Are you afraid of the fight?

[realFedUp]

As a Hillary supporter, I expect a fight. If she's the nominee,
I expect all the old playbooks will be dusted off and all the
old talking points, which came to naught but a consensual blowjob,
will be rallied around. But she's been vetted, for eight years and
more but she's held her own and gained the respect of many
Republicans in Congress and in her state. Her longtime record
of public service is bedrock. She's a centrist Democrat and so is Obama.
His votes are rarely different than any of the centrists in Congress.
He knew he was going to run prior to running for the Senate and
he's played his cards safely these two years.

He was anti-war, but not at Senator at the time of the vote
to authorize force after diplomacy. I think lots of his supporters
would be surprised to hear that.

He's not progressive and he doesn't talk about removing troops now
from Iraq or Afghanistan. He's agreed with Bush policies and he's
voted to keep the war funded.

He's got real problems with his deals and ties to Tony Rezko and people haven't
woken up to that yet, but Republicans will wake them up with that and
more. You think the "Obama, Osama, Hussein" thing will be the worst?

If your stomach churns at the thought of the Republican talking points
against Hillary, buy a large bottle of Tums, put your gloves on and
get in the ring coz the fight won't be for wusses. It will be for
real Democrats.

[K Gardner]

1. HRC is already mounting one of the most disgusting Rovian campaigns of modern times. How

disingenuous to portray her as waiting to fight the "good fight" against Republicans. Your post is a mirror image of her campaign and character. Thank you for mentioning Osama Hussein again.

[realFedUp]

2. Shut your eyes to reality...but Republicans won't be as nice...

Hillary hasn't spoken ill of Obama at all as he
has of her, but for some reason people are blind
to his hiding behind his pretty words and skin
color.

Read the statements. Look at the records.

[K Gardner]

3. Do you think your blatant racism is endearing this former Edwards supporter to Hillary?

You're as disgusting as she is with your blatant references to race.

[realFedUp]

5. Not my statement

I didn't invent the statement comparing his name to
terrorists and I don't use it. I respect Obama but
the Republicans won't be respecting him in the race.
It's dirty politics but it has been said and it
will be said. Shut your eyes and ears to it at your
own peril.

[RainDog]

4. There is nothing a Hillary supporter can say

that would make me want to vote for her as my first choice.

If we have a choice between two centrist democrats, Obama is the Reagan of this race and Hillary is Bob Dole.

[realFedUp]

6. well, one of them did a lot more damage as President....

if you are comparing.

[RainDog]

7. One of them changed the face of the Republican Party

and one of them didn't.

Reagan's advisors are the ones who dictated policy. They are many of the same assholes who are now dictating policy in the Bush (figurehead) administration without any of the "realists" to rein them in.

But, you're entirely correct about the idea that, whoever wins the nomination, the republicans will be biting the heads off of chickens and blaming the democratic candidate.

they're mean and they don't care about bi-partisanship until they are the ones who've lost power. No matter who wins.

[realFedUp]

8. yeah, Reagan certainly did change the party and the country...

of course as we are experiencing...not for the better.
Obama seems to have needed a refresher course on recent
history.

[RainDog]

9. Please. I'm not that stupid

I've not been an Obama supporter, though he will be my candidate now. His remarks about Reagan had NOTHING to do with Reagan's policies. Instead, he was noting Reagan's charisma, which, few would deny, was a force that brought about change... whether you liked that change or not.

Obama's remarks were not an expression of support for Reagan's policies. As others have noted today, he and Hillary have a 90% similar voting record, so you can save that b.s. for someone who just jumped off the turnip truck. He, as are all those who are running, is a politician, and I have no doubt his remarks were constructed to make independents and moderate republicans associate Obama's candidacy with the upbeat mood among those who liked Reagan after the hostage crisis in Iran (and, yeah, I know the Oct. Surprise was a illegal action to swing the race to Reagan...) it's not about reality, it's not about the steak. It's about the sizzle.

