Hillary supporters, let me put it to you this way

[XemaSab]

JUST IN CASE Hillary fails to pull it off and Obama is our nominee, wouldn't you prefer that our nominee not go into the general election sporting tar and feathers from a person within the democratic party?

Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment was "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

This is how they've managed to stay cohesive as a group for the last 30 years. Okay, Bush broke the rule back in 2000, but he's an asshole anyway. Do we really want to be like that? I mean, hell, Bush's slander against McCain may cost them the presidency this year because Republicans still remember some of the vitriolic comments that were made.

If I see an ad between now and November accusing Obama of plagiarism, I'm going to be really pissed. I'm going to be extra pissed if it costs us the election. I'm even going to be pissed if it costs us the election in 2012 or 2016.

Let's save our vitriol for the Republicans, mmmkay? :shrug:

[niyad]

1. then tell him to lay off, as well--that whole "feeling down" thing was, to say the least,

ill-advised, and reminds many of us of the whole "women can't be president, ceo, etc. because of their mood swings" crap we have heard for eons.

[sniffa]

39. I know, especially when he then continued to drone on about

cramps, and mood swings, and whoever this Aunt Flo Rodham person is.

[Cha]

56. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[SKKY]

59. See, I took that to mean feeling down, as in the polls...

...I seriously didn't think he was talking about her demeanor. :shrug:

[CitizenLeft]

97. totally agree

That's exactly what I thought too. And it's true, it's even a standard campaign strategy - when you're down in the polls, you attack. That's all the media talked about for an entire month - how does Obama catch Hillary? He must attack. I don't at all understand the distortion of that comment into some "period" or "hormonal" comment. It just wasn't.

[Alexander]

71. Quite a stretch. Someone could be "feeling down" after 10 losses in a row.

In fact, I suspect that's how any candidate would feel, man or woman.

You just want to pretend to be persecuted. You guys are really desperate.

[TheDebbieDee]

2. Let's save our vitriol for the Republicans, mmmkay?

Tell it to your fellow Obamacans......most of the vitriol spews from them.

[thereismore]

7. I can see that you still need more time. Thatt's OK. nt

[MoonRiver]

81. You can cut the patronizing crap.

Keep it up and you will NEVER get out votes. Ummkay? I believe the Rethugs are exerting a concerted effort to accomplish just that. Many, many trolls cooperating.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. no way, the rest of the Clinton campaign will all be attacks and smears. that is why we want her out

[shadowknows69]

48. You're delusional

I read this board all day and the Clintonites are far more involved in making stupid baseless attacks than Obama supporters. Just admit you really don't care about the party at all.

[Qutzupalotl]

76. You probably typically click on pro-Clinton/anti-Obama threads, right?

Those will attract the worst of the Obama supporters.

But I have an experiment for you to try: for a whole day, try only clicking on pro-Obama/anti-Clinton threads. You'll see a side of DU that may surprise you.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Amen to that.

I call bullshit on the argument that "it makes him tougher in the general!" The Clinton campaign is handing the GOP dirt to use against us in the general. Why should they bother making shit up when we're doing it for them?

The "flip flop" meme that was employed so effectively against Kerry came from Gephart in the primary.

The Republicans are already talking about Obama's "present votes".

You can bet they will be throwing the "plagiarism" thing around relentlessly.

Thanks a bunch, Clintons. :grr:

[bigscott]

9. no offense

but if the Clinton camp can come up with that, dont you think the Pukes would have thought of it as well? it aint rocket science people. A smear is a smear - it is gonna happen either way.

Peace

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. My point is we'll never know what they would have come up with because the Clintons did it for them

Not only did they hand them ammo, but they also get to say "hey, his fellow Democrat brought it up first!"

Do you seriously think the GOP would be talking about Obama's present votes in the IL Legislature right now?

Do you honestly believe they'd be poring over his speeches looking for similarities between his and Deval Patrick's right now?

It ain't rocket science but the Republicans ain't rocket scientists either.

[bigscott]

21. i honestly believe

that as soon as BOH is the nominee the Pukes will come up with stuff we never thought of. The Clintons did not hand them a thing - it was out there just waiting for any political operative worth his or her paycheck to find.

it happens every single election cycle - this is nothing new

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. The most effective meme used against Kerry was that he was a "flip flopper"

Believe me, I heard it over and over when I was canvassing for him. It appeared to stick far more than the Swiftboat smear, which very few people ever mentioned to me.

