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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:47 PM
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The End of Edwards’ Candidacy Was a Blow to the Dreams & Legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr.
I was stunned and saddened this morning to hear about the end of John Edwards’ presidential campaign. I feel that it is a terrible loss for our country, as well as for the dreams and legacy of one of our country’s greatest leaders, Martin Luther King, Jr.

I had started writing this post prior to hearing the news of Edwards dropping out, and I was planning to use it as one more argument advocating for his nomination. I decided to post this anyhow because the issues are still relevant. John Edwards won’t be elected president this year. But the issues that he fought for (and which I assume he will continue to fight for if his wife’s illness doesn’t prevent him from doing so) are as relevant as ever, and that’s what this post is about.


Some thoughts on identity politics

During a recent Democratic presidential debate a woman asked John Edwards if he could explain why African-Americans should vote him, given the historic opportunity that now exists to elect our first African-American President. Her premise (my interpretation) was that, given the long history of repression of black people in our country, electing a black president would bring a new sense of pride and empowerment to them.

The question put Edwards in a very difficult bind. On the one hand, the issue that the woman spoke of threatened to doom his presidential campaign. By giving credence to her premise he could contribute to the demise of his campaign. On the other hand, I don’t doubt that he at least partially agreed with her premise (as I did). By responding too aggressively against it he might appear insensitive – or even racist to some. So he kind of punted. I don’t mean that as a criticism – I think he did as well as he could with such a difficult question. Rather than directly answering it, he said that he didn’t feel comfortable telling African-Americans how to vote, and he went on to reiterate his own strengths.

As it turned out, the black vote in the South Carolina primary pretty much finished off whatever chance John Edwards had of winning the presidency. While winning the white vote (40% for Edwards, 36% for Clinton, 24% for Obama), Edwards won only 2% of the black vote (according to exit polls), against 78% for Obama and 19% for Clinton). Whether or not Edwards’ dismal showing among black voters was related to the issue raised by the woman at the debate is a question nobody can answer with certainty. But it certainly wasn’t due to Edwards’ stands on issues which affect those voters. Certainly John Edwards’ stands on issues that affect black voters warranted way more than 2% of the vote – and that’s what’s so sad about this whole thing.


More thoughts on identity politics – some personal perspective

My parents and grandparents identified themselves as Jews much more than I ever did. Probably that was largely due to the anti-Semitism that my parents experienced to some degree and my grandparents experienced to a very large degree through much of their lives. My parents often tried to encourage me to retain my Jewish “identity”, even though they weren’t religious at all. That seemed somewhat hypocritical to me, or even racist, and I resented it. My dad, who was a psychologist, explained to me that oppressed and persecuted groups need to retain their group identity in order to help with the development of their ego and nurture healthy personality development.

But I never bought that idea, and not only because I had never felt oppressed with respect to my Jewish “identity”. Why should I take “pride” in being Jewish, when I had absolutely nothing to do with it? By the same token, why should I take “pride” in being an American?

I can be proud of my achievements because I earned them. Or I can be proud of being a John Edwards supporter because that says something about who I am. But why should anyone be proud of anything that was given to them at birth? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t sound healthy to me.

Well, maybe my dad was right, I just don’t know. Maybe black people in our country should feel a sense of pride for having a black president. Maybe I just can’t see it because I never experienced the oppression and discrimination that many of them have experienced.

Anyhow, my opinion is that much more of us should identify with being human than with our race, ethnic group, gender, sexual orientation, or nationality. The humanity that we all have in common is – or should be – much more important than the differences that separate us. And if more of us did that we would have far fewer wars, and world civilization would be in much better shape than it is now.


The legacy and dreams of Martin Luther King, Jr.

As the only American to currently have a national holiday named after him, Martin Luther King, Jr. is deservedly and widely recognized in our country today as one of our country’s greatest historical leaders. He led the Civil Right Movement in our country from approximately 1956 until his death in 1968, culminating in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The primary tactic of his civil rights work was civil disobedience, for which he was imprisoned and eventually assassinated.

