Will there ever be a Woman President

[Mags]

in my lifetime? If Hillary can't win now, what other Woman is capable of getting in the office? I think none. I am 58. I will be for Hillary even if I have to write her in.

[scheming daemons]

1. Yes.... just not Hillary.....

...

[Yurem2008]

11. Yes, it will be Christine Gregoire

of Washington State

[XemaSab]

28. .

:thumbsup:

[Capn Sunshine]

38. OR Barbara Boxer

Or Barbara Boxer , Carol Moseley-Braun, Patty Murray , Mary Landrieu ,Blanche Lincoln, Debbie Stabenow, Jean Carnahan, Maria Cantwell, Amy Klobuchar , Claire McCaskill, Nancy Pelosi, Jennifer Granholm, Janet Napolitano ,Kathleen Sebelius ,Kathleen Blanco .....that's off the top of my head.

Just where do you hang out that Hillary is the only singlemost bestest female candidate? There are probably twenty five more that easily could garner the attention of the public. Hillary isn't some singular phenomena.

What's interesting is there's an equal chance the first female president would be a republican.


Are you telling me you'd vote for Condi Rice or Liddy Dole just because of their gender over an equally qualified Democrat?

Slippery slope, amiga.

[COFoothills]

45. It won't be Granholm...

...unless the constitution is amended. She was born in Canada. Same problem that ah-nold has.

[Moh96]

71. a jewish woman? I think that will be tough

[donheld]

91. Judge Judy For President

:bounce:

[totodeinhere]

100. I would love to vote for Barbara Boxer.

I wanted her to run in 2004.

[Whisp]

47. i don't know her that well, but

what I have seen and heard.... YES!!!!
she has an awesome presence - can't help but gravitate to her.

[FlyingSquirrel]

67. She has her share of detractors

and beat Rossi by the barest of margins in a Blue state. I'm not so sure she would be the one. (She's eminently qualified, however).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Huh.

Well, I guess a person needs at least one reason to vote for Clinton.

[Mags]

9. I have many reasons to vote for Hillary. This is just a question

but of course you have to make it into a slam.

[Mags]

3. Then who do you have in mind?

[Alexander]

82. Janet Napolitano would make an excellent president.

I'm not so shallow as to support someone who is my gender. I'd support Napolitano because she's been an effective governor, not because she has the genitalia you're looking for in a leader.

[loveangelc]

4. yes. me :-)

[ailsagirl]

5. Good questions-- I wonder myself

I'm glad we've gotten this far!!

[Avalux]

6. Absolutely.

I want nothing more than to elect a woman president; Hillary is not the right woman. It will happen.

[Captain Hilts]

7. By no means give up. But so long as it's okay to call her 'Nurse Ratched', 'Madam DeFarge,' 'Lady-

MacBeth', etc. and not get kicked off the air, forget about it.

So long as it's unacceptable for women to be ambitious, forget about it.

[557188]

8. No

Its still acceptable to be sexist. This race has proven that.

[Taverner]

10. Woman, yes, Women no

Only one person can hold the title at a time - that's the law ;)

[City Lights]

12. I noticed that too.

;-)

[Mags]

13. Thanks for your correction.!!

[BuyingThyme]

14. Pundits have always said that the first woman president will be a Republican.

I suspect many thought that would be proven correct with Hillary. Others not so much.

[Yurem2008]

17. Who? Mrs Dole or Hutchison?

yeah right, perhaps if McPain is elected and dies in office

[Bullet1987]

15. Kathleen Sebelius, Claire McCaskill

[Yurem2008]

18. Sebelius and McClaskill are excellent!

[Orangepeel]

21. yes. Maybe Janet Napoliano or Christine Gregoire

although I don't think the latter is very popular at the moment

[Yurem2008]

31. Gregoire has a lot of guts

and showed them by supporting Obama when the two senators from WA supported Hillabee

[Beacool]

89. Hillabee???????

Then I guess that it will be OK to call your candidate an "empty suit" or like Rush calls him: "The Magic Negro"?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.......