They spent millions on the Swifties.

They spent nothing on "flip flop". Why?

Because Dick Gephart gave them that catchphrase during the primaries when he used it against Kerry.


Of course, they'll come up with stuff but let's make them work, and pay for it. Is that too much to ask?

[marshall]

82. I don't think Hillary wants Obama to be president if he is nominated

I think her plan B is to wait out four more years of a disastrous McCain presidency and then swoop in to save the day.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Don't you understand?

Us Hillary supporters hate Reagan, therefore we're going to speak ill of democrats.

:P

[XemaSab]

6. .

:think:

:P

[griffi94]

5. sorry

but by now i can't unchange my mind and pretend that the vicious completely personal attacks against all things clinton didn't happen....it went so far past not wanting to vote for hillary.....all the rw talking points got re aired here by obama supporters.....ah so now that obama has the nomination all but locked up we should follow reagans 11th commandment......no thanks.....if obama has to wear tar and feathers and it cost him the election...well if ya live by the smear...ya die by the smear....

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. That is just utterly moronic.

You can NOT equate comments by SUPPORTERS of a candidate on an INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM wioth very PUBLIC and SANCTIONED actions by a candidate for office. You just can't. That's incredibly fucking stupid.

[griffi94]

19. whatever you say

but i can in fact equate comments by a candidates supporters to that candidates actions.......the bushbots spent 6 years shouting down every concern about bushies catastrophic policies.....they started in places like free republic then grew out into the blogosphere....then on to rw talk radio and finally to msm outlets.......imo you can in fact judge a candidate by their supporters.....the fact that the rw talking points showed up against hillary by supposed democrats.....and were largely ignored by obamas supporters tells me as much as i need to know about him and his campaign.....if i want dishonest personal off topic attacks....i'll vote repub....

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. You have not been paying attention then.

You obviously have tunnel vision, and are only able to see the nastiness of one side. There has been a lot of nastiness from BOTH sides here; Clinton's supporters bear as much of the blame as Obama's.

[griffi94]

30. yes that's a fact

some of clintons supporters also crossed the line....but.....the shitstorm didn't just get shot at hillary...i saw a thread on this forum that was at least 50 posts...about how sorry bill clinton was...they were worse than the bush family...they were worse than neocons.....then90s sucked...the democrats lost congress because bill clinton sucked....i remember the 90s....the democrats lost congress because of the smear jobs by newt and company....i also saw in that same thread where posters blamed hillarycare for losing the congress......hillary was trying to fix healthcare way before it got fashionable.........so it really has nothing to do with tunnel vision.....it doesn have to do with not turning into a rw hatemongering puke....just so i can say my side won......
i'll tell you like i told the last person who said i had to vote for obama
i've been a registered democrat for over 20 years.....i've voted for the democratic nominee in the last
5 elections...and i'll vote for all the democrats on the ballot except obama

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. I still say that's a ridiculous attitude.

I could point you to some extremely nasty things said by Clinton supporters about Obama. Things that might cause someone who is incapable of separating the actions of supporters from the actions of a candidate to decide not to support Hillary for the nomination. I don't really see how the fact that viciousness is done in the name of YOUR candidate makes it any better or more excusable. And if everyone here had an attitude like yours, no-one in this forum would vote for anyone BUT their currently preferred candidate in November. I'd like to THINK most people here are somewhat smarter than that, and less petty. What I've seen over the past few weeks kind of makes me wonder, though.

[griffi94]

47. sorry it's ridiculous to you

viciousness done in the name of my candidate isn't ok either....my first choice was john edwards....i was on the fence after he dropped......the viciousness is there on both sides...but imo the obama supporters took it way past the point of supporting their candidate....if this is the demographic obama appeals to....there's no place for me in his campaign.... of course you can point to some nasty things clintons supporters have said.....the same can be said of any candidate.....but the obama supporters took so much past being for their guy and into the realm of the rw nutjobs who slammed max cleland.....it wasn't supporting their candidate...it was maliciously and gleeful trying to destroy a good democrat.......