Up until 1965, the primary beneficiaries of his achievements were African-Americans. They had been widely and severely discriminated against with respect to almost everything, especially voting, and especially in the South. The two above noted federal statutes represented some huge steps towards remedying those problems.

But between 1965 and his death, King’s efforts took on a wider scope which isn’t well understood or appreciated in our country. He began to address economic inequality – economic justice – in a manner that ignored racial distinctions. As described by Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon:

He maintained that civil rights laws were empty without "human rights" – including economic rights. For people too poor to eat at a restaurant or afford a decent home, King said, anti-discrimination laws were hollow…

King developed a class perspective. He decried the huge income gaps between rich and poor, and called for "radical changes in the structure of our society" to redistribute wealth and power. "True compassion," King declared, "is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

His fight for justice continued up until the end of his life:

In his last months, King was organizing the most militant project of his life: the Poor People's Campaign. He crisscrossed the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would descend on Washington – engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol, if need be – until Congress enacted a poor people's bill of rights. Reader's Digest warned of an "insurrection."

King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a crying need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor" – appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity," but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

And he was also one of our country’s greatest critics of the Vietnam War, and U.S. foreign policy in general:

In his "Beyond Vietnam" speech… King called the United States "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." From Vietnam to South Africa to Latin America, King said, the U.S. was "on the wrong side of a world revolution." King questioned "our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America," and asked why the U.S. was suppressing revolutions "of the shirtless and barefoot people" in the Third World, instead of supporting them.

In foreign policy, King also offered an economic critique, complaining about "capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries."


The missing part of MLK’s legacy

One might think after having a national holiday named after him that MLK’s legacy and dreams are fully appreciated in the United States. But one would be wrong to think that. As the above quotes should make clear, MLK’s quest was for justice – for black people, white people, Americans, people from other countries – all people. Though he led our country through some huge steps in that direction, he fully recognized that we were still a long way from that goal. He was still pursuing it vigorously when he was cut down by an assassin’s bullet.

The elites of our country – those who FDR referred to as the “Economic Royalists” – aren’t necessarily overtly racist. It doesn’t bother them much (if at all) that Martin Luther King is a national hero. The fact that African-Americans have formal civil rights today doesn’t bother them. Nor does the idea of an African-American President worry them, just as they aren’t the slightest bit bothered by having an African-American on the United States Supreme Court. As long as they maintain and expand their wealth and power, they’re perfectly ok with all of that.

What really bothers them are proclamations to the effect that the United States is not a just society. If enough people believe that they will put pressure on our government to make things better. Americans might clamor for social programs that will help the poor to climb out of poverty. That might require such things as government regulation of corporations in the public interest or tax increases for corporations and wealthy individuals. In short, it would reduce income inequality in our country and reduce the wealth and power of the elite.

That is why so few people in our country today understand the real Martin Luther King, Jr. Cohen and Solomon explain:

National news media have never come to terms with what Martin Luther King Jr. stood for during his final years…

In the early 1960s, when King focused his challenge on legalized racial discrimination in the South, most major media were his allies. Network TV and national publications graphically showed the police dogs and bullwhips and cattle prods used against Southern blacks who sought the right to vote or to eat at a public lunch counter….

As 1995 gets underway, in this nation of immense wealth, the White House and Congress continue to accept the perpetuation of poverty. And so do most mass media. Perhaps it's no surprise that they tell us little about the last years of Martin Luther King's life.


MLK’s legacy and dreams and John Edwards’ presidential campaigns

Martin Luther King, Jr. died almost 40 years ago. Since that time, with the possible exception of George McGovern in 1972, no U.S. candidate for President threatened to revive the pursuit of his goals like John Edwards has – both in 2003-4 and 2007-8. Somebody please tell me if I’m leaving something out, but I don’t recall a major candidate for President emphasizing the need to fight poverty like John Edwards has.

Several months ago I posted an article on DU that looked at the plans of the eight Democratic candidates for combating poverty in the United States. The only two candidates who dealt with poverty to any significant extent were Edwards and Kucinich. John Edwards committed his presidency to ending poverty in the United States in 30 years.

Specific elements of Edwards’ plan included: A proposal to make quality health care available to all Americans; expanded access to pre-school programs, college, and “second chance” schools for high school dropouts; jobs for all who are willing to work, strengthening of labor laws, and increase in the minimum wage; expanded affordable housing, and: a more progressive tax system, including expanding earned income tax credits by $750 for single adults.

John Edwards was not and is not afraid to speak the truth about the major problems in our country today. On Martin Luther King Day of 2006 he said this:

We are not yet the America that Dr. King described as he stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. His dream is not yet reality. And as long as injustice and inequality persist in our society, Dr. King’s legacy will endure not just as a dream but as a challenge – a challenge to live by the principles we as a nation were founded upon, a challenge to lift up those who struggle, a challenge to become a source of motivation, guidance, and hope in the lives of others, just as Dr. King has been for us.


The other candidates

Although Barack Obama has done and said numerous things that MLK would be happy with, I find much of his centrist-right rhetoric of the past couple of years to be deeply disturbing, and in substantial opposition to MLK’s goals. He talks about “change” a great deal, and even used that concept in his victory speech following the South Carolina primary to explain why he won there. I found that claim to be disingenuous because he advocates far less change than John Edwards, and less than Hillary Clinton in many ways too. By proclaiming that there is only “One America” he essentially denies the uncomfortable truths that MKL and John Edwards have tried to communicate to the American people.

He claims that his praise of Ronald Reagan referred only to Reagan’s communication and political skills. Why then does he refer to “all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s” to explain how Reagan “tapped into what people were already feeling”? The 1960s, as I’ve explained, are known largely for its protest movements – against racial discrimination, the Vietnam War, and poverty. These are the things that Martin Luther King fought and gave his life for. I don’t see how anyone who lived through that period could hear those words from Obama without suspecting that he considers MLK’s efforts on behalf of justice for the American people to be “excesses”.

Why does Obama say with respect to what he labels “confused Democrats”, “There are those who still champion the old-time religion, defending every New Deal and Great Society program from Republican encroachment”? Does he understand the extent to which Republicans have dismantled New Deal programs over the past three decades – programs that lifted millions of Americans out of poverty? These were exactly the kind of programs that MKL sought to expand and enhance, in order to produce a more just society.

And why does he say that “the Democratic Party has become the party of reaction. In reaction to a war that is ill conceived, we appear suspicious of all military action…” MLK would role over in his grave if he heard that. The Democratic Party should be less rather than more suspicious of military action?

I think that Barack Obama needs to explain these things. What are the “excesses” of the 1960s that he complains about? What are the New Deal programs that Republicans encroached upon that Democrats shouldn’t have fought to save? And what wars have Democrats been too suspicious of?

I have been accused of giving Hillary Clinton a “free ride” when I rail against Obama like this. I don’t mean to do that. I have serious problems with her as well, in particular the huge amounts of money that she has received from Republicans and her recent vote on the Kyle-Lieberman amendment, which I do believe increases the likelihood of George Bush starting a disastrous war against Iran. But I don’t have a problem with her rhetoric as I do with Obama’s. Anyhow, I doubt that I’ll be voting for either of the two in the primaries. If Edwards or Kucinich are on the Maryland ballot I’ll vote for one of them, and if they’re not I’ll vote for one of them anyhow (But I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election). .


Final words on Edwards’ withdrawal

Some time ago an editorial in The Nation, titled “Time to Act on Inequality”, summed up the issue of poverty and inequality with regard to the 2008 election:

Might we hear the candidates address this national scandal and say concretely what they intend to do about it? Republicans, we know, will duck and dodge. But Democratic hopefuls are not exactly speaking out on inequality either. John Edwards is an admirable exception; he has declared unilaterally that income inequality is no longer a taboo subject?

