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Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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Florida is actually the purest result so far: no campaigning, no spin |
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no campaigning or spin from anyone (except for Obama's advertising).
So Florida voters made up their minds based on what they know about the candidates, what they've seen at the debates, and what their hearts and minds told them to do.
Nobody campaigned there.
Nobody tried to spin them.
No town hall meetings and hordes of media harrassing voters.
Just people's unvarnished votes.
The result?
Clinton carried the state with 50% of the vote, 17% more than her nearest opponent.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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1. and one MAJOR blowout.. |
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OSCAMA can kiss California and New York goodbye.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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2. And how many voters stayed home because they knew the delegates were not |
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expected to be counted? We'll never know.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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11. Considering the huge turnout? |
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Not enough to have made a difference.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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15. And we know this how? NT |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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more Democrats voted than Republicans. Dems turned out to vote, even though they knew it wouldn't count.
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 PM
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36. The Presidential primary |
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was not the only thing on the ballot - so Dems turned up to vote for those things too
AND Clinton got a blow out because she has HUGE name recognition. That is why she has been consistently polling so high nationally forever - up until recently when campaigning began in earnest.
I do think that she will probably be the nominee - but I do believe that neither of them will beat McCain....
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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It was somewhat refreshing.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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4. then the polls before anyone campaigned were correct Giulliani wins the nomination! |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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18. Bingo! We have a winner! |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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6. Clinton has 200,000 more votes than Kerry had is 2004 with 80% counted. |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:39 PM
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28. Didn't Kerry already have the nomination by that time in 2004? Was there a prop tax issue in 2004 |
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:50 PM
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38. Kerry got 77% of the vote and 174 delegate! Hillary got 50% of the vote and ZERO delegates. |
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She did horrible by comparison, and her opponents didn't even campaign in the state
Worth repeating.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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7. Bullshit. They did campaign. |
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And Hillary damn near broke her high heel in speeding to break her pledge.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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8. You're kidding, right? All we've gotten here is media results and spin. |
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Nobody (on the Dem side) came and talked to us. They shut us out instead. Sure, the dipshit R party ran ads (Rudy, Mittens, McCain) but we heard nothing from the Dems. All we got was what was fucking fed to us by Fox, CNN, MSNBC. You had to seek information out to get any brand of the truth.
This is the epitome of spin. The worst kind.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:28 PM
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Let's keep our primary system "pure" and not let the candidates actually speak directly to the voters.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:28 PM
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10. Yep, just name recognition. nt |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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14. Obama has 97% name recognition |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:35 PM
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24. Don't confuse them with facts |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:46 PM
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30. And cable tv coverage of races in other states nt |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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12. Campaigning is impure? Why let folks meet there candidates, right? |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 PM
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19. How is that pure, that is called name recognition. |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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22. Do you think people in Florida don't have televisions and computers? |
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is it some backwoods part of America that doesn't know who Barack Obama and John Edwards are?
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:38 PM
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27. do you think hearing and speaking with candidates is the same as watching TV Fox news? |
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:37 PM
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32. Does a Computer or TV somehow provide a deeper personal relationship than |
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meeting a candidate in person and hearing their views? Sorry but MSM is only going to supply you with what they want you to hear.
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:48 PM
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37. Guess they're living under rocks too! |
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They would have to be to not have seen the media swooning all over Obama the past few months!
Puh-leaze!
This Florida thing has caused some to be totally irrational. I don't understand it! If Obama had won I'm sure they'd be all over this place whooping it up!
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:32 PM
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20. this post reeks of hillary fuzzy purity |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:32 PM
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21. Regardless of its "purity" |
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it doesn't have any bearing on what the result of a true election would hold. A true election would include the campaigns, spin, media, etc. (for better or worse). There's just not much to be read from those numbers. Just my $0.02. KJ
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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HRC is a former first lady who everyone knew. Obama is a "BLACK MAN" (emphasis on the color of his skin) from Chicago who just had a nasty e-mail smear sent out calling him a radical Muslim.
Yeah OK Florida is the purest :sarcasm:
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:37 PM
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25. the result is completely flawed |
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Everybody knew the election counted for no delegates. This affected the Turnout in indisputable ways.
This Primary result is not indicative of anything.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:37 PM
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26. Most pathetic little meme of the night |
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Everything spun through the media is "no spin" to you?
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 PM
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Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 10:48 PM by EffieBlack
Not to take anything away from Sen. Clinton - who should be congratulated for the win - this is not a pure result given that voters knew their votes probably wouldn't count. This surely affected the turnout.
I also don't believe that campaigning "taints" a race. Moreover, it's not like the Florida voters weren't exposed to campaigning - they weren't isolated on an island with no access to cable television or the internet - so they weren't immune from "spin" and the result is hardly pure.
I'm happy that Clinto won - I support all of the candidates and am happy when any of them win - but I think it's a little silly to try to turn the Florida results into something they aren't.
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 PM
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31. I'm in Florida...and there's been basically nothing out there about them... |
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unless you watch the news evry day or know something about politics, Florida democrats (who are not political) have been walking around in blind oblivion...
It was name recognition, that's all.
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 PM
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33. Lol. Thanks for the laugh. |
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Is there anything you won't attempt to spin?
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 PM
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34. Bullshit..... Name recognition ONLY, and of course Clinton would |
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have the advantage there.
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:42 PM
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35. Seniors like Clinton. |
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Florida has a lot of seniors.
End of story
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Wed Jan-30-08 12:00 AM
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39. How did this make the greatest? |
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I gotta stop looking over here, I swear.
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