[Renew Deal]

77. Napalitano and Sebelius are both very good.

They have a shot.

[Alexander]

83. Seconded. I'd vote for either in a heartbeat. Barbara Boxer too.

[VotesForWomen]

66. yeah, someone who hasn't been on the natnl scene long enought for the MSM to tear down, like O.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. If this forum has any decision in it, then the answer is no.

[Umbram]

34. .

:eyes:

[calico1]

39. I don't think in my lifetime. I will be 50 next month. n/t

[onehandle]

19. Unlikely in our lifetime if Hillary falls.

She'll be a scapegoat for a long long time.

Especially if Obama wins the nomination and loses in the GE.

[crispini]

105. I don't see how Hillary gets tarred as a scapegoat.

Either way. If Obama wins the nomination and loses in the GE, surely that's his own fault. :shrug:

[Lerkfish]

20. if they run a better campaign, yes. She had the lead and her campaign shot itself in the foot

If people vote for a woman, it WON"T be because she goes extremely negative, IMHO.

[Orangepeel]

23. Negative ads don't work well for Democrats in general

and I agree that it would be even more problematic for a woman Democrat. Voters are more likely to give a pass to republican candidates on negative campaigning -- republicans are supposed to be tough and mean. Democratic candidates are held to a higher standard.

[Lerkfish]

40. IMHO people would vote for a woman because she brought something different to the table

unfortunately, I think just trying to out-hawk the men is the wrong direction.

[VotesForWomen]

69. i agree that her campaign could have been better, but to deny the media coverage slanted in favor of

obama is to deny the obvious. does any one here have a shred of a doubt that if the media had really wanted clinton to win and o to lose, that things wouldn't be turning out a lot differently?

[Lerkfish]

73. I would respectfully disagree: the worst victims of the media were Edwards and Kucinich

Edwards came in second, ahead of Clinton, but he was never mentioned and clinton was all over the news.

Additionally, in the beginning, all the media was focused on Clinton, yes in bad ways sometimes, but certainly FOCUSED on her. The race was hers to lose, and she did, IN SPITE of massive media coverage.
In fact, it was probably the overexposure that highlighted some of the more blatant gaffes in her campaign. You can blame the messenger only so much, if you make mistakes and make them publicly at some point you have to take ownership of that.

However, claiming victimhood for clinton due to media coverage is not at all accurate, in any way shape or form.

as I said, the real victims of the media were Kucinich and Edwards.

and I'll agree with you to the extent that ONCE OBAMA STARTING WINNING 10 states in a row, then yes, the media changed its focus. But the reasons are obvious and logical.

[Johnny__Motown]

22. possible, but isn't it sad that you will vote for her only because of her gender?

[Mags]

26. Read post #9. Thank you

[Johnny__Motown]

29. you turned this into a post about a woman president. you give no other reasons

[Mags]

48. I don't have to have a reason. It was just a simple question.

Nothing more then that!

[housewolf]

24. You have a life expectancy of around 80 years

That means the adds are that you will live through about 5 - 6 more elections. You're still at the mid-point of your life! I think the chances of a woman being elected president at some point during your life time are excellent.

Hillary is the first really viable woman candidate though certainly there have been other woman candidates in previous years. There is no shame in failing at anything the first time. No one can say right now which woman might be the next to be called to be a presidential candidate but hopefully it will be be a Democrat and someone with the background and skills to unify the country and with the ability to capture the party's and the country's desires and will to move forward. We're closer now than ever before to having a woman president and that, in itself, indicates a major shift in our country.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Of course!

[alphafemale]

27. That's pretty degading of women I think. Only Hillary. Only now?

There's only one?

There's only ONE woman that you think is worthy of this fight in your lifetime?

That's pretty sad.

I think any of our women governors or senators or other leaders could rise to the top and make a credible run for the highest office.

