Do some of you honestly not realize that they hate her? That they hate THEM?

[FlyingTiger]

I've seen an increasing number of threads in recent days in which people have been arguing about who Republicans are hoping will win the Democratic nomination, especially the extreme right-wingers like Limbaugh & Co.

What's amazing to me is that some posters here seem to not only underestimate the illogical, visceral hatred that many Republicans hold towards the Clintons, but that some truly seem to subscribe to willful ignorance just to avoid admitting a single weakness in the candidate they support.

There is extreme loathing for the Clinton name on the extreme right, and those feelings have been more and more focused on Hillary over the past few years as they, and everyone else in the country, have watched her progressing inevitably towards a Presidential campaign.

It has been there for over a decade. It has festered. It hasn't gone away. And for some here to simply pretend that it doesn't exist so that their candidate of choice won't have so egregious a flaw as to piss off people like Rush Limbaugh is, quite frankly, astounding.

[OHdem10]

1. So are you saying I am supposed to give up my belief

because some GOP RWers hate my candidate.

Democrats are so weak and anxious to appease GOP we
continuously lose elections.

Scared-Shake The GOP might say something mean about our
candidate. Get another Candidate.

No spine.

[FlyingTiger]

4. Uh... where did I say that?

No, really. Please find the part of my OP where I said that. I'd love to see it.

[poverlay]

2. I used to work for a couple of hard-core righties and let me tell you, the mere mention of Hil's

name would send them into orbit. They would lose control of their bodily functions, rant, rave, scream Chappaquiddick over and over, and even start cursing FDR. I used to egg them on and they never got over it. Still haven't.
I'm voting for Hillary because 8 years of that seems like good fun... for me. I love a woman who can make the bigoted xenophobes want to off themselves.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. GOOD ON YOU!!....me too

[no name no slogan]

3. Dems are outpolling Repubs 2:1 in every primary all over the country

The Repubs could run Jeebus hisself and they will still lose in 2008.

[FlyingTiger]

6. That's a little unfair.

After all, I've heard Jeebus has a whole lot of followers that seem almost like a... cult.

[Independent-Voter]

17. Hey Dumbass, Dems almost always outpoll Pubs in the Primaries

but notsomuch in the GE. You should learn some history.

[no name no slogan]

29. Hey numbnuts, not by 2:1 they don't

Learn YOUR history, jackass.

Enjoy your stay.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Those cranks wouldn't vote for any Dem under any circumstances. nt

[Zenlitened]

19. Exactly. Any appeal to hard-core repukes is pointless, IMO.

We need a candidate who will clearly, strongly and unapologetically embrace progressive ideals.

People who are able to think and reason will respond with their support, or not. It's up to them.

But the brainwashed uber-partisans... well, they're gonna do what they're gonna do, anyway. Forget them. Not worth wasting time on them.

[FlyingTiger]

25. You're missing the point.

It's not about appeal. I'm simply trying to establish that this "Oh, all the right-wing talk about Hillary hate is just an elaborate reverse psychology ploy!" talk is utter nonsense.

[Zenlitened]

33. I think you need to stop worrying about "piss(ing) off people like Rush Limbaugh."

Seriously.

[FlyingTiger]

37. Did you just ignore the last message I wrote in this chain for shits and giggles?

It's like I'm trying to argue that seatbelts make cars safety, and you keep responding by asking me why I care so much about leather seats. What you're saying has nothing to do with what I'm saying except for the fact that a lot of the words are the same.

[Zenlitened]

38. No, I'm just ignoring you for "shits and giggles."

Because you seem to be arguing all sides of an argument that largely exists inside your own head.

My advice: Stop obsessing about what the hard-core repukes want or may want or might want us to think they want if they think that we know that that they know that we think we know what they want or might think they may possibly want. Ya know? It's a little crazy-making.

:hi:

[theboss]

8. I admit it: Part of my support of Obama is based on my exhausition over the Clinton Wars

If there was an overwhelming reason to back Hillary, I would steel myself for four more years of Vince Foster theories and Monica and everything else. But there is a more than acceptable alternative that actually gives us the potential to make the election about the future and not a replay of the 90s.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Maybe we should ask the Republicans who to vote for

Heaven forbid we chose somebody they don't like.

Let's ask Rush Limbaugh, he seems to be tight with them.

[GoldieAZ49]

10. it isn't just the EXTREME right, or listeners of talk radio

my mom, 72 is not extreme, doesn't follow politics or listen to the radio at all, let alone talk radio and she cannot stand Hillary, she is at least open to listening to Obama

Some of the vets I have talked to and active air force (there is a AFB here) could not stand serving under Clinton and will never vote for his wife, same with their families. McCain is their candidate, regardless of party affiliation.

[FlyingTiger]

12. Most moderates I know are the same way. But to say that around here is apparently verboten.

It's all an extremely complex "reverse psychology" ploy, and the day after the convention, after the Republicans have successfully organized millions of their conniving followers to secretly fall in line with this conspiracy, they'll all collectively gather for one enormous, Nelson-like "HA-ha" at the Democratic delegates.