And a more recent editorial in The Nation described Edwards’ effect on the other candidates:

Edwards has displayed a smart, necessary partisanship – denouncing corporate power and its crippling influence on government. He has argued with conviction that government does best when it does more for its citizens… His policy proposals are not always perfect, but they are uncommonly detailed and crafted in conjunction with progressive organizations. Most important, his programs were announced first, and they clearly pushed Clinton and Obama in a progressive direction.

Indeed, Edwards has set the pattern for this presidential campaign. He has made poverty and economic justice – the missing legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. – acceptable subjects again in American politics. In doing so, both Clinton and Obama have taken steps to match him. Obama even added a section on poverty to his website.

I hope that Edwards holds off for a long time before endorsing either of the two remaining candidates. They both want his endorsement. Maybe one of them wants it badly enough to do something significant to get it – like giving John Edwards a say in the shaping of the Democratic Party platform or their administration. Or maybe, even better, we’ll have a brokered convention that will be forced to pick someone else.
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momlyd Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:39 PM
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1. Wow.
I am sending this article on to family and friends. Someday, we will have a candidate for office who will espouse these things and make it all the way. I was hoping it would be Edwards, but that is not to be - right now.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:43 AM
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5. Thank you momlyd -- I'm still hoping that Edwards will be able to wield a lot of influence
in the next administration -- maybe with a cabinet post perhaps.

Welcome to DU :toast:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:00 PM
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2. I have only two minor quibbles with your journal entry
(1) If everyone simply identified themselves as humans, we wouldn't have FEWER wars... we would have NO wars.

(2) You have written something worthy of being printed in any major publication... but near the end you say this:

"I have been accused of giving Hillary Clinton a “free ride” when I rail against Obama like this. I don’t mean to do that. I have serious problems with her as well, in particular the huge amounts of money that she has received from Republicans and her recent vote on the Kyle-Lieberman amendment, which I do believe increases the likelihood of George Bush starting a disastrous war against Iran. But I don’t have a problem with her rhetoric as I do with Obama’s. Anyhow, I doubt that I’ll be voting for either of the two in the primaries. If Edwards or Kucinich are on the Maryland ballot I’ll vote for one of them, and if they’re not I’ll vote for one of them anyhow (But I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election). . "

Sorry, but from what I can see, the vast majority of DU'ers (including myself) have no standing with which to accuse you of anything. Therefore you have no reason to defend yourself in advance from their attacks and to emphasize that you will be voting for the eventual Democratic nominee. You are intentionally lowering yourself to our level (the majority of us, not all of us, let me just add that to avoid getting flamed since I'm at that lower level where I have to be concerned about it) ... and I personally feel you should take your writing up to a new level. You should be getting paid for it.

JMO

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:16 AM
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8. I very much appreciate your saying those things.
I think that what I was trying to do with my statement you refer to about Clinton and Obama is not so much defend myself as to make it clear that I am not advocating for Clinton's candidacy -- even though it is true that I have criticized Obama a lot more than I have criticized her. His words -- not all of them, but the ones I refer to in this OP -- really bother me, and I really do feel that if he or Clinton receive the nomination the Democratic Party will have nominated the most conservative Democratic nominee of my lifetime. That is one reason why I was so saddened to see Edwards drop out yesterday.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:55 PM
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3. Thank you
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:14 AM
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4. This expresses my feeling on the issue very well. Thanks...
...for another extremely well-written piece. I especially like the last 13 words! :)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:01 PM
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16. Thank you -- Yes, the last 13 words
We'll have to hope for that (maybe with a draft Gore movement?) or else hope that they turn out better than they seem to us at this time.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:00 AM
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6. The "One America" versus "Two Americas" debate is about semantics.
Right now the country is divided. Too many people are struggling, while the rich get all the breaks. We want to unite the country by dealing with discrimination, economic deprivation and inequality.

