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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:15 PM
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3 more troops were killed as a result of Hillary Clinton's complicity
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:57 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
3963

She, along with dozens of other Democrats who allowed George W. Bush to go to war. But only she is the one running for president right now, which is why I focus on her in the title.

Vote Obama.

EDIT:
Imagine if I replaced "Hillary Clinton's complicity" with "George Bush's evil".

Which partisan Clinton supporter here would be outraged?

The truth is hard to swallow, but I'm tired of seeing outrage over idiotic things like Obama's plagiarism or Clinton's Rovian tactics or Florida's delegates or any other of the dozens of things people are getting themselves worked up about here. Iraq seems to have been completely forgotten by everyone.

Not me.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:16 PM
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1. Stop it
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:17 PM
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2. We're trying to.
That's why we're voting for Obama.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:17 PM
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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32. You are advocating sposal abuse and violence. You are probably in the wrong forum.
I'm nearly certain of it, as a matter of fact.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:18 PM
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4. And as long as BO continues to vote to fund the war, offer nothing bold
to end it, the blood is on his hands...by your reasoning.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:19 PM
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5. dear hypocrite: barack obama votes to support and fund the war
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:21 PM
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6. I don't disagree
But there is a difference between Obama's vote to fund and Clinton's vote to authorize. One is clearly worse.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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19. I am sure the murdred Iraqis will miss the fine point on you spin
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:27 PM
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23. Dead men tell no tales.
And dead women.

And dead children.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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21. Are either of them standing on the Senate floor trying to stop this war?
No?

It's the same then.

They both have jobs where they can do something about this and save lives Now.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:44 PM
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47. It's not exactly the same
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:44 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
While I completely disagree with the Democrats who continue to fund the war, I'm forced to admit that they do have somewhat of a point when they say that not funding it would only endanger the troops more.

But the ones who helped start the war in the first place have no excuse whatsoever. They were cowards and enablers and they ought to be held accountable for their actions.

In the end, you have a choice between Clinton and Obama.

Both continue to fund the war. One also authorized it and refuses to admit the mistake. The choice between bad and worse is clear. I choose bad.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:22 PM
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10. Incorrect on two accounts.
1. Voting to start the war is not the same as voting to fund body armor and other supplies, and 2. Obama's been voting against the funding.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:49 PM
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49. Voting for funding to protect troops in a war that they were put into by the IWR
is not the same thing as supporting and funding the war


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:21 PM
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7. You're using three dead American troops to make cheap points on an Internet bulletin board??
You disgust me.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:22 PM
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9. Really? It disgusts you?
You'd think that the ones responsible for those deaths would disgust you more.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:27 PM
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24. You're not fit to clean the latrines used by those men.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:50 PM
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69. !
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:22 PM
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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17. Here.


Enjoy your stay.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:30 PM
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:34 PM
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38. Thank you, mods for tombstoning this one. (nt)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:23 PM
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12. This from the guy posting pictures of a defecating cow.
It's a shame you're not disgusted by the war.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:30 PM
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30. Bull, not "cow"
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:33 PM by MethuenProgressive
But I wouldn't expect the likes of you to know the difference.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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35. Let's face it...
if you gave a shit about ending the war you wouldn't be doing what you're doing.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:23 PM
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13. How is that a cheap point? Or is alleged plagarism substantive, and dead soldiers a cheap shot?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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33. plagarism = the lives of three men?
You need a dose of real world, pal.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:32 PM
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37. Glad you agree!
So we're on the same page now, I presume.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:37 PM
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39. No kidding.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:40 PM
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43. You agree only a piece of shit would use the deaths of three men to make petty DU points?
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:40 PM by MethuenProgressive
Yes, I agree only a piece of shit would use their deaths like you did.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:49 PM
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50. I'm not "using" anything
Apparently bringing the deaths of these three people to your attention is something you find distasteful. Maybe we should all just close our eyes and plug our ears and chant "la la la la la!" about it.

