CLINTON BETRAYING the Democratic Party - Siding up with McCain and the republicans!!!

[Gnister]

I cant believe this! Clinton siding with the republicans. I'm starting to feel that somewhere some of us democrats has lost understanding of what is really important, i.e. beating the republican nominee in November.

When i read that Clinton joins in with McCain on these attacks I got really, really ANGRY.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4303783&page=1?click

Seems that the Clintons wont stop for nothing in order to get what they want. Siding with the republicans and changing the rules when it fits them. Give me a break somebody said a while ago.......well i think it is time for a certain campaign to take a break and really reflect on what they are doing....which is betraying the Democratic Party and ruining our chances in November.

Lets all join to beat republicans in November!!! No matters who our candidate will be we must unite and not attacking each other anymore and stop betraying our own party!

Democrat FIRST!

[Captain Hilts]

1. What about Obama lining up with Robert Novak against HRC? nt

[Gnister]

3. Last time i checked it's McCain who will be the republican candidate. Siding up with him is steeping

Last time i checked it's McCain who will be the republican candidate. Siding up with him is steeping over the line!

I can see that McCain is starting to do these attacks since he probably believes Obama will be his opponent in November. But that Clinton is helping him....that's simply outrageous and a betrayal!!!

[mondo joe]

25. How about 0bama just keep his word?

[Canuckistanian]

34. He promised to "aggressively pursue" an agreement

And since the nationals haven't started, does he have to show RIGHT NOW that he hasn't pursued it?

And do we know for sure that NO communication has taken place between his and McCain's camp?

This is a non-issue.

For NOW.

[mondo joe]

38. What's to pursue? Hasn't McCain already said he'd go with public finacing?

There's nothing to pursue: it's already offered.

[Submariner]

40. McCain is forced into public financing by the bank loan terms of his last

$1 million campaign loan. He foolishly locked himself in.

[mondo joe]

42. Not the point. Obama said he'd do it if the Repub did. Now the Repub is saying he will,

so how does Obama weasel out of it?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

70. both McCain and Hillary campaigns are broke or going broke. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

53. Exactly, Clinton is desperate

[SoFlaJet]

2. Again, Why does she care what an Obama campaign does

against the republican nominee? Why is she giving them talking points-she is trying to help herself BY HELPING McCAIN in case Obama wins for another run in 2012-it's so painfully and sickeningly obvious

[jody]

4. What about other Dem senators who oppose parts of the Dem platform? n/t

[Henny Penny]

5. So new and yet so radical....

is Obama's campaign really reduced to this????

[polpilot]

6. Pro-war Clinton and Pro-war McCain... McCain/Clinton '08

[Rosemary2205]

7. Enjoy your stay.

:)

[Gnister]

50. Stay positive in this race!

I just want us to stay positive in this race. I will support whoever will be our candidate!

[liberalnurse]

8. Well now you're a frisky little critter.

I'm looking forward to Post Number 12.

[golddigger]

15. Lmao...you crack me up liberalnurse.

:rofl:

[cbayer]

9. Ah gnister, we hardly knew thee. Bye. nt.

[TexasObserver]

10. It's the last desperate move of a dying DINOsaur.

go to the light, Hillary, not the darkness

[noamnety]

11. We really HAVE lost understanding of what is important.

"beating the republican nominee in November"

Is that REALLY what the election is all about? Did you want to rethink that a little?

[MethuenProgressive]

12. OP Spins!! The link title is: "Clinton Campaign Accuses Obama of Breaking Word"

Spinning an Obama LIE into an attack on Clinton? You guys are really desperate!!

[gerrilea]

23. The Obamite's don't care about the truth...just keep spinning!

Thanks for the great points here! About time people wake up...

[AX10]

55. They are intoxicated with kool-aid.

:puke:
It is sickening.

[IndianaGreen]

56. It was Clinton's Wolfson who said it

The story quotes the campaign. Is Hillary running her campaign, or is she AWOL like Bush?

[Tarc]

13. Logical fallacies seem to be a cornerstone of DU's Obama Team

X is a bad person
X believes in Y
Y is bad because X believes in it.
If you believe in Y, you are a bad person.

