Palmieri says Edwards-Clinton the same

[sandnsea]

One of Edwards' campaign strategist says Edwards and Clinton have the same policies for the poor. She says the anti-establishment people would like Obama.

I think people are believing their own campaign hype is what I think. Edwards and Clinton do not remotely have the same idea for the poor, I think Mudcat clearly gets that.

[Metric System]

1. But of course you'd think that. n/t

[sandnsea]

3. I thought it was Hillbama

Now an Edwards' strategist tells me Edwards and Clinton are the same.

I'm genuinely confused.

:shrug:

[AX10]

2. Edwards and Clinton win the working class vote.

[peacebird]

4. which only proves that poorer workers routinely vote against their best interests

[LVjinx]

5. poorer workers routinely vote against their best interests

Poor are voting Clinton/Edwards, and Obama is getting the rich and elite... I wonder if you think they are just voting against their own interests for the fun of it? There couldn't be an underlying cause that we might be refusing to see...

[peacebird]

8. funny - I see Clinton getting rich & elite as well as Obama. Why do the poor vote

against their interests? Because MSM presents what suits its corporate masters so they can "sell" the candidate of their choice.

Any other questions?

[sandnsea]

10. Edwards is richer than either of them

:shrug:

The size of someone's bank account is not a measure of their sincerity in helping working people.

[peacebird]

12. sorry - i meant "getting support from the rich & elite" - not the candidates own wealth

my bad - I wasn't clear...

:hi:

[sandnsea]

15. It takes that to win elections

If Edwards were winning, he'd have gotten those millions too. What do you think would happen financially if Edwards were the Democratic nominee?

[Metric System]

13. How elitist of you. Maybe the poor shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

[peacebird]

14. if only MSM (Murdoch anyone) would present the facts about each & every candidates positions

and fact check their speeches then perhaps people would have a better idea of who would best represent them and their interests.

[sandnsea]

18. If only there was this place people could go

and find out what the candidates said for themselves.

[peacebird]

22. believe it or not a lot of older voters don't have internet and are not comfortable with it

They rely on traditional media.

Traditional media (M$M) has let us down.

[sandnsea]

25. I live in a retirement town

Old people are online almost as much as young ones and talk more about the issues too.

[peacebird]

28. fair enough - but of my 80 year old mom and her friends only one has a computer

they all rely on the local newspaper and evening news

[Samantha]

6. Edwards apologized for his support of the resolution which gave

Bush the authority to launch a preemptive war. He referred to his vote as a BIG MISTAKE.

Hillary refuses to apologize for that vote to this day.

To me, that is a HUGE difference.

[ClericJohnPreston]

7. I don't think

you ever think. Just sayin.....

[redqueen]

9. I think Edwards and Clinton are more alike (more progressive) on economy... yeah.

And they're also more alike healthcare and energy policy.

[sandnsea]

11. That's just crazy, it just is

Unless you mean alike in supporting NAFTA and China trade and forcing people to give all their money to insurance companies.

[redqueen]

16. Sorry but it's more about his stimulus package.

He seems to back tax cuts instead of aid to help the poor... and it doesn't have the alternative energy stuff that Endwards & Clinton do.

[sandnsea]

17. He supports FICA tax cuts and senior citizen benefits

That's what he supported. The alternative energy plans are in his economic package because a stimulus is immediate and completely different than long term energy projects.

Stimulus:
http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/13/barack_obama_announces_plan_to.php

Economy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[ClericJohnPreston]

19. Bwahahahahaha

the ubiquitous link, always the links.

[redqueen]

20. FICA tax cuts... I like removing the cap... that idea I like...

"long-term energy projects"... I don't like that. Why would it take more than 30 days to get it off the ground?

[sandnsea]

23. The point is whether it's immediate stimulus

Long term projcts don't provide immediate stimulus. They're also the kind of thing that are likely to end up being give-aways to friendly corporations, as opposed to a true energy strategy. I don't think it's the kind of thing one would vote no on, but I see why it isn't part of a stimulus package proposal.

[redqueen]

29. Long-term projects have to start... and the people working on them have to be paid.

I still don't see why these projects can't be started in 30 days.

[awaysidetraveler]

21. Obama's been working on poverty and civil rights for the last twenty-five years.

His politics are clearly staked in that ground. It is incorrect to say that there is no difference
between Hillary's and Obama's position on poverty: Obama's stake is personal.

“I'm in this race for the same reason that I fought for jobs for the jobless and hope for the hopeless on the streets of Chicago; for the same reason I fought for justice and equality as a civil rights lawyer; for the same reason that I fought for Illinois families for over a decade… That's why I'm running, Democrats — to keep the American Dream alive for those who still hunger for opportunity, who still thirst for equality.”

— Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007

[sandnsea]

24. Obama actually has a proven stake

and it doesn't include abandoning people in the name of ending big government.

[and-justice-for-all]

26. I find Clinton and Obama to be the same..

whereas Edwards stands off to the left from those too. I also do not expect much to change when either HRC or Obama are on the Hill, I really dont.

And if a repiglican was to take the Hill, which will not happpen, we are really and truely FUCKED.

[sandnsea]

27. Be specific

Because I'm really fed up with that line when Obama has the record on making change for working people and the poor.