[napi21]

30. I doubt it in MY lifetime. I of course hae my own qualifications

a female candidate must have to be a good President, and I think Hillary has them! I feel really bad that her name is Clinton! I honestly believe if she were Hillary (anything), she would probably be the winner!

Yea, I know lots of people pick specific things they hold against her, but there are even MORE people who state "I just don't like her"!

Aparently this "hate" thing began in Ark. a long time ago, and nobody has been able to explain why!

[crawfish]

32. Condaleeza Rice

;)

[subsuelo]

63. I think the OP meant a woman with half a brain

;)

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

99. I think Condi meets that qualification

half a brain.
:rofl:

[ShadowLiberal]

33. Yes of course, just not a woman with a 50% unfavorable rating

[marions ghost]

35. it will happen someday

but the US is very sexist.

It's hard for many people to vote for a woman even though they know that she could do the job very well. I hope the first woman president will get there on her own, not carrying a lot of baggage from her husband's previous presidency.

[Midlodemocrat]

49. I think it's more that people are threatened by strong women.

I've even heard a man here say that 'northern men can't control their women'. :wow:

Being a strong female myself, I know it threatens people of both sexes. And, it's a shame. A woman can't be smart and strong, but a man sure as hell can.

[Recursion]

36. Yes, and one who built her career herself

I think most of the women in the Senate and Governors Mansions would make fine candidates; unfortunately, the weakest candidate among them decided to run.

[shraby]

37. I'd favor someone on the order of

Barbara Boxer. The last thing I'd do is vote for a woman just because she's a woman. That's totally wrong-headed.

[COFoothills]

41. I am looking forward to us having a woman as president...

...in the very near future. But it has to be the RIGHT woman at the right time. I don't think that Hillary is it.

And I would hope that people around here are reasonable enough not to base their vote on the plumbing of the candidate, but on the ideas and leadership qualities that man or woman posesses.

What we have seen in 2008 is an astounding step in the right direction for ending the presidency as being the domain of only white protestant (except for JFK) men and opening it up as a reasonable dream for ALL americans. In the years to come that will only continue to head in the right direction and it's something that gives me hope and makes me proud.

[billyoc]

42. Sure, but not a DLC member. Just not enough union support.

Dems can't win without union support, and we're on to the DLC's anti-worker agenda.

[indimuse]

43. A man.....any color.. ..is... STILL a man ~

A man.....any color.. ..is STILL a man~
A woman...any color is... still a woman...and NOT a man~
Therfore a WOMAN is the MOST representative of "CHANGE" ~~~

Hope for Woman all over the world... of all color, religion..and ethnicity's.


A ~ mother ~ a daughter ~ a grandmother ~ a sister ~ nurturer ~ educator ~ healer ~ protector ~ peace.

[GOTV]

86. Changing the genitals in the white house is not change enough....

... and the candidates genitals mean less to me than they do to you.

[lapfog_1]

108. Yup, Margaret Thatcher was a nurturing change for world wide peace.

And Gandhi was just another male world leader. War mongering asshole.

Yup.

[Orsino]

44. I understand that feeling, I think.

An analogous one is driving some of the support for her opponent.

Either one of these Dems will break an important barrier by taking the nomination.

[Orangepeel]

46. It is most likely to be a woman not currently on our radar screen

10 years ago, most of us never heard of Obama. And yet, without counting my chickens, me might well be the first African American President. In 1982, after having just lost the race for governor of Arkansas, most people wouldn't have picked Bill Clinton as a potential president.

There are plenty of women who could be president in 10 years. Not only senators and governors, but congresspeople, state legislators and community leaders.

[crispini]

106. Agree.

I'm hoping one of them is out there watching and realizing what she could do.

[Iceburg]

50. Not in our lifetime. And not until at least one woman holds a share of the MSM.

Until then, the boys in the media will control who will be president, by controlling what will constitute "news".
Running Britney Spears, Paris Hilton et al 24/7 serves their end goal very well.

The male American media is and will be your defacto President for decades to come.