:puke:

[MagickMuffin]

14. As she stated last night McCain is her good friend

I also heard on the one of the cable news programs, she and McCain are drinking buddies:eyes:

[Kokonoe]

16. Clinton has never said SHE would accept public financing

if she were the Democratic nominee, even if the Republican candidate made that commitment.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Obama already said he would honor the public financing IF he is the Dem candidate.

Now being a LIAR is acceptable to Obama followers. Now I understand.

Win at all costs. Disenfranchise MI and FL voters by not letting them be seated. Do NOT allow Super Delegates to vote for their candidate of CHOICE...it must be Obama or else. Say you will accept Public Financing and when you see that you MAY be the candidate, backtrack and change your mind.....in other words, he LIED.

Now I understand.:eyes:

[TheDonkey]

18. and his opponent agreed as well. Can you read or just spread distortions?

made it very clear in the survey that it wasn't he'd take public financing NO MATTER WHAT but an option if his competitor in the GE also took public financing.

Keep grasping for fake outrage.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. RIGHT! and McCain has already SAID he would accept Public Financing.

He DID NOT say it was an option. WHERE in this quote do you see the word "option?" Stop lying.


"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

on edit: bad link...here's the right one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4609604

[TheDonkey]

27. he also said he would wait until he was nominee to make that decision

Unless Hillary has finally admitted to defeat this argument is moot.

[mondo joe]

29. Try reading.

In a questionnaire for the Midwest Democracy Network, the details of which were released on November 27, 2007, Senator Obama was asked: "If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in presidential public financing system?"

He answered: ""Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests."

But later in his answer he also said: "If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
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Where in that do you get that he'll wait until the nomination to decide?

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. They make it all up as we go along.

Nothing they say surprises me anymore.:(

[RememberWellstone]

19. How many Obama kids are there?

My God..these kids keep popping up out of the woodwork.

[oasis]

20. When Obama swiftboated the Clintons on race, everything began to get ugly.

:puke:

[AX10]

57. True.

[stillcool]

59. yawn....

..The Clinton.."I'm sorry"song

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation --

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[oasis]

66. Thanks but what has that to do with the Obama campaign's obvious swiftboat on race tactics?

[stillcool]

68. oh man...

Why do you think the Clinton's have had to apologize..over and over..and send Bill out to repair the damage they have done? Every time the campaign spews out that race stuff it comes back and slaps them in the face. I appreciate your effort and wish you great success with it. It seems to have done wonders so far.

[mondo joe]

21. The Obama fans started siding with Republicans against the Clintons. You have nothing

worthwhile to say.

[kipmurr]

24. Kerry actually asked McCain to be his VP

Why no criticism of him? The Obama camp welcomed his endorsement with open arms.

[ProSense]

32. Nonsense! Hillary is probably helping out a friend

Bill Clinton: John McCain and Hillary are 'very close'

[mondo joe]

33. Kerry certainly voted for the IWR. And said he'd do it again, even if he knew then what

he knew years later. But in his case, the Obama fanatics overlook it.

[ProSense]

36. Get the facts straight:

Kerry, unlike Hillary, spoke out against Bush several times before Bush invaded, including this speech at Georgetown University on Thursday, January 23, 2003:

As our government conducts one war and prepares for another, I come here today to make clear that we can do a better job of making our country safer and stronger. We need a new approach to national security - a bold, progressive internationalism that stands in stark contrast to the too often belligerent and myopic unilateralism of the Bush Administration. I offer this new course at a critical moment for the country that we love, and the world in which we live and lead. Thanks to the work and sacrifice of generations who opposed aggression and defended freedom, for others as well as ourselves, America now stands as the world's foremost power. We should be proud: Not since the age of the Romans have one people achieved such preeminence. But we are not Romans; we do not seek an empire. We are Americans, trustees of a vision and a heritage that commit us to the values of democracy and the universal cause of human rights. So while we can be proud, we must be purposeful and mindful of our principles: And we must be patient - aware that there is no such thing as the end of history. With great power, comes grave responsibility.

<...>

Second, without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War. Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies. When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a coherent call for Iraqi disarmament. And that made it possible for other Arab regimes to shift their focus to the perils of war for themselves rather than keeping the focus on the perils posed by Saddam's deadly arsenal. Indeed, for a time, the Administration's unilateralism, in effect, elevated Saddam in the eyes of his neighbors to a level he never would have achieved on his own, undermining America's standing with most of the coalition partners which had joined us in repelling the invasion of Kuwait a decade ago.