America has been humiliated by Bush and his middle eastern messes. Americans don't want to feel like jerks who support torture and rape of children that is sanctioned by the president.

I am not so naive as to assume that politicians do not try to tactically appeal to voters by saying things to sway them away from another candidate. In this case, Hillary was not the candidate. Instead, Obama was going after the independent vote.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. It'd be a nice story if it were true.

But it's all a load of crap.

"He was anti-war, but not at Senator at the time of the vote
to authorize force after diplomacy. I think lots of his supporters
would be surprised to hear that."

And his opponent was a Senator at the time, and DID think a war in Iraq would be a good idea. I suspect a lot of her supporters felt the same way.

"He's not progressive and he doesn't talk about removing troops now
from Iraq or Afghanistan. He's agreed with Bush policies and he's
voted to keep the war funded."

Obama does talk about removing troops as quickly as possible. Obama's always been against the war, and will not vote for funding that does not have a timetable for withdrawal.

"He's got real problems with his deals and ties to Tony Rezko and people haven't
woken up to that yet, but Republicans will wake them up with that and
more. You think the "Obama, Osama, Hussein" thing will be the worst?"



"If your stomach churns at the thought of the Republican talking points
against Hillary, buy a large bottle of Tums, put your gloves on and
get in the ring coz the fight won't be for wusses. It will be for
real Democrats."

The reason I'm supporting Obama is because he is a real democrat.

[realFedUp]

11. Truth is....

1. You didn't refute the statement I made that he was anti-war AND not a Senator having to vote on that.
2. He has voted for war funding except for the votes he wasn't present for.
3. Obama is a real Democrat...a centrist one and always has been.

There are no progressives in this race, so we all have to work for one
of these two to get a Democrat in office next year because we can't
afford another Republican. I know Hillary can do this job without a lot
of advisors or on the job training.

If you want to post the photo of Rezko, it might be more honest
to mention that Rezko helped Obama buy his house and the lot next
to it and that Obama did favors for him while in the Chicago state
legislature. That might be more relevant than one of millions of
photos the Clintons have taken with people.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Nope, sorry.

Not true either.

"1. You didn't refute the statement I made that he was anti-war AND not a Senator having to vote on that."

This is technically true. But he would have voted against it had he been a senator, as opposed to Clinton. Who sent 3941 of our young men and women off to die for a lie.

"2. He has voted for war funding except for the votes he wasn't present for."

Simply untrue. He famously voted "nay" on HR 2206, one of the few democrats who did. He will not vote on any funding that doesn't include a withdrawal date.

"3. Obama is a real Democrat...a centrist one and always has been."

Obama is a progressive democrat, Clinton's a conservative dem. Before that she was a young republican.

"I know Hillary can do this job without a lot
of advisors or on the job training."

On the job training? WTF? Are you saying Hillary Clinton's experienced at the job because she's related to a former president? They made the same dumb argument about Bush Jr.

"If you want to post the photo of Rezko, it might be more honest
to mention that Rezko helped Obama buy his house and the lot next
to it and that Obama did favors for him while in the Chicago state
legislature. That might be more relevant than one of millions of
photos the Clintons have taken with people."

Rezko's a red herring. Really Whitewater type bullshit, very ironic coming from Clinton or her supporters. The only thing it does is make people who bring up Rezko look stupid.

[realFedUp]

13. well, you're wrong

Obama is a centrist. His voting record says nothing
progressive.
You can delude yourself with half truths and no truth
but the truth is that Tony Rezko had a 17 year relationship
with Obama, giving him personal and bundled monies.
Obama wrote a letter on his behalf to gain a
$14 million dollar taxpayer funded housing project
that Rezko benefitted from greatly.

I intend working for whoever the Dem candidate is,
will you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Do you really believe that?

Because I sure don't.

You're making yourself sound very silly.

"I intend working for whoever the Dem candidate is,
will you?"

If you care so much about the party, what's with the stupid, untrue slurs?