I think both Edwards and Obama would agree with the above. Hillary too.

If you watch John Edwards' pull out speech in New Orleans, he talks about "One America" (repeating it like a mantra). The idea of "One America" sums up what we are fighting for.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:38 AM
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7. MLK also thinks there is one America, one people
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 06:44 AM by Levgreee
We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into friend.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness.
Martin Luther King, Jr.




If MLK posted here he would be attacked mercilessly.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:53 PM
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15. That was his ideal -- It was definitely not what he saw as the reality.
He maintained that civil rights laws were empty without "human rights" – including economic rights. For people too poor to eat at a restaurant or afford a decent home, King said, anti-discrimination laws were hollow…

King developed a class perspective. He decried the huge income gaps between rich and poor, and called for "radical changes in the structure of our society" to redistribute wealth and power.

Does that sound like someone who believed that the current reality was "one America"?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:19 AM
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14. Yes, but I think it's more than that
One can give speeches that emphasize, as John Edwards does, that we are two Americas and that we need to become a more just society and become more united as a country.

Or one can give speeches that simply assert that we are "One America". The implication of asserting that is that we don't have to do much to correct our problems in that area. The message that such speeches give out is "Don't worry, I'm not going to rock the boat too much".

I see Obama mostly in the latter camp. His followers can claim that what he really means is the former. But if you look at his words, that's not what he's saying, and I don't believe that that is the message that he intends for conservatives either. It's all consistent with his "excesses of the '60s" type of rhetoric, and "that's why America was ready for Ronald Reagan".

I've never heard Obama address the questions I ask in this OP. To me, it's important that he address those issues. I think that liberals/progressives ought to be asking him those questions.

If he gets elected president, I very much hope your interpretation is correct. But it doesn't look that way to me, from what I've seen.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:27 AM
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9. MLK's dream was not about getting a black man or a woman elected to the Presidency
It was about economic and social justice. I wish the folks like Oprah and Ted Kennedy would stop pumping Obama as the culmination of the MLK dream. That goes for dear Caroline also. With that kind of attitude and those statements, and Obama win will make a lot of people think that there is nothing more to be done, nothing to hope or work for, the "dream" has been accomplished.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:48 AM
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11. Do you believe that the reason no African American or female has ever been elected in this country
is that there has never been a minority or woman with sufficient content of character to qualify to be president? Have the white men HAVE won managed to do so purely on the "content of their character?"

I find it interesting that in the middle of this presidential campaign, when an African American man or a woman may actually get the nomination, some people suddenly start behaving as if presidential races are purely meritocracies in which qualifications are purely objective matters and subjective criteria never ever come into play. And they loudly insist that because a minority and a woman are serious contenders, this means that for the first time in history, we are about to do something that has never been done in the United States - GOD FORBID - someone might consider voting for a president based on criteria that doesn't apply to white men.

This is a common pattern - many of the same people who never seem to mind or even notice when white males have and maintain an overwhelming privilege and are consistently overrepresented in all manner of places - in employment, education, politics, etc. - are the first to quote this one line from one of Dr. King's speeches to support their newfound interest in having America operate as a pure and fullblown meritocracy the minute it looks like a minority or a woman has found their way into the previously exclusive white man domain.

And I think it's very interesting that you're responding to a post that claims Edwards' departure from the race is a blow to "Dr. King's dream," not by raising a question about such a connection, but by castigating Oprah Winfrey and Ted Kennedy for "pumping Obama as the culmination of MLK's dream." You may not see the irony in that, but it's quite obvious.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:10 PM
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17. it's not about meritocracy to me
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:12 PM by hfojvt
The President is not like a quarterback. The quarterback's job is to score touchdowns, get first downs and win a game. Thus, you can choose a quarterback based on their experience and record. A President is more like an architect, who designs a building based on certain plans. All quarterbacks are trying to do the same thing. All architects are not designing the same building. It's not about which architect is better, or has better character, it's about the plans. I certainly didn't vote for Jesse Jackson because he had more experience than Dukakis or some other kind of merit. Nor was it because he was black. It was about his policies and philosophy.

