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Wed Feb-20-08 12:43 AM
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"Superdelegate Intervention Theory" is flawed |
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I have seen many posters tonight that feel the superdelegates will step in and force out the Clinton's, and they will appeal to them to drop out for the good of the party. I feel there are two flaws in this theory:
1) The Clinton's don't give a damn about the party, they want Hillary in the White House. So that argument will fall on deaf ears, and they will ride this all the way to the bitter end and destroy the party if they have to. And they are so convinced she is the better candidate they won't see what they're doing as destructive.
2) The Superdelegates won't stand up to the Clinton's individually. They fear retribution and being frozen out of power if she makes a comeback, and there is no single Superdelegate that will "unite the clans" and be their spokesman. And they have a lot of powerful supporters in the superdelegates that can make persuasive arguments for them. Pelosi and Gore have been floated, but make no mistake, the Clinton's still run the Democratic Party. The party is the Establishment, she is the Establishment Candidate. No one in the Democratic leadership of the DNC was appointed without their tacit consent or approval, no one in the party leadership in Congress is there without their tacit approval, so therefore, they probably still feel that this is her nomination to lose.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:45 AM
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1. Super delegates will not override Obama's lead |
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No way, no how... they're not that stupid.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:50 AM
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The Clinton's hold a lot more sway behind the scenes than you think.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:52 AM
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4. Nah, you're wrong. They DON'T have the ability to win more superDs. |
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And you're wrong about the intervention.
You're new to the Democratic party, aren't you?
They are already working on getting a group to send to talk to her.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:01 AM
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10. So explain why Hillary has lost 13 or so super-delegate commitments in the last 2 weeks (nt) |
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:56 AM
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8. It has nothing to do with smart vs. stupid. The corporate power machine doesn't really |
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care which party wins as long as it is a good little corporate lackey. The Democratic (big D only) machine may well give the nod to Sen Clinton and to hell with the grass-roots voters. The reason for the super-duper-delegate system is to insure that the stupid rank and file don't get out of line. They know best. You will be allowed to vote, but it just may not count. Kinda like the Washington the state primary.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:51 AM
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3. I disagree - part of their hold is based on fear, and fear is fading |
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the shoe is on the other foot now, and SDs can put the Clintons down if they want to. they won't do it individually - they'll check in with each other first and then do it one by one. Things like Pelosi's recent statements, and even Schumer and Rangel's recent statements, will give them enough cover to act.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:11 AM
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16. An old lion is king of the pride, then one day a young lion shows up, and it's over for the old lion |
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No one is scared of the old lions, Hill and Bill, any more. They're viewed now as old, toothless lions who aren't to be feared because they can't do diddly any more.
And guess what? Most of the true party warriors are glad to see them get body slammed.
They are DONE.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:52 AM
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5. I have a different scenario that it will be lead by her own SDs |
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Specifically by the AA that jumped in too soon and now find that they have 0% support in their Black districts.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:54 AM
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6. Clinton will drop out well before the convention |
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She is a woman of honor and integrity. If she refuses to drop out, the superdelegates will make sure she drops out.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:54 AM
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7. That's now how it works. They don't ask her to quit they say "we're voting for Obama... |
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because unless you win TX,PA, and OH by HUGE margins, which you won't, then you are the unpopular candidate"
It's a simple matter of eliminating the last possible way for her to get the nomination.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:02 AM
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12. Why would she want to drop out when there's still lots of |
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people to vote. I'm sick of you people wanting to call the election off before it's over. Not everyone has voted. We are just as entitled to vote as you are. I'll tell you one thing if anybody trys to force anybody out before the election is over McCain will have no problem getting in.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:07 AM
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15. Oh, gee. Ignore is working again. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 01:07 AM by JVS
I vote in PA.
The desire is for the disgusting last ditch smear attempts that a doomed candidate lashes out with to be halted, lest they damage our chances in Nov.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:59 AM
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9. Gov. Wilder issued a warning |
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Gov. Wilder has come out and said that if the Clintons attempt any power play to steal the nomination from Barack, that the Barack team will go out into the streets at the convention, and out-do 1968 in Chicago. That's quite a threat to the Clinton establishment.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:01 AM
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11. Clinton's SD's don't seem to have a problem standing up to her individually, |
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Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 01:02 AM by billyoc
as they're publicly jumping ship by twos and threes. And as far as the Clintons running the Democratic party, that's ridiculous. Howard Dean would have about as much chance of being the DNC chair as I would if that were true. :eyes:
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:03 AM
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13. #2) many SD have already flipped from her to him, also if you get enough SD pledged to hit 2025 it |
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may be enough to force them to see that they lost.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:04 AM
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14. Your premise is wrong |
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:20 AM
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17. Another paid shill for the apostrophe companies -- |
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:23 AM
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18. Per MSNBC,it turns out Obama raised $36M in Jan, not $32M |
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that's late news, I guess, but has to have an impact on how SDs feel.
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