All I'm Doing Is Using My Head. Care To Join Me For A Moment?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

It's been a few days now since a realization hit me that I feel quite comfortable in the conclusion of.

That's that no matter how much campaigning is done, how much support is given, how much rhetoric spouted out, in the end Hillary will be the nominee. Why? Well, because in the end of it all no one is going to be the victor in the conventional sense. Instead, it is undoubtedly going to come down to insider pressure. I don't see any other possible scenario unfolding. And if any of you Obama supporters use an objective eye and agree that it will likely be too close all the way through and will in fact come down to superdelegates and insider pressure, then I have a question for you:

With all you know about politics, with all you know about inside politics, who do you TRULY think will be getting the 'talkin to' when it comes time for the political insiders to put the screws to somebody? Do you really think the washington insiders are going to be talkin to Hillary, putting pressure on her to step aside? Use your heads for a moment. Think about the whole picture. Think about all you know about what is REAL in our political environment, and then answer the question.

It isn't about last night, it isn't about the races in February. Obama will continue to do really well and I'm so proud of him already, as I am proud of Hillary as well. But in the end, who is nominated will come down to who the insiders want, and who they decide to give the 'talkin to' to. I feel quite confident and objective in the realization that their choice will be Hillary, and that Obama will feel pressure that he's never before endured, to step aside. And he will.

That's my take on it, and I say that with an open mind and in a non-baiting matter. It's just completely how I see things unfolding at this point, and can't really see the powerful insiders choosing Obama and lecturing Hillary to step aside. Just sayin...

[SoFlaJet]

1. DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flying Monkey Alert!!!!!!!!!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Obama is probably more popular with insiders

Political people want power and influence in the party.

Knocking off the Clintons opens up opportunities for expanding power and influence in the party.

Most ambitious Dems would prefer to clear the Clintons out of the way.... if they can get away with it.

If she looks weak enough to take down, they'll take her down.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. Do You Really Think So? To The Ones That Matter?

To each their own. I just don't see that for a second.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. I added to the post, spelling out my thinking a bit

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

4. He says he is an outsider, you mean he lied? LOL See I enlightened you!

[FrenchieCat]

5. Well, these days......I'm starting to believe in US.

I believe that we can do whatever we want if we work hard.

So that's what I'll be doing....

I'll never say, what can't be done.

Look at where Obama is right now. He shouldn't be there by all odds.

You need some Love! Watch this for motivation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjR-N0QZ14

[Coexist]

11. a poster here said that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4443029

Donna Brazile threatening to quit the Democratic Party if superdelegates decide the nomination!

And she is a SD herself (uncommitted). Denver's gonna be a bloodbath if the SD's pick the nominee, especially if it goes against the committed delegates. She's not alone either. There's gonna be a lot of people quitting the party if some shenaningans go on backstage in Denver.




... that gives me hope.

[FrenchieCat]

15. We should all have hope, at this point.....

Well maybe Hillary....not so much!

[mdmc]

17. God bless you

:toast:
peace and low stress...

[Jack Bone]

7. from my perspective, the "powers that be", will be happy w/..

either of them. That's why they're both in the positions they're in.

[Fresh_Start]

8. I think there's a very good chance Obama will be the nominee

insiders are not going to go against the trend
yes, they may go against the trend when it's invisible but not when its highly visible
the candidate for the Presidency is about as visible as it gets

I expect Obama to win the nomination
I think there are a number of weaknesses which the GOP can exploit.
I don't know how it will affect the result
I don't claim to know who's electable
(Ok, I would have bet a substantial amount of money 6 months ago, that Gore would have been a shoo-in if he ran for the office)

[Flabbergasted]

9. Why are you trying to ram that down DU's throat. You've already said that today.

BTW it's quite likely you're wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4432679

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. That's A Completely Different Thread About A Completley Different Topic.

Learn how to read.

[Flabbergasted]

23. The two threads are very similar. In the other you suggest she certainly will be the

nominee and Obama will be the VP. In this you once again suggest Hillary will be the nominee becasue Obama will be forced out.

They are quite similar in tone and topic.

In fact your replies also maintain the same rude, arrogant and patronizing atitude.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. Why, Because They Both Contain The Words Obama And Hillary? What Impeccable Logic! ROFL

One was a serious question wondering if those excited about Obama would continue to be excited if he was in fact chosen as VP.

By stark contrast, this thread is talking about why I feel Clinton will win, and about the concept of political insider pressure.

Two COMPLETELY different topics and concepts.

By your impeccable logic, every single thread in GDP is very similar and therefore duplicates.

Quite a silly concept, to be honest with ya. :hi:

[StrongBad]

10. I agree

Clinton is much moreso the darling of the party compared to the relatively new Obama. If it truly comes down to making an "arrangement" I think it's clear that Obama will have to cave to insider pressure.

This is unfortunate but true. However, I think it probably would be best this way concerning our electoral chances in '08. A Clinton/Obama ticket is UNBEATABLE!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Thank You For You Objectivity. And I Would Be Super Psyched About A Clinton/Obama Ticket!

[Big Blue Marble]

13. If you are right, and do not think so, that would split the party in half for a long time to come.

And do not be so sure that the insiders want Hillary. The red state dinos want no part
or her. That is why they couldn't endorse Obama fast enough.

Remember Edward Kennedy, the patriarch of the party, he has publically stated he does not think she can win.

Also why would they alienate their major constituency, the black voters?


Add it up, red state democrats, blacks, Kerry and Kennedy. What insiders are you talking about?

[mdmc]

14. I agree with everything, but will add this

- Red state Democrats will do better under Obama.

Now, for the record, I never thought for a second that anyone, dem or gop, could beat HRC. I thought the primary would be over by NH, and that HRC would blow away McCain or any other gop. I fear the Ghoul the most, lol.

So I pretty much agree with you and understand that nothing that I do can stop this process.

America deserves HRC. And if HRC loses to Mac (perhaps cause she has a joementum or zell miller type dlc running mate), then America deserves Mac.

Either way, profitable illness will be treated, unprofitable illness will go untreated, the war will continue, cowboy diplomacy will end, and America will be safer.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Know What? I Had Feared Him The Most As Well.

I almost feel so silly now for having felt that way lol.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. The "insiders" see in Hillary a candidate who can't be trusted with a GE campaign

The way she squandered her huge lead in the primarys does not bode well for what she would do in the GE.

[Hippo_Tron]

20. If it does come down to the insiders, you are right, but it may not

Obama looks like he's in a better starting position in the war of attrition that's about to take place. The problem is that he has to win that war of attrition and often wars of attrition turn out to be a draw. If it's a draw it goes to the insiders and Hillary wins it. If he wins, it won't make it to the insiders.

Indeed I think we're in for an interesting next couple of months. Both Hillary and Obama are going to be campaigning in places that they were not planning on campaigning in and possibly places that they didn't even imagine they would be campaigning in.

[mudesi]

21. You are wronger than wrong can be

Obama has widespread support among the Washington insiders. He has the charisma and the connections. What he doesn't have as much as Clinton are the enemies.

Besides which, he is probably going to win big in the next few months, since he has the momentum and she's out of money.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. If You Say So!

:hi:

[mudesi]

24. Bookmark this thread, OPERATIONMINDCRIME

Because you'll be eating crow in 4 months.

I've always been right before. Why would that change this time?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Okey Dokey Pokey!