[Spider Jerusalem]

53. 'Maliciously and gleefully trying to destroy a good Democrat...'

And there's just as much malice from some Clinton supporters, directed at Obama. There's just as much malice from the Clinton CAMPAIGN, to be honest; negative campaigning straight out of the Lee Atwater/Karl Rove playbook is apparently an okay tactic against a Democratic opponent in a primary, to judge from her actions.

[griffi94]

55. i'm not the one

trying to tell you who to vote for...i don't owe obama a goddamned thing....his supporters made it clear that i could take him without any criticism or not.....don't even bring up legitimate questions about his voting record......the fact that yer now equating hillary to karl rove tells me all i need to know......good luck with yer candidate....i won't vote for him

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. I'm With You, Bro

I have never pulled the Republican lever in twenty eight years of voting but I will leave the presidential choice part of the ballot blank... When you empower a candidate you empower his or her supporters and history is replete with sorrowful examples of charismatic movements going horribly astray... I don't want that on my conscience...

[Eurobabe]

70. It's ALL about the Clintons, they don't give a shit if McLame

wins in November, if it is not her, then they don't want Obama in there either. People, the handwriting is on the wall.

[Creideiki]

37. How about holding the very public and sanctioned actions by a candidate

against them. Honestly, I walked into the primary cycle with superstrong positive feelings toward Kucinich, strong positive feelings toward Edwards, weak positive feelings toward Clinton and neutral feelings toward Obama. Obama's own actions have moved them to moderate negative feelings. I'll keep an open mind. He may fix that, but it's going to take some work now.

[ronnykmarshall]

12. I am SO with you on this.

I'll vote for Obama, but trust me my heart will not be in it.

The shit thrown around here has made it almost impossible to support him.

These little calls "join the unity train" really make me want to :puke:.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. I'm with you, too Ronny.

I'll vote for him, but that's it. There's only so much unity this old baby boomer can take.

[Zuiderelle]

58. "Shut up and get on board" doesn't sit well with me either.

:grr:

[MonkeyFunk]

62. well,

I'm too old, too gay to be of interest to his campaign.

[Zuiderelle]

65. yeah, ditto

[terrya]

66. I'm with you also.

These 20 daily "Why doesn't that selfish bitch Hillary quit the campaign because we don't like seeing her stand in the way of our candidate's triumphant path to the nomination" crap in here gets old. It's HER campaign and her decision to make when to quit the campaign, not 10 or 11 people in the GD: Primaries forum at Democratic Underground.

I'll vote for Obama...but I'm sure as fuck not going to fall in love with him, like some of the people around here expect us to do.

[ronnykmarshall]

68. Ironic isn't it?

The Obama camp was all throwing shit fits about a "coronation" of Hillary .... which I never bought. I knew she was in for a fight. So now it for the "sake of the nation" that she step down.

And we ALL have to join the love train!!! :puke:

At least I'll be saving some money if he gets the nomination. The DNC doesn't have my new phone number, so I won't have to worry about their phone calls either.

[cottonseed]

13. Not trying to be a smart alek

but, there is no way you can make an honest assessment of Obama supporters by the comments you read on DU : Primaries. There's maybe 50 or so active posters, all shat disturbers. I'm pretty sure, out of the millions that have voted in Dem primaries this year, a few genuinely nice grandmothers, funny uncles, fathers, and mothers or of the group; and I'd venture to say they're not here posting every morning. You're punishment would be misdirected.

[griffi94]

32. it's not punishment

it's principle.....i won't vote for a candidate whose supporters are into the personal smear as an art form....besides according to the obama supporters he doesn't even need my vote

[cottonseed]

57. i think you missed my point

you're on DU : Primaries... the thing is a cesspool. step outside, grab a person -- an Obama supporter, and you'll probably find out they're not the unprincipled smear mongers you might be making them out to be.

[Mags]

15. My 80 yr. old Mom is not giving up either. I spoke with her

this morning about last night. She told me she was praying that she would still see a Woman in the White House in her lifetime. She is tough like Hillary,she has raised 4 daughters and 1 son practically alone. Today she is calling all of her friends , family members ,etc. to tell them that Women have taken the backseat for too long, and no matter how old you are you can keep on fighting. It ain't over til it's over. I look up to her so much. She has renewed my spirit and fight. My family wants Hillary to fight until the end.

