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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:42 PM Original message |
Caucuses don't matter. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think caucuses are biased against working class people |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. hmm. seems they do matter for now! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. WTF does that have to do with my post? |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. take a fucking chill dude. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I'm not a dude, and I have no clue what you are talking about in the body of your post |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. notoriously |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Yes. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Of course, in the last week, I've also learned on DU |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Some caucuses allow for absentee voting, including Maine's caucuses today (n/t) |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Most caucuses only allow for that for military or very disabled people. |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I'm not a huge fan of them, but haven't we had them for a LONG time? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. We've also had the electoral college for a long time |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. They are not ideal, but it hasn't seemed to be a big deal for many people until now (n/t) |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. with HRC that is a self-fulfilling prophecy |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Hmm. one working class/poor town in Maine after another |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Some working class are politically inclined, this cannot be said for all of them. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Did that post say working class people don't care about politics? |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Tell that to the Mainers falling out in droves. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Like I said, many people may not be ABLE to AFFORD taking off work |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. It's a Sunday, so fairly a lot of people aren't working. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yes -- but that doesn't hold true for every caucus state |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Many states require time off to vote, including WA |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. In many states, it's unpaid time off |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'd be saying that they didnt matter if I were losing them too |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. NW-I really think this guy (p2ba) is |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. I think that's true of most of the professional Hillbots online and on the radio |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. these people are NOT our enemies |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. Yes, people are often nicer face to face, and in the "real world" - fortunately. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ha! They sure as hell matter in the delegate count. |
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BluegrassDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. Funny, you never said this after Nevada? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Translation: I'm pissed that HRC's ground game is shit. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Actually Nevada made provisions for some working people so the same criticism |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Right, HRC's crap ground game wasn't as big a problem there. She didn't think |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Lets just make them obsolete now!! |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. They might be |
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Tropics_Dude83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. What an outrageous thread |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. votes and primaries will matter |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. Murky Lurky Do, and Murky Lurky Dot. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
11. I wouldn't want to spend three hours in a room with Obama supporters. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. That's a great post. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. Ah. Another complaint from the Hillary camp. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. I just don't think these people are really |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. You could be correct, and I may be too quick to cast insults toward the Clinton supporters. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Please read my new thread i just posted |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks. Now go play with your blocks. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. Yes, they do. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. no they don't! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Your denial is delicious. BHO built a ground network. HRC didn't bother. It bit her in the ass. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. That might be true that Clinton ignored caucus states but it doesn't disprove the premise |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Rather, the fact that caucuses award delegates disproves the premise. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Mine did. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
25. They're not supposed to be representative of a general election |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
71. That is precisely why primaries should decide delegates |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Not necessarily. Party primaries tend to attract party faithful, |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. the caucuses of 2007 may be historical in the same way Florida and Ohio were in 2000 and 2004 |
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wellstone dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. In Maine, people could caucus absentee |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. That's slightly better in one area but nowhere near as representative as a primary |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
32. turnouts in caucuses have been record levels, besides Obama has won as many primaries as caucuses |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. The primaries he won mean something not the caucuses |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The caucuses mean something. You just don't like what they mean. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. Really? Actually they harken back to the direct democracy days of town meetings and such |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. Funny, that's not what you said in *this* thread: |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Oh Snap!!!! nice catch Mel |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. OMG LMAO |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. LOL! Good catch. |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. HAH! Game...set....MATCH! Melinda wins! nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. "Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
49. MORE sour grapes????? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. Ho hum. |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. But Michigan and Florida do? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
68. so true |
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TSIAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. People are proud to support Obama |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. Caucuses should be gotten rid of |
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