As an HHHer, I seem to be stuck with Obama, but I am no more excited about it, than I was about the supposed electability of Colin Powell.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:14 PM
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24. I partially agree with you
No, I dont believe that there haven't been plenty of women or minorities who would make good or even great presidents. The man I wrote about in this OP and the woman in my avatar are just two examples.

If I or anyone else believed that we should vote for a white man against a woman or a minority on the basis that he was a white man, and yet we were abhorred by the idea that someone would vote for a black man or a woman solely on the basis of race or gender, that would make us racist or sexist.

But you appear to be saying that two wrongs make a right. Because women and minorities have been denied high office in the past, we should vote for them now, even if they're running against a much better candidate, one who will do much better for the people of our country. You seem to me to be suggesting that we should not vote for such a white man simply because he is a white man.

I am saddened by the idea of having Obama or Clinton as the Democratic nominee because I believe that they are much too conservative for the conditions under which we now find ourselves. I believe that John Edwards would have been much better for our country -- all the people of our country, with the exception of the "Economic Royalists" who I referred to in the OP. And I do feel that it is wrong to vote for them on the basis of race or gender even though racism or sexism has prevented many of them from attaining high office in the past. The presidency of the United States is just too important a job for that.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:37 PM
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26. I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right - not at all
I AM saying that it is disingenuous for anyone to suggest that the fact that Obama's race or Clinton's gender may be one of the criteria that some people are considering as a positive factor in their decision to vote for Obama or Clinton is not some kind anomoly or horrid aberration from normal procedure in presidential elections. People make their choices for president based on all sorts of reasons - many or even most of which have nothing to do with universally accepted objective "qualifications." We look at all sorts of things - where they were born, what state they grew up in, where they live, whom they married, what they look like, how much hair they have, where they went to school, whether they inspire us, whether they can give a good speech, in what generation they were born, whether they seem "cool," whether they appear to be a "grownup," etc.

In this instance, given the history of racism, sexism and exclusion in this country, it is perfectly appropriate, in my view, for someone to include as one of their subjective criteria the fact that a candidate is a minority or a woman. I find it very odd to hear people who apparently have never had a problem with the many other subjective criteria used to select a candidate, when faced with the possibility that a positive consideration of a minority's race or a woman's gender might be factored in with other criteria, suddenly insist that the ONLY acceptable criteria is the "content of their character."

I would never vote for a candidate solely because they are black or a woman. But if all other things are equal and I find more than one person to be otherwise qualified and acceptable to me, I will have no problem considering what positive effects on the country and the world would ensue with the election of a black or female president, along with many other subjective factors when making my decision.

Considering race or gender as a positive factor, when considered in light of our history and political structure, is not the same as voting FOR someone because of their race or gender and it is not even close to being comparable to voting AGAINST someone because of those characteristics.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:58 PM
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27. I don't generally have a problem with what you say here
But it does seem that you're constructing a straw man argument:

"I find it very odd to hear people who apparently have never had a problem with the many other subjective criteria used to select a candidate, when faced with the possibility that a positive consideration of a minority's race or a woman's gender might be factored in with other criteria, suddenly insist that the ONLY acceptable criteria is the 'content of their character.'"

What makes you think that the people here on DU who have a problem with voting on the basis of race or gender are the same people who "apparently have never had a problem with the many other subjective criteria used to select a candidate"?
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:25 PM
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28. You are assuming something I didn't say
Please reread my post. I did not say that "the people here on DU who have a problem with voting on the basis of race or gender are the same people who 'apparently have never had a problem with the many other subjective criteria used to select a candidate.'"

I said I have a problem with people who never had a problem with other subjective criteria in the past but now quote - incompletely and out of context - Dr. King's "content of their character" line as the only acceeptable criteria - now that the subjective criteria might include a positive consideration of a black man's race or a woman's gender.