In U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the United Nations has now affirmed that Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing. But the burden is also clearly on the Bush Administration to do the hard work of building a broad coalition at the U.N. and the necessary work of educating America about the rationale for war. As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent action.

The Administration must pass this test. I believe they must take the time to do the hard work of diplomacy. They must do a better job of making their case to the American people and to the world.

I have no doubt of the outcome of war itself should it be necessary. We will win. But what matters is not just what we win but what we lose. We need to make certain that we have not unnecessarily twisted so many arms, created so many reluctant partners, abused the trust of Congress, or strained so many relations, that the longer term and more immediate vital war on terror is made more difficult. And we should be particularly concerned that we do not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the complications and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with United Nation's participation. And, while American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision, I say to the President, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger - and show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition. Mr. President, do not rush to war.

Kerry has never wavered in calling out Bush on his immoral war, and he led the effort to set a deadline for withdrawal.

Hillary Clinton's problem has been not only her silence, but also her inability to explain her position with clarity and consistency.

Also, where was Hillary when Bill was "repeatedly" defending "Bush against the left on Iraq"?

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

link

In the middle of the 2004 campaign to make Bush a one-term president (select) for his illegal invasion, Bill Clinton was defending him.

[mondo joe]

39. You keep ignoring the most basic facts: Kerry voted for the IWR and in 04 said if he knew

THEN what he knew in 04 he'd do the same.

There's your hero.

[ProSense]

41. No, wrong war! He did not vote for the war, and I said the problem with Hillary is not her vote it's

her failure to speak out strongly and her lack of clarity on the issue.

She has shown no leadership this issue.

[mondo joe]

43. Oh, I see - it's the not the vote. Because that's not convenient in this discussion.

Very well.

[karynnj]

65. It is 2008.

Does it count for nothing that in 2005 and 2006, Kerry took a lead in moving the country to demand a change in policy. Even before Kerry/Feingold, in October 2005, Kerry made the case that we should not be doing the search and destroy. He changed how many people viewed the war. HRC was against him the whole time.

In 2007, with a Democratic majority, Feingold/Reid, which contianed the ideas of Kerry/Feingold passed the Senate - but was vetoed. If a Democrat gets in, it will be people like Kerry and Feingold who provided them with the groundwork to change the policy.

[CorpGovActivist]

69. .

[karynnj]

64. Kerry has for years said he profoundly regrets that vote

He also spoke against invading before the invasion and with Feingold has led more than anyone else on working to find a path out. In fact, HRC is only now copying Kerry's words of 2006 that only knowing that we will not stay for ever will push Iraqis to make the hard decision that need to be made.

The Grand Canyon question you reference was in 2004 and Kerry likely did nbot hear the if he knew then part - and it was possibly not said - the medai was relaying a Bush question. There are hundreds of Kerry quotes near that time when he was saying he would not have gone to war and "wrong war".

[karynnj]

62. Kerry never asked McCain to be VP - according to both McCain and Kerry

There were talks initiated by people around McCain but it didn't go far. McCain played it up as either an ego boost or to create havoc.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. Oh Great. Like GDP Didn't Have Enough Trolls Already.

Welcome to DU blah blah enjoy it here blah blah look forward to hearing what else you have to say blah blah blah blah.

Thanks for your concern.

[cbayer]

28. DID ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY OPEN THE LINK?? WELL, DID YOU?

I place as much responsibility on those that kept this post going and recommended it (are you kidding me???) as the writer of the OP.
C'mon now. Don't let stuff like this suck you in. Please? For me?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. Read? Comprehend? Critical Thinking Skills? Methinks You're Asking Too Much Of The Morons.

Set your intellectual bar lower. You'll be less disappointed from them that way. :)

[cbayer]

37. I know, I know. But it just KILLS me to see people get baited like this.

I need to go outside. Is it day or night?

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[pinto]

44. The article you cite has nothing to do with "siding up with Rebulicans" as far as I can see.

Seems a standard primary back and forth among the two Democratic contenders.

:shrug:

[cbayer]

45. No, it does not. But look at the response and rec's. Unvelievable. n.t

[Gnister]

48. Stay positive!

The point is that our candidates shouldn't attack each other and instead stay positive!!!

