Delegate Totals: Does Our Vote Count?

[allinktup]

Okay, first the numbers;

Delegates Awarded By Voters
Obama: 63
Clinton: 48
Edwards: 26

Super Delegates;
Clinton: 184
Obama: 95
Edwards: 36

Total;
Clinton: 232
Obama: 158
Edwards: 62

Now my point. What the fuck are we voting for? Excuse my language, but really, what the fuck are we voting for?

I'm not just saying this because Obama is losing overall, despite the fact that he has more delegates from the acual voters. If this was the other way around I would be just as outraged. So please, spare me the Hillary hater comments.

If she was winning the voter delegates and this was happening to her, I would feel the same way. Injustice is injustice; reagrless of who it happens to.

My point is that I don't see why we aren't the ones choosing our candidate. I mean, I don't care of Papa Smurf was running, we should still have the say so in whether or not he was the candidate; ALL of the say so.

I don't vote for someone so they can turn around and tell me who I'm going to vote for for president.

What the hell are they doing in DC?

Any thoughts?

[goodhue]

1. yes, our votes count

the superdelegates will turn on a dime, so should not be factored in until much later

[allinktup]

4. are you telling me that the ones already casted can change?

Or are they set in stone like the actual primary delegates? The process seems kind... muddy.

just looking for clarification here.

[goodhue]

6. the superdelegates have not yet cast any votes; CNN simply factors in their endorsement pledges

By the time convention rolls around they will likely vote for the presumptive nominee.

[1corona4u]

12. Or not...

[CK_John]

2. We are a representative democracy, not a mob. n/t

[tekisui]

3. The Supers make up 796 of the total 4,051.

Not counting MI and FL.

They are 20%, but not enough to alter the final outcome, unless they ALL went one way.

[allinktup]

5. I read yesterday that they count for 40%, not 20%

[tekisui]

9. I think the 40% number represents the percentage of Supers to the winning

total 2,025.

There are only 796 Supers out of 4,091 delegates, about 20%.

[featherman]

7. Serious delegate question:

If the large MI and FL delegations have no vote (at least in the first round)
and the Super delegates are technically uncommitted (20 % or total ?)
and most of the remaining primary and caucus delegate are divided proportionally

Then how do we NOT have a brokered convention or at least one in which no candidate arrives in Denver with anything close to a majority of TOTAL delegates?

[demo dutch]

8. None of it will represent what the people voted for. It's completely UNDEMOCRATIC.

The primary process needs to be overhauled, First of all to have nominal, irrelevant states such as Iowa and New Hampshire always leading the way and virtually determining who gets to run for president every cycle is unfair. There should be a blind rotation or we should have a national primary on the same date through out the country like other countries. It's a fine example of why we should go to a one person one vote system, versus party controlled caucuses and primaries, that do not require delegates to vote the popular vote. And then people wonder why only half the eligible voters even bother!

[Moochy]

10. But but... But the Mob Rule!!

Its a check to democratic (little d) power by the party bosses.

[demo dutch]

11. I am seriously considering switching to Independent

[Moochy]

13. Well, I'll vote for whatever D

comes down the conveyor belt... the alternative is that bad. Not saying I like it, but take a look at the posts that are in favor of super delegates and the argument always breaks down to pure party political power. And it's not democratic, but rather Democratic.