[totodeinhere]

27. Some people are praying that they will see an African American in the WH in their lifetime.

So therein lies the dilemma. We have two historic candidacies colliding with each other.

[woolldog]

44. Yup.

people who lived under Jim Crowe segregation, lynchings, and brutal intimidation.

[woolldog]

38. This kind of encapsulates the problem

with Hillary's campaign and why so many men are voting against her. You've made it all about gender and feminism. She's running as the female candidate, which only alienates men from her campaign.

[Beausoir]

17. "live by the smear, die by the smear". Ding!

Obama has ALOT of fences to mend if he thinks he's getting my vote.

Starting with the despicable pandering with the ex-gay hatemonger he hired.

[griffi94]

23. i read that

i don't know too much about the guy he had fundraising for him....but he did seem to be willing to throw one faction of his supporters under the bus.....wasn't the ex-gay hate monger a minister in his church or something like that....i guess obama needed to appeal to the more conservative sc voters....

[onehandle]

8. Gimme a break! DU is vitriol central.

Cheap shots come from both sides, but one side is cheaper.

Casting the first stone?

[XemaSab]

16. Me?

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. your post especially the last line is incredibly condescending

[Captain Hilts]

10. You made this sloppy bed, now sleep in it. nt

[liberalnurse]

20. Lets put it this way...

NO,NO,NO, Nothing you say or do will make this end anytime soon. Fighting is an option and will occur. August 25 th. is the date if necessary.

[XemaSab]

52. Been dipping into the meds again?

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

92. real graceful.

[xchrom]

24. after the donnie and the gospellettes -- he can get

by without me.

obmam is one person i could care less about. -- and he won't miss my support.

[bigscott]

you got that right

he wont miss either of our votes - and he could not care less about us either

[ronnykmarshall]

45. Donnie and the Gospelletes!

:rofl:

My husband didn't know about the whole Donnie story. Which I'm so suprised the "Pro Clinton Media" didn't pick up on it :eyes:. He was so pissed when I told him about it and how Miss Donnie is La Oprah's "favorite singer". He's also in the hold my nose and vote for Obama if we have to camp as well.

Whenever Obama's on TV he yells at the TV "Say something, god-damn it other than 'Change and Hope'"!

[robbedvoter]

25. Oh, well, if you put it to me this way - the mmm-kay did it! I'll never dare now!

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. i love how people think being condescending helps bring people togethere

:hi:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. yes because clearly obama supporters have been so restrained with the vitriol

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

33. Can't you feel the LOVE??

Can't you feel the HOPE????

Can't you smell the ...... ????

[JackORoses]

74. the Hillarism?

It reaks, I agree.

[bridgit]

35. hahahahaha, ding!

:rofl:

[Perry Logan]

28. Whoa. Heavy irony here.

[jasmine621]

29. The media started the plagarism stuff and as always, the HRC campaign get blamed

for what the media says, implies, starts etc. I am still waiting for how the spin about Michelle's comment will be blamed on the HRC campaign when it was the media that cherry-picked her comments and ran with them almost as breaking news.

[bridgit]

31. XS? I agree, but you're way late on this one, "Let's save our vitriol for the Republicans, mmmkay?"

[sloppyjoe25s]

36. She should know by now that Negative wont work for her

It's actually amazing that she is not "getting it"

She needs to go positive - and give people a reason to vote FOR her.

This seems to be based on the continuing notion her campaign has that "her appeal should be obvious"
and the only explanation for Obama is a "lack of scrutiny of how much he sucks"

This blindness of her campaign to what is going on is fairly stunning.

[Creideiki]

41. I agree

Hillary has a lot of positives going for her. Honestly, I think she assumes people remember them. What she really needs to do is start hitting the positives of her background, her commitment, her experience and what she's learned from it, and her vision. She needs to give some hints at what she would like to accomplish with a progressive Democratic Congress, and provide reassurances that if the Congress is more progressive than she is that she won't triangulate and shift to the right.

[XemaSab]

46. word

n/t

[incapsulated]

49. Pot meet Kettle

Now you want peace?

