What if this thing goes to Puerto Rico?

[Renew Deal]

So the last primary is a 63 delegate winner take all in Puerto Rico. Can you imagine we get to that point? What are the issues for Puerto Rico? Will Vieques be an issue since Bill Clinton wanted to keep it open? Will there be a debate in San Juan?

Could be very exciting.

[lligrd]

1. You Better Attribute To Rhodes Or She Will Be

pissed.

[Renew Deal]

2. There's a few people talking about it.

I just found something on TNR. What Randi say?

[Quixote1818]

4. Randi had said something like you said above then Keith O made a comment

about it being decided by Puerto Rico and Randi thought Keith had stolen if from her. She went on and on and on and on about people steeling her stuff and not giving her credit. It was rather sad really. Anyone looking at the dates is going to notice Puerto Rico at the end and just like you, think: "What if".

[Renew Deal]

5. It is pretty intriguing

There's got to be 1,000,000 Puerto Rico issues that will come to light if it goes that long.

[Quixote1818]

6. That would probably be a Clinton stronghold woulden't it? nt

[Renew Deal]

11. Who knows

Bill supported leaving Vieques open for 5 years after an accident against wide objection and protest.

[Quixote1818]

7. You might have each candidate promising to make PR a state!

:rofl:

[calico1]

9. Actually the desire for statehood is split about

50/50 among the people there. And the pro-Statehood party is the party that supports the Republicans here. The pro-Commonwealth (status quo) party is the party that favors the Democratic party here.

[Renew Deal]

13. Does the statehood stuff cross party lines?

[calico1]

17. No, not really.

If you think politics is very partisan here you should spend some time there. There are really very few people that will vote for one party in one election and the other in the next.

The two major parties are:

"Partido Nuevo Progresista"--this is the pro Republican ideals, pro statehood party. The politicians from this party push for statehood and total assimilation with the U.S.

"Partido Popular"--pro U.S. Democratic party and favor the status quo or Commonwealth status. They love the ties to the U.S. but also like having that bit of independence.

I think if you spent time there it might be easier to understand. I think to a lot of people that haven't they think that naturally all of the people there want statehood. But in reality the only politicians that would offer statehood are the local Republicans and the Republicans here if they campaigned there to the local party members. It just isn't something that a Democratic candidate from here would talk about with local Democrats because it goes against what most of the local Democrats want. It would be like Barrack or Hillary going down there and offering to make the island English only speaking. Wouldn't go over too well. ;-)

[Renew Deal]

19. Thanks!

Which party is bigger/more popular?

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12. Is that popular opinion?

[Quixote1818]

3. Dam, you beat me to that! nt

[Levgreee]

8. Why is it winner take all when nothing else is?

[Alhena]

10. It isn't winner-take-all according to this link ...

"Proportionately allocated" means it is NOT winner-take-all- the rules appear the same as in every other democratic primary. I'm sure Hillary will have an advantage with a hispanic population, but the caucus format should mean it will be a lot closer, just like Nevada was. Plus, Puerto Rico has a significant population of residents of African descent- something like 20%.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/PR-D.phtml#0607

Saturday 7 June 2008 (tentative date): The Puerto Rico Senatorial District Caucuses convene. The caucuses choose Puerto Rico's 55 Pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the senatorial district or islandwide level.

36 district delegates are proportionally allocated by senatorial district (Puerto Rico has no congressional districts).

District 1 San Juan: 4
District 2 Bayamón: 5
District 3 Arecibo: 4
District 4 Mayagüez: 4
District 5 Ponce: 4
District 6 Guayama: 4
District 7 Humacao: 4
District 8 Carolina: 4
In addition, 12 at-large and 7 Pledged PLEOs are proportionally allocated by the islandwide vote.

12 at-large National Convention delegates
7 Pledged PLEOs

[Renew Deal]

14. Someone is wrong.

I read earlier that it was winner take all. I thought it was strange.

[LaReservaPr]

15. Hillary would win here

And the press here would eat Obama alive for what he did in November. He came, took a check, and left. All this within one day and people all over the island are pretty pissed at him for not taking time to talk to the press.

[Iceburg]

16. Interesting. /nt

[Renew Deal]

18. What are you basing this on?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Maybe Because She Lives There

:shrug:

[LaReservaPr]

21. I live in PR

The general feeling that exists after his fund raising event here is that he only came to claim a check and completely dismissed the people. His answers to questions on Puerto Rico's status were too safe and all he did say about PR is how much it reminded him of Hawaii.

Also around the University all the talk is about how he is such an opportunist for doing what he did. My friends and some professors that i have spoken to are either ambivalent about the primary elections or they support Senator Clinton.

The current fund raising since Feb 4, 2008 is:

Sen.Obama: $141, 050 - This is including $130,600 that were obtained during the fund raising event($2,300 tickets)

Sen.Clinton: $112,555- Sen Clinton has not held a fund raising event here, yet.
Source: El Nuevo Dia, Lunes, 4 de febrero

Later on ill include more info if you have anymore questions but i have to get to class now.

[Renew Deal]

22. Thanks!

:thumbsup: