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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:17 PM
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I am an Edwards supporter, convince me who should I vote for on Super Tuesday?
As of tonight I am undecided.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:19 PM
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1. I'm an Edwards supporter. Vote with your heart and mind but VOTE! nt
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:19 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:23 PM
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5. Best advice available.
Take your time deciding - and then VOTE!
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:28 PM
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7. Agreed. Sounds like a great plan.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:19 PM
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2. Edwards
The message needs to be sent that we are here and we're not falling in line until they (Obama and Clinton) get solidly behind principles that help the poor and marginalized in society.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 PM
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3. Obama has a better environmental record than the other candidate.
He has a better record on civil liberties than the other candidate.

His corporate donations are essentially identical to Edwards' donations. Record breaking small private donations. He's a populist.

And he didn't vote for the IWR.

I don't see what Edwards has that Obama doesn't have.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:26 PM
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6. Obama loves "clean" coal and nuclear energy
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:31 PM by Harvey Korman
And his biggest contributor is Goldman Sachs, directly ahead of the Halliburton financiers at Lehman Brothers.

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

It is disingenuous at BEST to compare the financing of his campaign to Edwards'.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:31 PM
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10. Disingenous?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/13/191530/176/3/436284

Actually, Obama's got a fine environmental record.

Obama's single biggest contributor is Goldman Sachs, but it's chump change to the people sending in $100 and less donations. Furthermore, the percentage of donation money from investment banks like Goldman Sachs is nearly identical to Edwards' campaign.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:34 PM
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12. The percentage?
:rofl:

Look at the link I provided. Says it all.

Obama has used PACs and lobbyists to generate donations.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/

He raised millions more than Edwards.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:36 PM
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14. a vote for Obama is a vote FOR
more Nuclear power plants
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:22 PM
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4. I think it's better if you convince yourself......
what does your gut tell you?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:29 PM
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8. I am turned off by the emphasis on personality in both campaigns.
I will vote straight Democratic when it comes time but as of now I am seriously (for the first time in 35 years) undecided in the Primaries.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:39 AM
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24. I personally am not...
Edwards was my first choice but I always knew he was a long shot. Hillary Clinton won my support because I remember her trying to get a health care program in the 90's. She was the first to identify the problem but she was ahead of her time. She now has my full support. I'm not saying that to try and convince you just to tell you how I came to my decision.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:30 PM
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9. Here's my 2 cents...
(I wrote this earlier to day, to another Edwards supporter
who asked the same question that you are asking. I hope you
don't mind me saying the same thing to you! It's from the heart.)


When the Edwards and Obama campaigns rolled through my state of Iowa, during the caucus
run-up, choosing between Edwards and Obama was a tough decision for me. I agonized over it.

In my mind, the most critical issues in this election, deal with reversing the BushCo damage and
getting this country on the right track. I believe we need a paradigm-shifting leader
and I believe that both Obama and Edwards could catalyze that kind of change---bringing
us out of this war and conducting their Presidency in ways that honor our Constitution
and our civil rights.

I attended several Edward's events when he campaigned in Iowa. I was very moved.
He was the only candidate to say the word "neocon" and I was so impressed with that.
After all, that group of warmongers is the sole reason we're in this mess today. He's
committed to poverty--when it's not politically exciting to do so, and that meant a great
deal to me.

I could not decide between Edwards and Obama. I was so torn. I would hear Obama
speak and lean Obama. I would listen to Edwards and change my mind back to Edwards.

I began to lean toward Obama more, when I read about his commitment to restoring our
Constitution and our basic civil rights. Obama talked about these things at big
events in Iowa, but they were never covered by the mainstream press. Like Edwards'
poverty issues--Habeas Corpus just isn't sexy enough for the media. Unfortunately.

Obama is a Constitutional Scholar. He taught Constitutional Law, and other law classes
for a decade at the University of Chicago. He is an expert on what our Founding Fathers
laid down, and he is hell-bent on undoing the BushCo damage. In Obama's plan for America--
he specifically states his desire to restore Habeas Corpus--our rights as Americans to
hear the "body of evidence" against us--if we are arrested for a crime. Bush and Gonzo
haphazardly decided that we didn't need "the great writ" anymore. Obama found that offensive.
He's running to restore our Constitution.

As I continued to struggle between Obama and Edwards--Obama called me. I told Obama I was leaning
Edwards. Obama listened to me. He told me, "John Edwards is a wonderful guy. I can
understand why you would support him." He had nothing put praise and admiration for the guy.
Obama didn't launch into a speech which compared himself to Edwards. He just expressed
profound respect for him.

I stared asking Obama questions. I told him that I was deeply concerned about our civil
rights being stripped. I told him that our government was not about "We The People" any more.
He told me that he was against illegal wiretaps and Bush going around the FISA courts. You
can see yesterday, that Obama echoed those feelings. I asked him how he would vote on
giving the telcos retroactive immunity--he said would vote NOT to give them a pass. As you
can see, Obama voted yesterday in exactly that way. Privacy is a legal right of all citizens,
and Obama's passion for our rights will drive his administration to undo all of this BushCo
damage that has horrified all of us.

Obama also wants to close Guantanamo. Did you see that the lawyers representing the Guantanamo
detainees, many of whom have been detained for years with no charges filed--collectively endorsed
Obama? They understand what his deep respect for the Constitution means. No more indefinite
detentions. No more torture. No more denying people a fair trial and basic rights.