But the fact is that there is a choice between two candidates. Both continue to fund the war. One also authorized it and refuses to acknowledge that it was a mistake. That one's actions has consequences. I will reiterate what I said to another poster above that the choice is between bad and worse. I choose bad.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:54 PM
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54.  "3 more troops were killed as a result of Hillary Clinton" You're not fit to dig their graves.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:59 PM
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57. Go read my edit
I doubt you would care had I put "George Bush" in the title.

The truth hurts.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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36. Thank you
It's amazing the way people prioritize the importance of things when they're blinded by partisanship.

I'm not an Obama fan nor have I ever been. But If I have to choose between a plagiarist and a war enabler, why would I choose the war enabler?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:22 PM
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8. I'm sure you have the video of her burying IEDs in Baghdad.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:23 PM
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14. my gawd!! This post needs to be alerted. --using deaths to make political points Shame on you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:24 PM
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:26 PM
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22. And just what the fuck do you know? Very little, obviously.
The rules on DU are posted and available. Please read them before you presume to lecture any DU'ers on the use of the board.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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16. Yes, shame on ME
No shame on Clinton and all the other cowards that call themselves Democrats who allowed this to happen in the first place.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:51 PM
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70. Yes. Clinton And The Democrats Are Cowards. Oh You're Just So So Smart Lyny Skyny.
My god, do you stink up the place.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:25 PM
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18. I thought we had found the bottom of the pit
of cheap political discourse.

Apparently not.

:eyes:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:27 PM
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26. "I'm against the war but here's $100 billion to keep it going" nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:27 PM
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25. and that is the point, why should someone be rewarded for making that judgement on the IWR
and still not saying it was the wrong thing to do.

Instead, saying she was misled by the administration

The truth is, THEY NEVER NEEDED the IWR for bush to go into Iraq, but what the IWR did do was invalidate the War Powers Act, which effectively removed Congressional oversight from Congress over this administrations waging of the war, and THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE


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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:29 PM
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27. Alerted. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:41 PM
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thanks, i did also
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:53 PM
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51. As did I.
DUbamas constantly insult our mods and admins by ignoring:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:29 PM
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28. This is Bush's war.
No matter who becomes the nominee, it is Bush's war and all Democrats have to make that clear.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:38 PM
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40. Bush could have gone to war WITHOUT the IWR, but what the IWR did
was invalidate the War Powers Act, which effectively removed Congressional oversight in the administration's waging of the war

That IS THE PROBLEM, and that is WHY that vote was SO BAD, and why there were many Democrats WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR IT


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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:38 PM
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41. We need to reject that talking point
because the democrats - including Clinton and Obama - gave him what he needed to go to war, and continue to do so. That they both rejected one recent funding bill while running for president does not negate the part they played in this. Both of them have been hypocritical, both of them have talked a good game about what a dumb war it is while continuing to throw my money at it.

Neither of them has expressed any remorse over the sanctions which killed as many Iraqis, and the sanctions were not Bush's genocide.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:30 PM
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29. You must not need my vote.
I really haven't chosen a candidate, but I really am disgusted when either side chooses to make a point like this. If Obama chooses Clinton as the Vice Presidential partner, how will you vote for Obama?

Further, Obama may not do what you are expecting. What if he chooses to side with the military?

That's why I'm having a tough time. I don't think that either candidate is that committed to changing America. As our middle class becomes poorer, drastic changes are needed. I don't hear the sound of John Edwards coming from Clinton or Obama.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:39 PM
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42. I just don't understand the disgust
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:39 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
Why does it disgust you when someone points out the reality of the situation?

With all the false outrage around this forum regarding plagiarism, or one's speaking style, or race baiting, or sexism, or any other number of things people use to make "points" regarding a candidate, why should people dying be off limits?

Is it all too uncomfortable to deal with? I say tough, because it's reality.

I see people say they alerted this thread. Apparently they can't handle the truth.

