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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:06 PM
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Larry Johnson has finally attempted to give"proof" to his
claims. At least he had the the common curtesy to print them now instead of leaving low fruit for the neanderthals. Now we can debunk and gain perspective on them berfore they get out of control.

Please read my response to LC.

And here is his latesthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html">Hit Piece on Obama.


I suppose that LC's slick job on Rashid Khalidi is in reference to his work at the Madrid Confrence in which the Spanish, US, and Russian governments sat to find a way to bring on a Middle East peace deal. He was tapped because the Isreali government refused to alow the PLO to directly participate.

As a Professor of Middle East history, who currently teaches at Columbia University, he would be a resource for anyone who would want a Palastinian perspective to compliment their understanding of the geo-political atmosphere in the Middle-East. It's called gaining foreign policy experience.

And Larry should check his copy of the Dallas Morning News if he wants to keep trying to sabatoge Obama's campaign. He may end up stuck with a candidate who is tied to an illegal nuclear technology trafficing syndicate, http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/02/key-clinton-backer-guilty-in-sibel.html">Mehmet Celebi; a HillRaiser. Secret, might I add that may now be a part of Iran's nuclear program.

Hate to have that possiable Clinton/Iranian nuclear program connection to become the sledge hammer that puts Mc Bush in office over Clinton's GE campaign.

Keep up the good work there sparkie!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:09 PM
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1. That was not a hit piece. It was a blueprint of the GOP game plan for the general.
Ignore it at your peril. Tell people what a bad guy LC is. Shoot that messenger.

They aren't going to remember who sounded the alarm once the GOP come after Obama with that shit.

Were the Swiftboaters telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Why no, they were not.

Did it MATTER???

:eyes:
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:31 PM
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5. No intention of ignoring this
to the contrary, get it out now so we can knock it down. This way, when the GOP try to drag this crap up, we can dispatch it most expeditiously.

Read the response link, I called him out to give us his "dirt on Obama".
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:34 PM
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6. It won't be that easy:
"This way, when the GOP try to drag this crap up, we can dispatch it most expeditiously." Ask John Kerry.


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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:35 PM
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8. I did, it took a week to get an answer.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:39 PM
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9. The RWers
aren't going to accept Obama's "boneheaded" response for his Rezko connection, so it won't matter how fast he responds to their attacks. They managed to damage a true war hero with lies, so I'm not convinced that Obama will survive intack either.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:57 PM
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10. I do see your point here
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 01:58 PM by ingin
but the electorate has become aware this time around about the 527 issue, which will be the conduit for any such attacks. The Rezko situation already has a well formulated response in place. John Kerry's downfall was, as is well documented, was his lag time in refuting the "Swift Boaters" campaign.

And don't forget, the only people listening to the right wingers are themselves. Everybody else has either shut them out, or have salt at the ready.

Speed kills: quick, well fromulated responese are our best defense.

And in light of the Dallas Morning News breaking the seal on US coverage about the Sibel Edmonds case Hillary seems better positioned (unfortunate use of term) to give us such a suprize in the GE.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:34 AM
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21. poor old Hillary would be crying her eyes out by now n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:11 PM
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2. Poor Larry
Will he abstain from voting when Obama is the nominee?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:13 PM
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3. Larry Johnson is obviously working for the Clinton campaign. Here are some links to counter his
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:09 PM by still_one
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/29/171056/015/838/445627


If he is working for the Clinton campaign, or not, I would like to have full disclosure just to satisfy my curiosity



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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:26 PM
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4. did it ever occur to you that maybe he is
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 01:26 PM by frogcycle
genuinely concerned about a McCain presidency?


I would happily accept Obama as president, but I know damned good and well that THE MACHINE will have a field day with him, based on its successful smearjobs that gave us gwb instead of Gore and Kerry.

And they'd also have fun with Clinton.

We had our chance, folks, and we blew it.

By the way, bush the other day made reference to Obama wanting to invade Pakistan and sit down with Ahmadinejad, so they are already starting.

oh, and your links are dead
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:35 PM
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7. I thought he said BOMB Pakistan, actually!!! nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:13 PM
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11. Thanks, I just fixed the links. No I do not doubt Larry Johnson's sincerity
and I have no idea whether he is with the Hillary Clinton campaign or not.

Even if he is, it would still not invalidate that he is concerned about a McCain presidency, and believes that Hillary would make a better president

I was just giving my PERSONAL views, and I appreciate yours



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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:22 PM
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12. there you go again...
:)


so your post that "he is obviously..." was personal view and you retract it to say you have no idea...

but then you say he "believes that Hillary would make a better president"

He didn't say that. I read his post. All I can find is that he believes Obama would get clobbered, and we'd get McCain. To the extent that he probably believes Hillary would be better than McCain, yes, that is no doubt true.

But unlike most of the hit pieces on both sides, it is NOT a smear of potential performance as POTUS; it is a discussion of electability, something that gets far too little attention amid all the euphoria.