Please.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. not to mention if you want peace you shoudlnt insult the people you want peace from

it makes the entire post sound disingenuous. as though what you really wish is that we would shut up and go away.

[bridgit]

78. sore losers are one thing, sore winners are another matter...

[calico1]

54. Thanks for reminding me. And thanks for directing this

at only Clinton supporters since obviously, no Obama supporter here has ever said anything negative to any Clinton supporter. You all have been very mature, and respectful. Obama's message of hope and unity overwhelms me whenever I read some of the posts here by some of you. I am just overwhelmed with the love I feel. Please keep scolding and admonishing us and putting us in our place. I'm sure we will all fall into line with this kind of encouragement.


:sarcasm:

[Major Hogwash]

60. I agree, it won't do any good to trash him here.

It will only help McCain.

[BigDDem]

61. So many BO supporters are naive (at best)

If you think a "plagiarism ad" is the best the republicans will come up with you're delusional. You guys whined, pouted and had to hide under the bed over "fairytale" I'm afraid you guys are in for a rude
awakening.

[casus belli]

63. You might be looking at this the wrong way...

Rather than rehash something I've already addressed, please have a look at a post I made yesterday regarding this exact topic. I used to feel the way you do, but have since developed a different perspective.

Throwing hardballs at our candidates

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. this is a Primary and there ya go again chaneling fucking rethuglican Raygun crap...please stop it?

[XemaSab]

69. I quoted Reagan to demonstrate the sort of discipline that keeps republicans in power

and that we would do well to learn from.

You can't tell me you think two of our party leaders taking potshots at each other will help us win the GE? :shrug:

[bridgit]

79. less than agreed; what kept republicans together more was their pissy, insufferably cohesive snark

toward dems...here's hoping you're not advocating that as a lesson learned from republicans as well

[La Lioness Priyanka]

84. putting the love of power before everythign else is what helps the republicans

we shouldnt take up that stance

[XemaSab]

89. I'm totally not making that argument

I mean, progressives arguing here is one thing, but two prominent dems slugging it out?

PS When have we ever had power? How do we know if we love it or not? :shrug: :P

(edit: leaving out words; time for a break)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

90. well first you are asking only one faction to behave not both

so a lot of us find that objectionable. for instance bill clinton is not racist, obama can imply that to high heavens but thats just bullshit.

secondly, unless you want a nomination process that doesnt involve debates etc, things will be slugged out. its the nature of the primaries.

what you want is for hillary supporters to shut up and support obama now. this wont happen till he actually wins or hillary drops out.

you can ask for civility but writing a fairly condescending post wont get that

[flyarm]

72. after the way the obama people have behaved here and elsewhere..you must be kidding!

only it is not funny!

oh and i am not a hillary supporter..but i have had about all of you obama people i want to deal with IN A LIFETIME!

fly

[krabigirl]

73. Maybe you Obama supporters should have done the same, instead of attacking Edwards and Clinton...

[Lerkfish]

75. that's an unrealistic request. For one, they wouldn't honor it, for two, I'm not sure

its necessary. If he can't stand up the lightweight jabs of the clinton supporters, he won't make it against a republican.

that's the same advice I give to Clinton suppporters.

[NashVegas]

77. Stop Blaming Everyone Else For Your Candidate's Failings

If I see an ad between now and November accusing Obama of plagiarism, I'm going to be really pissed.

If the person you will be pissed at is not Barack Obama, then your ethics would be as questionable as his.

wouldn't you prefer that our nominee not go into the general election sporting tar and feathers from a person within the democratic party?

Your candidate's campaign should have thought of that because laying false charges of racism against the Clintons, when their statements were perfectly valid.

[MoonRiver]

80. Posts like this, make me determined to sit out November if BO gets the nom.

How about just stfu? But, then, agendas on DUP are increasingly obscure.

[NastyRiffraff]

83. This is a PRIMARY

In primaries, Democrats run AGAINST each other. And sometimes they say less than complimentary things about each other! That's what "running against each other" entails. No candidate is immune...no, not even St. Barack.

When we have a nominee, it's a very different story. But in a primary, you're going to see attacks, on all sides. If a candidate can't take that, he or she should flip hamburgers somewhere.

