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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:06 PM Original message |
"It Takes a Village" was ghostwritten for Hillary Clinton by Barbara Feinman |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Can you substantiate that please? (nt) |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Link |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Ooops |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Here's my two cents |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Wikipedia is your source? c'mon |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. The wikipedia article contains references. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Still not a good source - read this... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. I think using that argument is lazy. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
113. hilary doesn't give anyone any credit |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
117. . |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Straight from the horse's mouth: |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. hahaha! don't you just love this Boomerang Shit? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. Pls see the below mentioned URL for some additional laughs |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
55. Game, set, match. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Thank you. |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
74. Just read the article from your link |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
102. may be in poor taste, but not plagiarism; she had *permission* to use the writer's work. theft vs. b |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Here's a link: |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Ouch! |
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nomorewhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. "YES WE WILL" "I am the candidate for CHANGE" Original thoughts, all of them. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Glass house. Stones. Never a good idea. nt |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. chromed tool steel boomerangs with razor edges are even worse. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Oh dear .... |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. Link? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. cite links and proof please. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I would check out reply #8 here in the thread |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. ghostwriting and plagiarism are NOT the same thing. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. plagiarism is taking someone else's work and claiming it as one's own |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. in view of the fact that the publisher acknowledged ms. feinman, that charge does not hold. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Hillary and the White House denied the book had been ghostwritten |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. The Clinton campaign isn't trying to get down to those fine points |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. Ghostwriting and claiming the work as your own |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
103. exactly. O folks are either ignorant or making deliberately false charges. so much for the new tone. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. link |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. SNAP |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. WOW.. Pot, meet Kettle! |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. It Takes A Village... To Attack Barack! |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. I think you're right.... listen.... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. LOL |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. do you even understand ghost writing?..do you? |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Do you understand plagiarism? It's not the Clintons' job to decide this. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. i haven't posted anything about plagiarism |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
97. That is true! |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. That's from the ghostwriter's perspective; Hillary was claiming authorship. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Feinman complained over the lack of acknowledgement by Hillary |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. her complaint doesn't make it plagiarism |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. It is plagiarism if Hillary claimed to be the sole author of the book |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. no, it doesn't |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
77. No, it isn't. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. None of this has anything to do with plagiarism. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. i agree with you...the accusation is as ridiculous as this one |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. I disagree this one exception. |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Fine, then Obama got a small part of his speech from a Ghost Talker.. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. do you even understand hypocrisy?..do you? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. Normally, the claimed author of a ghostwritten piece is not considered a plagiarist. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. if you understand any legal aspects of ghostwriting you would not SPOUT off such nonsense. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. The author complained that Hillary did not even acknowledged her contribution |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. You do not understand legal aspects yourself, but you never stop spouting. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Yeah, why won't Hillary release her tax returns? |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
25. Kick ? Wailing and gnashing of teeth soon to begin.. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. You don't know the meaning of plagiarize. n/t |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. You do know what a ghostwriter is, don't you? You pay them. Plagiarism is fraud and theft. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Now now, we don't need pesky facts in an Obamite thread |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Well, I don't see anyone claiming that Obama frauded or stole any lines or ideas from them.. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. No, plagiarism is not fraud or theft. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. "Plagiarism is not a crime"? You need to google up a better pretend-to-be-a-lawyer-online website. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Yes, I am a lawyer |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Using your Google the first thing that pops up: |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. the challenge was to find something |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
108. The law's concern is not about plagiarism, but protecting copyright, and protecting profit. |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. And "Profiles in Courage" was written by Ted Sorensen. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. Desperate attempt to get Obama out of his pickle. I guess you had to try. |
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Metric System (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
34. Ha! This is hilarious. Obamaniacs don't even know what a ghostwriter is!!! n/t |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
106. well, most of them aren't even old enough to drink. nt |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
35. BREAKING NEWS - Hillary's "Village" voted overwhelming for Obama! |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. ergo, villages are now no longer significant. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
82. Bill Maher |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
38. I guess on the Green Underground ghost writing means something different than the rest of the world |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Green Underground |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
40. Don't know about plagiarizer, would bald faced liar work? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thank you, IG. This is the problem with being a hypocrite. It will bite you on the a$$ someday. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. the plagiarism meme is as false as this one |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
73. There will be some delay as the shills get faxes emails etc. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
49. A 2001 article by Al Hunt on Hillary, including the part about the book |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. I just wonder why people want someone like this |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
57. I don't care that someone else wrote the goddamn screed |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
59. Here is Barbara Feinman's own account of It Takes a Village |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. It is Clinton's pattern. Never admit a mistake. |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
66. kick |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
70. It Takes A Phony |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
72. When you've paid someone, it's not plagiarism. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. It is when you misrepresent what happened |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
100. Ghostwriting |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
109. No, it's still not plagiarism. It's unethical, but it is not plagiarism. nt |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
84. As recently as Jan 3 2008 Hil took full credit for writing that book |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. That's our "girl!" |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. she wont release her finances either |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. All candidates release their tax returns, except Hillary. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
88. Oh, dear. An Inconvenient Truth. n/t |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
89. So is giving a speech written by a speechwriter plagiarism? |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Last time I checked it was not standard practice to credit your speechwriter |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
92. The Empress Has No Clothes! |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
94. It takes a village to have an idiot! n/t |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
95. K&R!!!! way to go! |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
96. Oh.....SNAP! nt |
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Ladyinblack (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
98. Been around forever |
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Ladyinblack (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. It is an African Proverb |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
101. "It Takes a Company Town" woud've been the title if Sen. Clinton wrote it. nt |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
104. Oh, I remember that story. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
105. Nothing escapes the eye of IndianaGreen. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
107. It Takes a Village to cover up Hillary's plagiarizing an entire book. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
110. Doesn't anyone know the difference between a ghostwriter or speechwriter and |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Yes, I know the difference. She's a plagiarizer and he isn't. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
111. Uh, here is another version....... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. delete |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
115. Very true |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
116. FUCK! Knock it off. Are you democrats or fucknuts? |
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