Someone wrote months ago that when a Republican is elected in Nov '08 the Democratic Party will look back and say "how could we have not nominated Biden?"

I fear that will actually come to pass - regardless of which one gets the nod.



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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:32 PM
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14. There are only TWO nominees running on the Democratic ticket.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/12/all-in-for-hillary/

Funny, but the IWR resolution was a pretty big deal, and his criticism of her vote on that is pretty muted

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:39 PM
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15. but you still jump to conclusions
it is fair to say that his writings suggest she is the more viable candidate. You have evidence both that he is concerned about Obama, and that he seems to give HRC a pass on IWR. Fine. But you said he thinks she'd make the better president. He may have written that somewhere, and if so, feel free to so illustrate.

All I am asking is that people discuss facts and not make these leaps - that is a big part of all the rancor.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:41 PM
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17. you are a rare entity on this boards
A critical thinker
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:14 PM
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18. probably why I get ignored n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:36 PM
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19. I actually wasn't going to respond again, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, LOL /
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:27 PM
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13. You may deny the truths about Obama at your own peril.
Johnson is correct when he calls out Obama for his weaknesses.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:41 PM
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16. Here is William Ayers Blog
http://billayers.wordpress.com/

Draw your own conclusions.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:15 AM
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20. No one addresses all of LJ & MCM questions....Because you can't, they are valid & true...
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 03:25 AM by GreenTea
Don't just deny and insult, offer something for each of these very valid questions....

If you have drunk the Kool-Aid re: Obama (as have many of my dearest friends), you
will not like the following email, and may therefore reflexively dismiss it, or attack it.
Either one would be a grave mistake. If you care about what happens on Election Day,
you had better take these revelations seriously; for, whether you can handle them or
not, rest assured that the Republicans will handle them with all their usual ruthlessness
and skill. And once that happens, all the rapturous devotion that you're feeling at this
moment will not count for anything.

The point is not that these explosive facts will definitely sway enough of the electorate
to put "Bomb-Bomb" McCain behind the presidential desk. Rather, the point is that,
even if they don't sway the electorate in reality, they certainly will function as a handy
explanation as to why the once-"unbeatable" Obama was, against all odds, "defeated."
In any case, whether these facts really turn the tide, or only seem to do so, you had
better not just shrug them off, or lose your temper over them.

And let me add that this is not a tacit brief for Hillary Clinton, whom I think I've
criticized enough not to be charged with carrying water for her. I believe that she too
is eminently "beatable," especially by John McCain, in the same way that Obama is:
i.e., sufficiently weighed down with certain "negatives" that can be used to help
explain whatever fraud might be deployed to "beat" her. Moreover--and, in my
book, more important--her campaign has consistently employed the sort of vote
suppression tactics that we've properly deplored when the Republicans have used
them (and that I do not forgive).

So read this through, and try to keep your cool; because the last thing any of us needs
right now is even more irrationality.

MCM

No, He Can't Because Yes, They Will

By Larry Johnson on February 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM in Current Affairs

Obama's mantra, "Yes, We Can" is inspiring and heartwarming, but in the end is an empty phrase that will founder once the Republican political attack machine spins up. I realize that most Obamatons are so wedded to his vision of hope that any effort to point out the cracks in the foundation of the new Democratic Savior are met with fury and disdain.

If you think for a minute that the Republican party-who used Willy Horton on Michael Dukakis to devastating effect, who portrayed triple amputee and veteran Max Cleland as a bosom buddy of Osama Bin Laden, and convinced many voters that decorated combat veteran John Kerry was a fraud-will give Obama a pass come the fall then you are in serious denial.

But, unlike the attacks on Dukakis, Cleland, and Kerry, the ammunition that Obama has provided to his political foes is significant and deadly. But try telling that to Obama disciples. You get name calling and character assassination (just read the reaction to this piece). At the same time, Obama is treated with a reverence and fawning that I have never seen in my life for a political figure. Chris Matthew's sexual arousal (obviously he's a recovering latent homosexual) was over the top but, unfortunately, typical of the adulation heaped on Obama:

During MSNBC's live coverage of Tuesday's primary elections, after the speech of Barack Obama aired, Chris Matthews breathlessly expressed his admirationŠand extreme excitement for Barack Obama by saying "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often."

So, while Democrats engage in self-censorship and promote the worst kind of affirmative action pandering in promoting the myth of Obama, the Republicans are keeping mum and, like Brer Rabbit, begging not to be tossed into the briar patch and face the fearsome Obama. (Want to bet how many accusations of racism I will get for referring to Brer Rabbit?)

Obama's untested achilles heel is his relationship with three men-Tony Rezko, William Ayers, and Rashid Khalidi. These names will become shorthand for Corruption, Terrorism, and the Destruction of Israel. Oh yes, I know. I am going to extremes. Well, let me lay out the facts and explain how the Republicans will likely use these relationships to bludgeon Obama's Presidential aspirations into dust.

My challenge to you Obama supporters is to explain to me and other readers of this blog how Obama will defuse these issues.