[indimuse]

51. What HAS Obama changed?

What makes Obama the so called Agent of Change? Why...? Who's WE? Cause IF I'm we..., then I wanna know...WHAT DOES Obama's change mean? What change did he bring the districts he represented...what change did initiate or bills for "Change" (for the better) passed, that made a difference?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

52. After seeing the misogyny here and elsewhere - I'm beginning to think no

If we have it here among the supposed "progressives" then there's not much hope. Women are still getting paid less than men despite having the same qualifications.

I've heard a several women saying that they didn't think women can be capable of being President and they were NOT Republicans. One was an Obama supporter. She said that she wouldn't want a menopausal woman to be in charge. When I pointed out that many men and their testosterone were worse and caused them to be overly aggressive - it didn't seem to make much of a dent.

[lapfog_1]

111. There is a lot of misandry right here in this thread.

Why can't we look at each person as an individual, with worrying so much about which sexual organs they were born with?

[Exilednight]

53. Yes - and I will not tell you to not support Hillary, but don't do it just because she is a woman

In your original post you make it sound like that is the only reason you are voting for her.

It honestly sounds like your saying, 'I'm a 58 year old woman and I only want a woman as President, any other quality be damned!!'.

[newportdadde]

54. Better chance of that then a ever getting a populist candidate who isn't owned by mega-corps.

[VotesForWomen]

70. correct; and that applies to obama as well. he is not what people think he is. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

55. I had thought so

but now I think not. I badly underestimated the amount of mysogyny in America.

[marions ghost]

59. now you understand...

it's an eye opener, isn't it?

[MonkeyFunk]

75. a very sad one, yes

[THUNDER HANDS]

56. will anyone other than a Clinton or Bush be president in my lifetime

or at least be on the ticket?

I was 2 last time that occurred.

[GarbagemanLB]

64. Hillary deserves it, don't you know? Her being wife to Bill qualifies her as a presidential candidat

[Pathwalker]

57. No. Not in my lifetime, or yours. Sorry to say that,

but its becoming very clear the answer is no. :cry:

[formernaderite]

58. as soon as Hillary isn't on the ticket

there will be plenty of other presidents with wives....since you seem to think that is the only way to get there.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

60. How are your eating habits? Do you smoke?

:shrug:

[leftynyc]

61. My dad always said

the first woman president would be a republican and the first black president would be a democrat.

[GarbagemanLB]

62. You are pathetic if your reason for supporting Hillary is her sex. Talk about stupid politics.

[VotesForWomen]

76. i'm sure you'd say the same if there had never been a male president. yeah, no you wouldn't, nt

[Alexander]

81. So I take it you'll be voting for Condi Rice in the future?

Because she's got the genitalia you seem to want in a leader.

:eyes:

[apocalypsehow]

65. Was this Sean Hannity's talking point of the day? Or did you think this one up on your own?

n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

68. I may see one...

...but only because the psychics tell me I'm going to live to be 93. I've still got 32 years left, so hopefully before I die.

[LisaM]

72. No, I don't think so. The scab has been peeled off

and the ugly wound of sexism is openly bleeding again.

This came home most to me when I saw the Idaho caucus results. Idaho is a very, very conservative state, and has had, shall we say, some challenges with racism. Yet even there, Hillary couldn't break the glass ceiling.

I see the sexism on MSNBC, when they punctuate their male-hosted shows with documentaries about sex slaves.

I see it here when certain members of this very forum have been referred to as paleofeminists for supporting women's rights in the 1960s and 1970s.

I see it with the people I ask regarding passage of the Equal Rights Amendment. Most don't realize that it never passed.

I see with young women (under 30) who haven't hit the glass ceiling yet and so don't believe it exists.

It's extremely depresssing.

[paulk]

74. hard to say...

there aren't any I can think of that have the name recognition, qualifications and political machine behind her that Hillary has.

15 years of RW hate have made it very difficult for her to succeed -

I'm sure if another Democratic woman comes along that could challenge for the presidency, the right wing and the media would do their best to destroy her also.

