A week ago, Hillary favored in 18 of 22.... she wins 8 of 22... her fans scream "Victory!"

[scheming daemons]

...who's the cult here?


Last night was the beginning of the end for Hillary's campaign. Obama will win the next 10 contests. The next time a state comes up that Hillary has a chance in is March 4th.... by then, she will be behind by more than 150 delegates, and have the same momentum that Rudy had in Florida.


Hillary fans.... you may have deluded yourselves into not being worried, but your campaign staff is.

[skipos]

1. Totally agree. I thought Obama was going to get spanked last night.

I still can't believe he might actually win NM.

[closeupready]

32. Yep, that's what I thought. I was actually surprised, pleasantly, at how well he did.

I voted for him, by the way, despite my misgivings about various things.

[mckeown1128]

2. kick and rec nt

[zanne]

3. I'm very happy about Obama's results!

I was hoping and praying, but I really didn't expect him to do as well as he did! Gobama!

[angie_love]

6. Me too

Last week I thought he'd only win 2-5,, can't believe he actually won 13. Nice! Hopefully we can win the next 10, and make good ground in Ohio and Texas. Its going to be a looooooong ride!

[krkaufman]

22. Then you'll be thrilled when the number hits 14...

... when New Mexico tilts his way, eh?

[Dawgs]

4. Thank you. I was trying to think of what to post to make this point.

Thanks for doing it for me.

[dmallind]

5. In all honesty that is disingenuous

Polls are very likely to shift in a week (and by no means all states showed big leads or had very recent polls) especially in a close campaign like this with Obama doing very well. A poll is not and is never supposed to be a predictor, only an indication of support at any given time. It's as silly as saying that final polls in NV and CA favored Obama so how come he didn't win? Polls don't work like that.

[Xipe Totec]

7. You're wrong on so many levels

Nobody is screaming victory.

This is not the beginning or the end of anything.

Your crystal ball about the next 10 contests is as cloudy as everyone else's.

Hillary is not behind in delegates at the moment.

There is no comparison between Rudy and Hillary.

Nobody has said Hillary supporters aren't worried.

And you have no insight into Hillary's campaign staff or what the may or may not be thinking.

Other than that, you're spot on.

[scheming daemons]

10. heh

"Nobody is screaming victory"

- except every Hillary supporter on this site

"Your crystal ball about the next 10 contests is as cloudy as everyone else's"

- Obama is favored in all 10, and will likely win at least 9.

"Hillary is not behind in delegates at the moment"

- By the time the counting is done, she will have won less delegates last night than Obama did

"There is no comparison between Ruday and Hillary"

- Except that Hillary's campaign is already putting out spin that they are focusing on the March 4 primaries... basically conceding that they're likely to not win another state in February. Sounds an awful lot like Rudy's Florida strategy.

"And you have no insight into Hillary's campaign staff or what the may or may not be thinking."

- Sure I do. Calling for debates every week. Downplaying the rest of the February calendar. Cash-strapped (and maxed out at $2300 with a large percentage of their most enthusiastic donors) and way behind the "money primary" with Obama. There are TONS of signals coming from the Hillary camp indicating that they're worried.

[JorgeTheGood]

8. Those numbers weeks ago that had Hillary with 18 wins

were put together by the same folks that had Obama winning bigtime last night. They are MSM whores that intentionally skewed the polls toward Hillary to lower the bar for Obama.

[Tarc]

9. The Obamabots can't decide if winning delegates or winning states matters more

When Clinton won the popular vote in NV and NH, it was "delegates count!". When Obama won more states last night, it was "states count!".

Hypocrisy defined.

[Abacus]

11. That's funny,

I was going to say the same thing about you folks...

I was expecting Obama to lose states 2:1 last night and fall a bit more behind in the delegate gap; I am delighted with the outcome.

[scheming daemons]

12. Why? Obama won BOTH categories last night.....

[Tarc]

17. You're a bit premature

But you probably hear that a lot.

