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Wed Feb-13-08 10:32 PM
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Both Barack and Hillary are inconsistent on their MI/FL and superdelegate positions |
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If you believe in playing by the rules of the game and not changing them or inventing new ones arbitrarily, then the legitimate position is to -
1) Oppose the Florida and Michigan delegations right to vote on the nominee
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2) Oppose this suddenly convenient notion that the superdelegates have to vote for whomever comes into the convention leading in pledged delegates.
Obama is correct on number 1 and incorrect on number 2.
Clinton is correct on number 2 and incorrect on number 1.
Both candidates, surprise, are doing what benefits themselves politically without regard to honor or integrity.
They both knew the rules of the game going in. Hillary should shut up about the FL/MI delegation and Barack should shut up about the superdelegates.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:33 PM
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Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 10:34 PM by hnmnf
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:48 PM
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2. You know, up until today I would have agreed. But I didn't know |
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that the gov. of FL and MI moved up the primary. I had thought it was the state dem party. Since both govs are Rep. then I totally disagree with the DNCs decision to strip them of their votes (unless they could have changed the date for dems., then fuck FL and MI).
However since it was done, and the DNC did tell the candidates not to campaign this is how I think it should go down:
either:
A) MI holds another primary/caucus and FL gets 1/2 their delegates seated and split according to the state vote.
B) Only FL is seated with 1/2 their delegates.
If you feel the DNC was unfair in stripping MI, then you should agree it would be equally unfair for DNC to allow delegates to only be seated for Hillary, therefore punishing Obama for complying with the DNC's (His/Her/OUR party)wishes and removing his name from the ballot. If MI doesn't deserve to be punished neither does Obama.
Since FL was uncontested I think it's fair that they only get 1/2 their delegates.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:54 PM
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4. There's not going to be a revote in either MI or FL |
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Both Levin and Nelson oppose the idea and I'm sure Granholm does too.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:54 PM
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5. But the Florida dems were all in support of this action. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 09:28 AM
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9. Still torn on that one, maybe seat 1/4 to 1/2 of them. Dunno. Hard call to make |
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when the actual person responsible was in the other party.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:55 PM
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6. Oh, and the Michigan Governor is a democrat. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 09:27 AM
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8. In that case, fuck em. Break rules, accept the punishment. If the voters don't like it, vote out the |
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Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:28 AM by RunningFromCongress
people who broke the rules.
THE DNC DIDN'T TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTE. THE PEOPLE WHO CHANGED THE PRIMARY DAY DID.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:49 PM
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3. And yes, super delegates should vote how they want. Don't like the rules? Change them for NEXT time! |
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Wed Feb-13-08 11:29 PM
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7. OK I know this is off subject.. |
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As I glanced through the titles and saw:
Both Barack and Hillary are inconsistent on their MI/FL and superdelegate positions
I skimmed it at first as:
Both Barack and Hillary are inconsistent on their MILF and superdelegate positions
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