[jlpohio69]

85. Oh oh....not good

another claim of plagiarism on perez hilton's website today (sorry if a repost).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgctsioisJg

[Beacool]

86. Well, let ME put it this way........

If Hillary is not in the ticket at all, I'm staying away from the voting booth this November. I do not like Obama nor do I think he's fit to be president at this point in time. As much as I despise what the Republicans have done to this country, I will not vote for any candidate just because he has a D next to his name. Sorry.......

[Sybbis]

87. Obama supporters have done a lot of damage

I've been a staunch advocate of "Get out there and support the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it is" blah blah blah. The problem is, Obama's not bringing any substance to the table and his supporters aren't bringing any sense. They remind me of aging hippies and freshmen - just completely clueless and ADAMANTLY resistant to reason. There's an arrogance mixed with petulance and a complete lack of understanding when it comes to American politics. This, among other things, makes it increasingly difficult to support him. He reflects them or they reflect him, either way these are dangerous traits in a president, as we have seen for the past two terms.

Obama loses liberal Democrats by standing up for McClurkin and homophobic bigots not to mention his bizarre habit of publicly blowing Ronald Reagan. He loses older Democrats because he's willing to fuck with Social Security and they won't stand for it. He loses conservative Democrats because he has no national security experience. He loses Clinton Democrats because he and his supporters have been so contemptuous and disrespectful of both Senator and President Clinton.

John McCain and Karl Rove will exploit every single one of these and chip, chip, chip away at the few points out front that a Democrat might get this year. McCain will pull all the anti-choice/pro-immigration Latinos. He can run on his record of campaign finance reform to great effect with Independents. He's a war hero with a ton of national security experience and Republicans do fall in line with whomever their candidate is, though the fundies still hate him. And, like just about everyone at this level, he's a better debater than Obama.

This nonsense that Democrats suddenly believe sixteen years of the Republican smear campaign against Hillary Clinton is ridiculous. You don't actually believe it. You needed an excuse to vote for a less qualified man over a more qualified woman. Good luck trying to pull the Democratic Party together in November now that your frighteningly ambitious candidate has torn it apart to feed his early-onset case of Presidential Fever. All he had to do to be president was wait - but no, he had to do it right this minute. Now he'll be destroyed by the very same Republican attack machine he's been using against Hillary. His inexperience is showing and it's not a pretty sight.

[Neshanic]

91. Wow. Very good. You covered every base. Thank you.

[orchidlover127]

93. Wow-you said that so much better

than I ever could have! Thanks..ummm Mind if I plagerize? :applause:

[Beacool]

98. Hear, hear!!!!

You said it much better than me: we are nominating a less qualified man over a more qualified woman.

Obama had only been in the senate 2 lousy years before he decided that he was well prepared to lead this nation. Wow, the gall of this guy!!!

He didn't give a damn that Hillary had campaigned for him, raised funds for him and, by his own admission, he had modeled his first year in the senate after hers and she had been someone whose advise he sought. Yet, he didn't think twice before he decided to run against her. Why????? Why couldn't he have waited until he HAD some actual experience at the national level??? We could have had two historic presidents: the first woman and the first African American. Instead, we have a divided party and two candidates who are close in popular votes and delegates.

Well, I'm done with him. He may yet win the presidency but he will never get my vote.

[Danger Mouse]

88. You've really done it now.

:hi:

[BlackVelvet04]

94. LOL

No. The attacks on Hillary have been vicious and relentless so don't talk to me about attacks on Barack.

[Pushed To The Left]

95. K&R! The circular firing squad is getting ridiculous around here n/t

[CyberPieHole]

96. Uhmmmm...

Sorry. No sale. At least not until the nomination is decided. It's not decided at this moment. Obama has no trouble slinging mud and flinging poop, if at the end of the day they are both covered in mud and poop so be it. It's politics. No one said it would be nice. But now that Obama is the front~runner is NOT the time to ease up, as a matter of fact, I hope Senator Clinton doesn't hold ANYTHING back. The RW will not hold back...just think of it as doing your candidate a favor.

[ShortnFiery]

99. Then "scorched earth" it is. We're all going down ... this situation truly sucks - all around. eom.