[mondo joe]

13. I guess that would be meaningful for anyone fool enough to not expect races

to tighten up.

:shrug:

[Strelnikov_]

14. "who's the cult here?"

Yep

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. I have only seen attacks on Clinton constantly every where I turn

from "progressive" DU to every media site. It is constant. The media was vigourus this week in attacking Clinton non-stop. And with all of that help Obama got, he still lost.


That is a huge win for Clinton, who gets knocked down daily by the media and by the constant attacks, and she gets up and keeps fighting. I am suprised, and very excited.

Because Obama is nothing but fluff. The media hype has worked, and fooled many--but not too many. The American spirit is alive and well and fighting that media propaganda.

That is why it is a victory.

[boston bean]

18. Then add on the beating she has been taking from

the Kennedy Dynasty. My gal did real good with the machine she was up against. GO MASSACHUSETTS!!!! GOMAMA!

[ShortnFiery]

16. All of The Clintonian Smarminess (with a side of sleaze - Terry McCullif) is wearing off on them.

:thumbsdown:

[krkaufman]

19. I've been hearing that Hillary's campaign may be attempting a 9iu11iani "Florida" strategy...

... giving up many states in order to concentrate on a couple "firewalls", Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvannia. It didn't work too well for Rudy, as other candidates got all the press during their early wins, but, hey, maybe Hillary can swing it.

But putting aside the potential success in those 3 states for Hillary, the strategy doesn't exactly map to the 50-State Strategy... that I thought we wanted to put together. It looks to me like a failure to lead the way to a wider, working majority.

Hillary Clinton... building a bridge back to the 20th century.

[Yael]

27. She has the endorsement of PA Gov Ed Rendell

who was knee deep in the Peter Paul scandal. He is bought and paid for on more than a few levels.

*sigh*

[krkaufman]

30. Ed's name was batted around years ago as Pres. material.

But I wasn't aware that he was corrupt-ish. (nor do I have a clue what the Peter Paul scandal is)

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. Hillary Clinton has won contests in four states so far that went for Bush in 2004

And they actually are in play for 2008: Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, and Arkansas. Even though Arizona has been trending purple lately I won't include that because it is McCain's home state, but Hillary won in Arizona also. McCain has real popularity in California and we need to hold it, and Hillary won California as well.

Democrats can win the four states I listed, and Clinton is way ahead of Obama in Ohio also, though of course that primary has not been held yet. Hillary Clinton is showing strength in the States that Democrats have a chance to flip from Red to Blue. I think that is more important than Obama racking up victories in Idaho, Alabama. and North Dakota.

[krkaufman]

31. Wow. Talk about selective filtering.

2004 "red" states that Clinton has thus far won...

AR AZ OK NV TN

2004 "red" states that Obama has thus far won...

AL AK IA ID GA KS MO ND SC UT

Iowa, Kansas and Missouri are all ripe for the picking, equaling the 3 states you put up as Clinton wins, so I'll take Obama's CLEAR advantage in overall "red" wins (10-5), along with his demonstrated superior numbers in pulling-in independents and Republicans in the open primaries held so far. Obama's clear 10-5 "red" advantage is also key in the effort to increase our majority margins in the House and Senate. (see: 50-State Strategy)

Of course, this is all somewhat moot, as winning a Democratic primary in a "red" state really doesn't authoritatively tell us anything about how the candidates would actually do in the GE.

NOTE: Florida was removed from the discussion, as it was not contested and so its results are indicative of nothing.

2004 results
2006 results

[Tom Rinaldo]

36. Iowa, yes. Missouri, of course

...but any state that either of them wins by less than a single percent gets listed with an asterick in my book as a virtual tie - meaning that both showed they can be highly competitive there. The same will go for New Mexico no matter who ends up winning there.