Open your eyes, people. Where did the outrage over Iraq go? Does nobody care anymore?
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:42 PM
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46. Still the question is: How can you vote for Obama if Clinton is his VP?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:41 PM
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45. The IWR removed Congressional oversight of the executive branch on waging the war
That WAS THE PROBLEM with the IWR. bush could have gone to war anywhere on his own, without Congress, but it was the IWR which over-rode the War Powers Act which is the problem


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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34. She also trusted Bush with Iran, giving the green light to bomb it
Hillary can't be trusted as Commander-in-Chief because rather than exercise restrain, she will be itching to show she can be as cruel as Bush.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:40 PM
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44. Will she apologize soon?
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:47 PM
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48. So why did Obama endorse Kerry & Rice?
Obama campaigned in 2004 for John Kerry, who voted for the war. I didn't see him questioning Kerry's "judgment" then. But he questions Hillary's judgment now? Obama voted twice for Condi Rice, Once in the Senate Foreign Relations committee to endorse her confirmation as Secy of State and again in the Senate to confirm her nomination in 2005. He voted to continue funding the war, not exactly a rebel when it comes to standing up for what he claims to believe. No one's hands are clean. There's enough "blood" to go around for all.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:56 PM
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55. Not the same thing, the IWR essentially over-rode the War Powers Act
which was why so many Democrats voted against it, and even though both John Kerry and John Edwards voted for it, and even though they both said it was a mistake, why should anyone who voted for that legislation be awarded the presidency?

The War Powers Act provided the Congressional oversight necessary against this administration and the Iraq war, and the IWR effectively undid all that


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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:51 PM
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60. That still doesn't explain Obama's judgment
in endorsing Kerry, or voting for Rice or continued funding of the War itself.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:54 PM
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52. for what?? --
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:54 PM
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71. she better
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:54 PM
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53. Obama voted exactly like Hillary since he has been in office...he is no different
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:58 PM
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56. Like I said in many replies above....
There is a big difference. Both continue to fund the war. One also authorized it.

Bad and worse. Make a choice.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:00 PM
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58. DENYING OBVIOUS IRAQ WAR REALITIES ONLY KUCINICH WILL ACKNOWLEDGE
DENYING OBVIOUS IRAQ WAR REALITIES ONLY KUCINICH WILL ACKNOWLEDGE



But the main reason I sat out the Obama dance was that I knew too much about the Senator’s slippery centrist record and agenda to play along with the progressive, humanitarian and populist pretense (See Street 2004 and Street 2007a-2007e).



Take the war question The Senator got his Iowa City audience nicely worked up about the 3300 US troops killed because of the George W. Bush administration’s failed policy in Iraq. Good for him.



But I’ll be damned if he said one word about the 700,000 Iraqis killed so far because of the criminal U.S. invasion. Of course, this is a problem with all of our major party presidential candidates except Dennis Kucinich (see Dixon 2006) as far as I can tell. During the first Democratic presidential candidate debates last night on MSNBC, it was left to Kucinich alone to dare to acknowledge the vastly larger number of Iraqi dead.



Did I say “criminal U.S. invasion?” Obama never acknowledges that Bush committed the supreme international crime when he launched “Operation Iraqi Freedom” (O.I.F): an unprovoked war of aggression. In past foreign policy speeches and in his ponderous, power-worshipping campaign book The Audacity of Hope (New York: Crown, 2006), Obama O.I.F. an “error,” a “mistake,” a “blunder,” a “dumb war” and “the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.” He refuses to admit what the rest of the world knows: it was and remains a monumentally criminal war (Street, 2007b).



Last night on MSNBC, it was left to Kucinich to call for the impeachment of executive branch officials for deceptively leading the U.S. into the criminal invasion of Iraq.



Obama even claims that war was motivated by a well-intentioned desire to “impose democracy” (Obama 2006, p.317; Street 2007b). This is a childish fairy tale. Most of the world, including the great majority of Iraqi people, knows very well that O.I.F. was fought to deepen the United States’ imperial control of Middle Eastern oil. It would be more appropriate to go with the acronym “O.I.L.,” substituting the world “Liberation” for “Freedom” (Street 2007f). It was left to the officially marginalized Kucinich alone last night to acknowledge that U.S foreign policy in the Middle East is “about oil.”





A PRO-WAR RECORD



Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:



“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars...Roll call 2”



“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”



“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”



“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107”



“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109



“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”



“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”

“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”



“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”



“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater.