This was not directed at everyone on DU who objects to race or gender as a consideration. It clearly applied only to the hypocrites who want to change the rules now that a minority and a female have taken the field.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:34 AM
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10. Sorry - Dr. King's legacy and dream are considerably bigger than one man
and certainly will survive regardless whether John Edwards is president. While it is probably heartfelt, I think your argument is overblown and actually trivilizes Dr. King's message.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:24 AM
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13. I didn't say his dream wouldn't survive, and I didn't say all is lost
I said that John Edwards' defeat is a blow to his legacy and dream.

Certainly it is way bigger than one man. But that man was the only presidential candidate left in the race who was strongly advocating for that dream. The outcome of the U.S. presidential election is a very big deal -- it is the single most powerful position on earth.

I don't think that I trivialized MLK's legacy at all. I think that it represents the most important goal that the world should be striving for. The whole theme of this OP is to advocate its importance.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:50 AM
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12. It was an end to the "Democratic Party Wing" of the Democratic Party
We're not gone, though, just temporarily leaderless. We'll carry on, though and there's no better time to start than today. Focus on 2012!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:21 PM
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18. I would encourage you not to vote for Edwards
I'm not happy about Obama, but I still think there are significant differences. For example,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4311967

Although I will caucus for him in the first round. With a caucus we sorta have "instant runoff"
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:26 PM
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19. I don't know about that
Lakeoff says:

There is a reason that Obama recently spoke of Reagan. Reagan understood that you win elections by drawing support from independents and the opposite side.


But it doesn't seem that way to me. If what Obama is referring to when he speakd favorably of Reagan is only Reagan's political skills, tactics, or strategy, then why is he so scathingly critical of Democrats, especially liberal Democrats, when he praises Reagan? Someone needs to ask Obama those questions:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2721736
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:35 PM
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20. What a ridiculous premise.
Maybe now he can get back to learning about poverty at his hedge fund?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:44 PM
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21. So your point is that working for a hedge fund disqualifies someone
from caring about poverty in our country and trying to do something about it? Would you care to explain why?
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:52 PM
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22. Great post, thanks for this. K & R
"The humanity that we all have in common is – or should be – much more important than the differences that separate us. And if more of us did that we would have far fewer wars, and world civilization would be in much better shape than it is now."

I couldn't have said it better myself. :applause:

You raise an interesting point about Obama and his mentioning "one America". It's absolutely true that by doing so he's avoiding the uncomfortable truth that Edwards has talked about all along.

This Edwards supporter is also devastated that he dropped out. :( I don't know who the hell to vote for now...but it's not in my nature to avoid voting altogether.

I'll watch the debates tonight and see what happens....

:hi: Thanks again for a thoughtful, well-written post.


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:58 PM
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23. Thank you --
I should probably watch the debates tonight too, but I think I need to get over my grieving first :(.

:hi:
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:28 PM
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25. John Edwards can still influence this election and the Dem platform if
we continue to vote for him on February 5 Super Tuesday.

The more delegates he has the more power he has to incorporate OUR and his
populism in the party platform and the two candidates platform.

Heres' how the corporate media screwed John Edwards

Vote for John Edwards on Feb 5 and stick it to the corporate media
Stand up with some backbone which our elected dems dont seem to have:

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dougolat Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:27 AM
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29. MLK day is a great holiday,
this year I heard the "Beyond Vietnam" speach twice. King left us a lot to work with, and every year we get a national holiday to remind us all! (It's as if Independence Day were called Toms Jefferson & Paine Day, and there were sound tracks to their speaches)
John Edwards is apparently still on the Super Tuesday ballots, and a lot of people may choose to back his message, I think I would, mostly because of the feeling that we're already down to "the lesser of 2 evils" thanks to the dismal performance of the public media & the phoney "debates", etc.
So we pin our hopes on people who embrace nuclear energy and the health insurance racket, and repeatedly voted for crushing debt to fund criminal and counter-productive war-profiteering.
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