[ProSense]

47. The problem is this is about the GE not the primary. She will not be running against Obama in the GE

Clinton hits Obama on funds

By: Mike Allen
Feb 17, 2008 12:44 PM EST

Clinton campaign officials said Sunday that heading into the climactic primaries on March 4, they will try to make a major issue of Sen. Barack Obama’s refusal to commit to spending limits in a general election.

“That’s not change you can believe in,” Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign’s communications director, said in a statement, playing off Obama’s campaign slogan.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has not committed to the spending limits, either.

Under the post-Watergate presidential public financing system, candidates from the major parties can receive a government grant to pay for their general election campaigns if they agree not to raise private funds.

Obama’s campaign is calling public financing an option. The campaign scoffs at the Clinton aide's complaint, saying it’s a moot point unless they’re conceding the election.

The Illinois senator said at a news conference in Milwaukee on Friday: “It would be presumptuous of me to say now that I’m locking myself into something when I don't even know if the other side is going to agree to it and I'm not the nominee yet.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the prospective Republican nominee, has agreed to the limits and last week began bashing Obama as a hedger.

link

Mr. Obama did not rule out the possibility of accepting public financing, but declared on Friday, “I’m not the nominee yet.”

“If I am the nominee,” Mr. Obama told reporters at a news conference in Milwaukee, “I will make sure our people talk to John McCain’s people to find out if we are willing to abide by the same rules and regulations with respect to the general election going forward. It would be presumptuous of me to start saying now that I am locking into something when I don’t even know if the other side will agree to it.”

Last year, Mr. Obama sought an advisory ruling from the Federal Election Commission to see whether his campaign could opt out of public financing in the primary season and accept it in the general election. It was merely an inquiry, he said, not a pledge to accept the financing.

link

Hillary and McCain both wrong. It's a little desperate and ridiculous!

Hillary and McCain both need to "Show Us the Money," which is relevant to the primaries.

[Cha]

46. clintons betrayed the Democratic

Party a long time ago..this is just another nail cementing their betrayal.

[Thrill]

49. Pathetic. But this is what is expected

[eShirl]

51. ok, I'm leaning toward Obama but I'm going to have to put you on ignore

[IndianaGreen]

54. That's one beautiful cat!

I am a cat person myself. :-)

[cooolandrew]

52. Yep, this is my doubt with theClintons they're far too cosy with the GOP these days.

[NJmaverick]

58. Sadly there is no way I could ever vote for her

You know for years I could never understand why the Clintons inspired such hatred. After all his policies were moderate, the Country did very well during his presidency. So why was there such venom and hate directed at them? Well I guess I am guilty of looking the other way. Consciously or unconsciously I didn't pick up the fact that they were employing the same tactics (be it less refined and not as dishonest) as Karl Rove. I was able to clearly see those refined tactics in Rove. It was something that angered me beyond belief. I felt those tactics were dishonest, unethical and immoral. I honestly felt those tactics hurt the Country and I have publicly stated as much.
Wouldn't I be a major league hyporcrite if I suddenly changed my views on these tactics? How can I have spent years saying how bad these tactics were, and then suddenly turn around and say they are OK because a Democrat is using them? The Clintons and her supporters are acting exactly as Bush and his supporters acted. There is no difference other than the R is now a D. I didn't engage in politics for personal gain or a lust for power. I wanted the Country to be better. I wanted it freed from the right wingers and the way they did things. While there is little doubt Hillary will be more liberal than George Bush, I see little reason she will be any more honest or ethical. These traits matter to me, maybe I am an idealist, but I have to think that my voice matters. It matters enough that I have to send a message to the candidates and their supporters that politics, as usual, is no longer acceptable. It's perhaps the biggest reason I am supporting Obama. He is has Carter's ethics and honesty combined with Reagan's leadership and charisma (even if he led the Country in the wrong direct, there is no arguing his ability to lead). He is what I want in a president.

[grantcart]

60. desperation

[PretzelWarrior]

61. K&R!!!! way to go!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

63. b..b..b.but I thought that was Obama's styck...the fucking nerve of her

[jconner27]

67. I'll pass

Funny from what's coming out of Obama's mouth and what I see from the cult of Obama u guys seem to be cutting and pasting Republican talking points from the 1990s.

I rather stay home and watch the Obama cult lose.