“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”



“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”



“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”



“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”



“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174



“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181



“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”



“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .



9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239



“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”



“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”



“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272



“Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 ...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”





Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.



Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).



In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).



Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).





And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”





IMPERIAL REFOCUSING



Obama made a big deal in Iowa City about the need to rally support for Congressional legislation claiming to impose a timeline on the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq. But the legislation Obama and his Democratic colleagues in Congress are sending up for Bush’s certain veto gives the administration the money it needs to continue and expand the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and possibly to initiate an assault on Iran. It funds Bush’s audacious, democracy-defying Surge (escalation) to the supplemental tune of $124 billion – considerably more than the White House actually requested.



The bill subjects the Iraq government to the same “benchmarks” that Bush announced in his nationally televised escalation speech of January 10, 2007. The “benchmarks” include passage of an imperialist and neoliberal petroleum law. Hidden beneath largely diversionary language about “revenue-sharing” across Iraq’s regions, this law is designed to subject Iraq’s stupendous oil reserves to domination by Western capital and the American Empire (Juhasz 2007; Gupta 2007; Street 2007g).



The “withdrawal” envisioned by Congress only removes combat troops. In the names of “diplomatic protection,” “counter-terrorism,” and the “training and advising of Iraqi Security Forces” (translation: OIL protection), it leaves U.S bases and forces in Iraq for an indefinite period. However much they claim to oppose permanent military bases in Iraq, Obama and other leading Democrats within and beyond Congress embrace an American military presence in Iraq for decades to come (Gerson 2007; Street 2006; Street 2007g).



The troops to be moved out of Iraq under Congress’ proposed legislation would not actually “come home.” Congress’ “antiwar” plan re-deploys GIs from Iraq to other parts of southwest Asia, reflecting the belief that U.S. forces have been over-focused on Iraq in a way that is dysfunctional for the broader and (Democrats think) noble project of U.S. dominance in the oil-rich Middle East (Smith 2007; Gerson 2007; Everest 2007). Antiwar and anti-imperial sentiments have not seized the day in Congress.



Obama can talk all he wants about how O.I.F. is diverting funds and focus from pressing domestic needs. He and other Democratic Party leaders are at least equally concerned with diversion and distraction from the larger and related projects of U.S regional and global dominance – projects they may embrace more intensely than the Republicans right now (Smith 2007).



As David Gerson noted in a recent commentary on Obama’s latest major foreign policy address (to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs last Monday), Obama’s plan” for a “phased” and “responsible” withdrawal is “a reaffirmation of U.S. hegemony in the Middle East and of the use of Iraq as a ‘host’ for U.S. military bases.” It could “leave tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq”(Gerson 2007).
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:06 PM
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59. Too bad about that war...
it wouldn't have to be funded if it was never waged in the first place.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:52 PM
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61. Very unfair. Obama is equally complicit.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:54 PM
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62. Man
and people complain when Bush politicizes soldiers' deaths.

This thread is despicable.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:54 PM
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63. K&R!!!! way to go!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:58 PM
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64. 3 more troops were killed as a result of Barack Obama's votes...
to continue fully funding the war.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:41 PM
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65. Obama nailed it when he said; "Hillary will be Bush-lite". all will haer is
how long it took from the previous administration to get us whweree we're at and don't expect a cure overnight - more like, see me in 8 years folks...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:43 PM
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66. you are truly pathetic
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:47 PM
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67. "Squawk! I'm A Parrot!" "Squawk! IWR IWR" "Squawk! She Voted She Voted IWR IWR" "Squawk"
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 09:51 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
God this OP is beyond stupid, melodramatic, and disgusting.

You're just a flamebaiting ignoramus who only serves to stir up shit. And don't tell me I'm the same, cause my shit stirring is because of being on the HONORABLE side of things, whereas your assholery comes from a place of no honor or integrity. Your posts are bullshit as is your message. So damn transparent.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:47 PM
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68. The Iraq AUMF didn't appropriate a dime. Democrats are equally as complicit since we took over
Congress and continued to hand blank checks to Bush.
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