NV, AR, and TN in my opinion are far riper for the picking than Kansas. Arizona would be if McCain was not running. The other Red States you list for Obama are no more likely to go Democratic than Oklahoma is. Unless there is a total election day blow out on the order of REagan in 1984, they all will vote Republican,

And I totally dispute you leaving Florida out. 1.5 million Floridians actually voted by secret ballot (as opposed to one of Obama's caucus wins) and it wasn't even close. Hispanics in Florida broke for Clinton just like they did in California and Nevada. Women broke for Clinton like they have most everywhere else also. Blacks broke for Obama. Only Obama ran Campaign ads that could be seen by 6.5 million households.

If the vote was really close in Florida, perhaps I would consider discounting it. But it wasn't. It was a Clinton blow out.

So among real swing states that have actually voted, I only give a clear advantage for Obama in one; Iowa. And Ohio now looks very good for Clinton.

[krkaufman]

20. Obama wins more states than any other Pres. candidate on Super Tuesday.

delegates TBD.

[NightWatcher]

21. it's all the media's fault

waaa waaa waaa

:rofl:

Are you gonna cry and blame the media if you should lose the general? (provided you use Florida to get it)

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. you post is odd? Do you not see what the media did to Gore and Kerry?

Are you denying a media bias favoring Obama? Get your head out of the sand. You are sleeping with the enemy because if favors your candidate--but propaganda in the media is not healthy to a democracy. It is the downfall of democracy.

[psychopomp]

24. They are plenty worried

which is why the volume and vitriol has been turned up of late. It has been plain to see.

Still, we are all on the same side so I hope that we will come together again soon.

[pampango]

25. All camps pick the time frame that benefits their spin. n/t

[PDittie]

26. It depends on what the definition of "win" is

And take your Dramamine because it's all spin this morning. All the time, both sides.

[BootinUp]

28. According to CNN, Hillary looks to take more delegates from

the total available last night, pending the outcome of California and a few other states. But thats how it looks right now. If that is not a win, then what is? Granted its a small win becuase the margin will be close.

[cooolandrew]

33. Let's try to keep it sweet nothing is for granted. Keep working positive to all.

[meow mix]

34. its wierd watching them be so happy over a meltdown.

lol

[Deja Q]

35. Victory means everything. Doesn't matter if it's by 1%; nobody else's POV has any value.

They are no different than the opposing party they bash at every turn. ;)

[Robbins]

37. Super Tuesday

Obama did well.He won 13 states(and It could be 14 when New Mexico Is finally called) and he pulled It off here In Missouri.The way some act here we should not have any primarys or caucus In Red States.That Is the DLC way and It has cost us In the past.Obama did better In New York than Hillary
did In Illinois and she was born and raised there.Obama never lived In New York.Obama's 4 point win In Connecuet,and 11 point win In Delaware Is good.Obama got 40 percent In New York and keep Hillary to a 10 point win In New Jersey(and not 20 point plus) and got 41 percent In massachussets.Obama
even made In roads In tenessee where polls had him losing 25-30 points and he lost by 15.He keep It to a 9 point loss In Arizona.The last poll In Minnesota had him behind and he wins big.He was at one point behind In Double digets In Alabama and he get a double diget win.He wins good In Colorado,and may pull It out In New Mexico.The MSM are using superdelegates to spin a Hillary win In Delegates.Obama Is In good shape.Before long I expect Some Hillary surgorates to say Obama should give it up for her.

[jazzjunkysue]

38. Agreed. Considering the GOP wants her and women want her, she should

have trounced Obama last night. But, no.

This is all great for Obama and really, really, bad news for the Clintons.

I would have to keep my $$ on her (as much as I don't like her) but really, she should have paved the whole road by now.

Ouch.

Lots of people (like me) don't like her. And I don't care about Lewinsky. (I like Bill.) I care about all the bad war votes and habeas corpus and all of it. She's part of the problem. She's more of the same. No matter how much she says she's not. Her record of votes proves it.

[GoldieAZ49]

39. her fans need to send money

can't expect the Clintons to finance their own campaign like Mittens is

They want to keep their millions for themselves...and not to help the needy