The Tony Rezko Problem:

There is a growing body of material in the blogosphere on this issue (looseheadprop has an excellent overview), but the mainstream media has paid little attention and most Americans know nothing of Rezko's bribery and corruption trial. Not yet. But that will change starting 25 February, when Rezko goes on trial in Chicago. The best Obama can hope for is an acquittal or mistrial. He cannot deny his longstanding friendship with Rezko. A man who has played a significant role in raising funds for his political campaigns and a man who helped Obama and his wife get the home of their dreams.

But it is highly unlikely that Rezko gets off. He just got nailed for lying to the Judge about his alleged poverty and was promptly arrested for hiding millions of dollars overseas. And he is up against Patrick Fitzgerald. Pat Fitzgerald does not go to court unprepared and does not have a record of losing, particularly in Illinois. Remember, this is the guy who nailed Scooter Libby and the former Governor of Illinois. The boy plays to win.

When Rezko is convicted and, the details of the corruption and bribery charges are fleshed out and the public learns that Senator Obama got some of that dirty cash, do you really believe the public won't care that the Democratic nominee for President is involved with a convicted felon? Hell, this is a political attack ad that writes itself.

The William Ayers Problem:

William Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist, though he is normally described as a distinguished education professor. One does not necessarily rule out the other, but he himself acknowledges planting bombs in U.S. Federal buildings. There is now undeniable proof of a longstanding relationship between Barack Obama and William Ayers. We are not talking about two guys who just happened to bump into one another on the street. We are not talking about a secret admirer (Ayers) who quietly sent $200 to an aspiring politician.

No, we are talking about William Ayers hosting a fundraiser for Barack Obama and actively working with him to secure Barack's first electoral victory in Illinois. But wait, there is more. Barack and Ayers also served on the board of the Woods Fund. And they worked together to give money to some other folks, including a group with ties to the PLO.

What makes Ayers so toxic is his own written record equating U.S. Marines with terrorists. Look at the beating that John Kerry took for tossing his medals over the White House fence. Ayers did not toss medals, he threw bombs. Real ones. Bombs that exploded.

Do you think that Republicans will ignore Obama's ties to Ayers? The two were serving on the same board in 2002. We are talking less than six years ago and the record will come out showing some questionable grants by these two characters. William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton.

The Problem of Rashid Khalidi:

So far, the press has paid little attention to Obama's ties to Rashid Khalidi, Middle East Professor at Columbia University and PLO activist. An article in The Jewish Week from last year offers up this tantalizing tidbit:

Khalidi, now the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University, and head of that school's Middle East Institute, declined to comment on Abunimah's recollections. But in an interview in Tuesday's Daily News, he said he hosted the fundraiser because he and Obama were friends while the two lived in Chicago. "He never came to us and said he would do anything in terms of Palestinians," Khalidi told the paper.
Nevertheless, one Hyde Park source close to Obama, speaking only on condition of anonymity, recalled, "He often expressed general sympathy for the Palestinians - though I don't recall him ever saying anything publicly."

Obama has made his pilgrimage to AIPAC (funny, but in his campaign against special interests and their grip on Washington he gives AIPAC a pass) and worked to position himself as a friend of Israel. But the relationship with Khalidi has not yet received the white hot media attention that tends to occur during the dog days of July and August, when the press needs a story. And guess who helped broker the appearance of Iran's Ahmadinejad last summer at Columbia University? Professor Khalidi. New York Times had his reaction to the event:

Rashid Khalidi, a professor of Arab studies and director of the Middle East Institute at Columbia, said, "The tone from the host of an event was uncivil and uncalled for.
"The president of the university had every right to state his differences," he said. "That was more than acceptable. But I believe it was embarrassing to the university, frankly, that they should decide to invite him and then treat him in this manner."

Now, which Presidential candidate is calling for talks with Iran? You do not have to be Karl Rove or Lee Atwater to figure out how to tie Obama with Ahmadinejad using Obama's friendship with Khalidi.

I don't know what else is out there on Obama. Unfortunately, the worshipful, servile attitude of many Democrats and media personalities so far has hindered a tough look at Obama's friends and associates and his judgment. But that will come. What should concern Democrats keen on taking back the White House is whether or not these issues will be fully vetted before Obama is installed as the candidate. My guess is no.

And what do Republicans think? I only have anecdotal evidence. I asked an old friend, who served in law enforcement (I'll leave the particular agency out of it) for more than thirty years, about the William Ayers era. There are a lot of Federal agents who believe that Ayers is a terrorist who got away with his crimes and still owes a debt to society. My friend wrote the following to me today:

I think many of my friends believe Obama is beatable; however they concede that Clinton can win. Therefore, the thinking goes, WE hope Obama gets the Democratic nod and THEN flood the gates with information later.

Feelings of hope and inspiration about Obama will evaporate when the commercials tying him to a convicted felon slumlord, an unrepentant terrorist who hates the troops, and a Professor of Middle Eastern Studies who is perceived as a shill for the PLO. Oh, YES THEY WILL! YES, THEY WILL.


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