM, right? That plus the racism element.

[Jed Dilligan]

108. Yeah. That's it.

I am an Obama supporter and an Edwards supporter and I will be a Clinton supporter if she is nominated.

Many of my closest friends are professional people of color, and the apparent trajectory of Obama's interaction with the power structure is very similar to their experience of building careers in the white-dominated world.

[tishaLA]

105. they think he's a compelling, positive force?

and they love what they see as his kennedyesque qualities since they romanticize that era as their moment of political awakening?

[robbedvoter]

109. You are talking about the MSM now, right? Just want to make sure I am not missing a note of sarcasm

because I named Peggy Noonan et all in that bunch - so I want to be sure - you meant your answer as a straight one, right?

[VotesForWomen]

120. really, the fact that the MSM is backing obama so strongly should make all dems suspicious. nt

[southern_dem]

110. hate

They hate the Clintons so much that they want to see Senator Clinton lose as soon as possible. They don't want her to win the primary and have at least a 50/50 of winning the GE. If it means a President Obama, it's worth it to them. I think I've actually heard Hannity say that before.

edit: Obliviously, not an Obama supporter if you'd prefer to hear from them :)

[robbedvoter]

116. Actually, I love hearing from everyone - and good point, yes. Just surveying

the Obama supporters and their perception

[alcibiades_mystery]

111. Because they know Hillary will win the nomination

It's virtually a numerical certainty at this point.

So they build up support for Obama. He won't win, but it makes it more of a horserace, and increases ratings. It has the fringe benefit of deflating a core democratic constituency when Hillary wins the nom as expected.

[robbedvoter]

117. You're saying their interest is in ratings only?

I think it's partially true.

[VotesForWomen]

119. correct; obama's getting the same total pass from the media that bush got. hopefully the voters won'

won't fall for the same trick twice.

[robbedvoter]

122. A visual aid to my OP