I also find Obama's health care plan very innovative and a SERIOUS solution to the problem. Did you
know that Obama's plan to cover the poor is about making premiums more affordable? He plans to
subsidize premiums---cutting their cost in half or more. Many have argued that this "fails to
cover everyone." It's a REAL solution. It's a first step. Hillary says she covers everyone.
However, did you know that her plan to help the poor with insurance coverage is a mandate? She
mandates that the poor have insurance. She does NOTHING to reduce costs or make the coverage
more affordable. If they do not buy the mandated insurance, they are fined. I don't see
her healthcare plan as workable. She says it's "universal coverage", but it's a mandate.
You can mandate that all Americans have a Prius in their driveway---that doesn't mean they'll
all be able to afford one. Obama is at least TRYING to make insurance more affordable. He
could have enacted a mandate, to give him an easier soundbyte. He didn't do that. He's
offering a thoughtful solution that addresses the number one reason that the poor don't have
insurance--cost.

From a strategic point of view--I can tell you this. I'm a stay-at-home mom now, but I worked as a PR
executive for 15 years. I have NEVER witnessed a campaign like Obama ran in Iowa. The campaign
was amazingly organized and staffed with respectful, enthusiastic and inspiring volunteers. When
they called, they listened. When they heard I was undecided, they sent over a supporter to talk
with me. They invited me to an Obama house party. This was one of 1,000 Obama house parties
that happened simultaneously. Unprecedented in Iowa or any political campaign. They're a very
creative, tenacious, gracious bunch. This campaign, if extrapolated onto a national stage---will
smoke any Republican candidate. I don't care what the polls say now. America has really not met
the full force of the Obama campaign--as many of the early states did. It is powerful. It is
unbeatable, in my opinion.

Speaking of that house party I attended...The person who invited me--and who was an Obama precinct
captain--was a disenfranchised Republican who was distraught about Bush. She is just as mortified
at what Bush has done, as any of us. There were Independents there, and liberal Dems. This small
house party was a political melting pot. We talked issues and our fears about the neocons for
two hours. It gave me hope to see that a candidate had managed to galvanized centrist Republicans,
Independents, Progressives and Centrist Democrats. Obama appeals across party lines and that
is key to being elected. Especially if McCain is on the ticket. You MUST have an exciting, inspirational
candidate ate who appeals to those sought-after Independents and centrist Republicans. Obama
can do that in spades. I've seen it with my own eyes.

I know this was long, but I feel so strongly about Obama--his plans, his ideas and his electability--and
yes, his ability to inspire. I had to choose between Obama and Edwards, and I struggled. However, I
know that there is a great deal of reciprocity between the Obama and Edwards camps, and I firmly
believe that Obama can repair the "Constitutional damage" unleashed by Bush. Only with that repair
can be begin to move forward with any Democratic agenda of helping the poor, stopping tax cuts
to the most wealthy, addressing corporate corruption, giving Americans healthcare, restoring our
nation's standing in the world and ending this never-ending neocon war plan.

Good luck with your decision. I'm sorry that Edwards didn't go on to a higher level. I know this
must be a tough day for all Edwards supporters. I really hate to see him go too. I hope
that when you're ready, that you'll consider giving Obama your support.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:32 PM
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11. Thank you, this helps.
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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:34 PM
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13. That was great!
Thanks for posting.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 PM
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20. That was a well written, thoughtful reply. But....
It's not true that Hillary's healthcare plan does nothing to reduce the cost or make it more affordable. It's not the best of plans, I admit (neither is Obama's), but she does have tax credits to help cover the costs. It seems a little disingenuous to say that she is doing NOTHING about making it more affordable. It doesn't go far enough, but it is something.

Full disclosure: I'm an Edwards supporter who is supporting Clinton over Obama. But thanks for your post, it is thought-provoking.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:41 PM
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15. Carl Bernstein just said the truth is Hilary in her beliefs is closer
to Edwards Supporters. He describes some real arguments she
had with Bill when they were in the WH on Policy. Both Krugman
and the Nation studied the records and determined Obams is
to the right of HRC. There seem to be a lot of right leaning
Democrats . Just some thoughts. Bernstein has a written a book
on Hilary.

I was an Edwards supporter and now support HRC.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:44 PM
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19. I will look that up. Thanks
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:42 PM
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16. i`m voting for dennis...
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:43 PM
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17. Clinton, because they have made a deal most likely
They have been close lately, he called hillary personally about it first, and he softened up on hillary lately, but stayed tough on Obama. He is also most likely to be on a hillary ticket, because obama won't put him on because obama needs military weight on his, hillary is the military weight who needs white male weight. They would make a great team, or Hillary may put him at the DOJ.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 PM
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22. The DOJ possiility is intruiging.
Octafish made a similar comment today. Many of our problems need attention from the Department of Justice.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:44 PM
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18. Take the time and make up your own damn mind. n/t
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 PM
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21. Do what you feel is right
no one can convince you that fast unless you already had a back up plan for one of the others. i am sure you already have an opinion of both of the others and nothing anyone could say would really change that.

you know deep inside who you think of as less bad and that is who you will vote for or you won't vote at all.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 PM
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23. If undecided
Listen to what your head says. Who can win? Who should win? These are emotional times, but don't let anyone pressure or persuade you into supporting their candidate if it doesn't feel right to you.
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haroldgiowa Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 AM
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25. Send a message
VOTE FOR EDWARDS !!!!!
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