It's amazing how well they've got everyone faked out.

[BOSSHOG]

15. I'm a retired Vet

I enjoyed the eight years Clinton was Commander in Chief. I had no reason not to and the Vets you refer to have no reason either. I have no reason not to like Hillary and my wife and I will proudly support her if she is the nominee as we will Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

18. Glad to hear it, saw a post here awhile back saying O was getting more miltary donations

than other candidates, I don't know if that was for both sides, or just more than H

[BOSSHOG]

23. While conservatives absolutely suck at governing

(and being compassionate) they do a great job of labeling people. limbaugh (the cowardly warmongering chickenhawk) would have one and all believe that those in uniform are hard core bomb chucking conservatives who worship reagonomics. Those who listen to him, (worship him, need him to know what to think) believe that and they are wrong.

[BOSSHOG]

11. OK, I'll call up limbaugh and find out who I should vote for in local races

the gop base will hate whomever the democrats nominate and they will hate them with gusto. Since we are ranting illogically here let me jump in. If Obama gets the nomination the limbaugh wing of the party of ignorance and hate will hate him more then they would Clinton because he took away their opportunity to hate Clinton in a general election. Balls in your court, please give me another reason I should seek out editorials by Bill Krystol to make my electoral choices.

[goldcanyonaz]

13. Without the Clintons, these hacks would go out of business.

[K Gardner]

14. The Clintons not only divide the country in half, they divide it in FOURTHS.. they've managed to

divide 1/2 of the Democratic Party against her. That leaves about 1/4 of the nation that MIGHT vote for her.

We can do better than this. Undeniably one of the most divisive figures in political history.

[anamandujano]

28. Unless Obama is a Repuke in sheep's clothing (and the judge is

still out on that one) we will see more of same. If he tries to do anything good for the country, the MSM will treat us to Obama fatigue.

Don't you feel silly using Repuke talking points? Obama reinforces the "divisive" meme started by them and you listen without question. He even insinuated that the Gore and Kerry campaigns were divisive, not the Bush campaign. Were you around then?

You are not really paying close attention if you think Obama is not divisive, while saying otherwise. He starts some crap and if Hillary defends herself, the Obama campaign starts screaming dirty tricks and racism. Of course the MSM helps them parrot the routine to the hapless masses.

[yardwork]

16. "They" hate African Americans too. "They" won't vote Democratic.

I don't think that it makes much difference to "them." "They're" not going to vote for the Democratic candidate in any case. "They" are not going to vote for a woman or an African American or someone named Clinton or someone named Obama. "They" are not on our side, "they" are not our allies, and "they" are going to have to either vote for McCain (whom "they" hate as much or more than the Clintons) or stay home on election day.

[FlyingTiger]

21. Indeed. It's impossible to hate Hillary without also being racist. Everyone knows this.

I've heard that anyone who hates Hillary also eats puppies and children.

[LostinVA]

30. That's not what Yardwork said and you KNOW that

And, they're right: people who hate the Clintons because they are the Clintons in all probability WON'T vote an African American, either. Because, to them, it's not about policy, issues, or SEnate votes... it's because The Clintons killed Foster, had sex with Monica, trashed the White House, and raised an ugly daughter.

[yardwork]

35. Probably true. I'd believe it.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. correct, "they" won't vote for a black man

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. And "they" have beat "them" three times. Two elections and one attempted unconstitutional removal

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. And Hillary has won 2 SENATE ELECTIONS.

sheesh.

[NashVegas]

24. Their Hate Is An Endorsement, To Me

When I hear an RW shill say Obama (or anyone, for that matter) seems okay, that tells me they don't see him as a threat to their agenda.

[FlyingTiger]

26. True. I can never respect or admire anyone who disagrees with me in any way.

Just the other day one of my best friends told me that he liked vanilla ice cream more than chocolate, so I cut him out of my life forever.

[yardwork]

36. Sad for you. Carry on.

[robbedvoter]

27. 70% approval rate when Clinton left - haters are the bushies/freepers - a small minority

Half of them posting on this forum posing as Obama supporters. The other hslf - on MSGOP& rest of MSM

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. REMINDER!!!!! Bill Clinton left office with a 65% APPROVAL rating in the polls! The people LOVE him.

So, that argument doesn't wash. The only people that hate THEM are repukes who wouldn't vote Democratic anyway. People showing up to vote for Democrats have been double for that of repukes. Hillary will win BIG. Obama will LOSE.

[oviedodem]

34. I wish some of you could hear Tom Hartmann.

There is a guy (republican) basically telling you why republicans would CROSS OVER to Obama and why they could not possibly vote for Hillary in the GE under any circumstances.

Bottom line:

Hillary/McCain - Some would protest, many will force themselves to vote for McCain

Obama/McCain - A lot would cross over.

Need more proof?