The first woman to win the White House will probably be a Republican...

[Alexander]

78. Yes. Just not this one.

Thankfully.

[milkyway]

79. Michelle Obama. A new dynasty is born.

:-)

[RoadRage]

80. Why do you want a candidate *just* because she's a women?

I don't understand this logic. If the Best candidate happens to be a women - great. But, voting for someone just because you want to see a women win the presidency in your lifetime seems to be a shallow (yet common) reason to vote for Hillary.

If you're truly inspired by her and her politics, great - but then you're not voting for her because she's a woman, you're voting for her because you agree with her principals.

I'm happy I have a candidate who i'm proud to vote for right now. It's not a women, but if someone like Obama came around who was a women, i'd be very eager to vote for her. As to when that will be.. who knows - maybe another 20 years or so?

[BlackVelvet04]

84. Ditto on the write in. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

85. here it comes....

all the ones who really want a woman, just not Hillary......I call bullshit on them. No woman will ever be quite perfect enough for them to vote for, so I don't expect to see a woman president any time soon if Hillary doesn't get the nomination.

[Vinca]

87. Absolutely. If Barbara Boxer was running, I might be in her corner

rather than Barack's. Hillary needs to stop with the glass ceiling business - it's not the ceiling it's the person.

[lse7581011]

88. I Won't Vote For A Woman

just for being a woman! She has to have some substance and integrity then she would have my vote!

[WolverineDG]

90. Oh gawd, not this meme

I had a friend tell me this too. It's insulting to us women everywhere to even suggest that the ONLY woman ever in our history would could possibly be president is Hillary Clinton. :eyes:

dg

[Beacool]

92. This election has proven that sexism trumps racism.

No one dares question Obama on much of anything because, as the Clintons came to find out the hard way, they would immediately be labeled as racists.

On the other hand, nobody seemed to care much that for a good part of a year Hillary has been criticized for her hair, clothes, ankles, age, laughter (remember the cackle comments?), even the size of her backside and cleavage elicited nasty remarks from the punditry at large.

Also, the legitimacy of her senate career came into play by Matthews and she was the only candidate accused of "pimping" out her child.

Do I think that we'll see a woman president in this backward land of ours anytime soon? HELL NO!!!!!!!

If this is how we treat the first female viable candidate, then I don't expect much in the future for other women. The fact that there are currently several good women presidents and prime ministers in the world, makes our attitude toward Hillary Clinton even more discouraging and sad.

[paperbag_ princess]

93. it doesn't have to be that way

women need to wake up and see that there will never be a woman president unless we push for it....somewhere along the lines we stopped fighting...we stopped intentionally supporting each other and backing one another up....

We did not get to where we are without intention....the women before us were not accidents....

There is not a damn thing wrong with finding a great woman candidate and supporting her...and guarding her back and pushing her forward....it is exactly what the black community is doing....to their credit.

How stupid to pick her apart...you can always find someone better in some way or another....it is okay to be satisfied with great....and Hillary is great.

It is a shame that women chose not to support her.


and whoever said this was dead on: If there had never been a male president then there would be a different song being sung...

[babylonsister]

96. Baloney. I would love a woman president, I just have to like and trust her.

I have no such feelings for Clinton, and it has nothing to do with her sex.

[Life Long Dem]

94. Yes. There was only one reason a woman didn't win this time.

Notice I said a "woman" in the title and not Hillary. Because this isn't about a woman, it's about Hillary. I think people are seeing right through her.
I don't think any woman should feel down about a woman not being nominated this election. I wish we had this candidate this time.

[MonkeyFunk]

97. And from where I'm sitting

it seems a lot of people, including liberals, have bought into the 16-year campaign by the right to destroy her because she's a powerful, strong, capable woman.

[Occam Bandage]

95. Yes. It just won't be Hillary Rodham Cinton.

[IndianaGreen]

98. There are better women than Hillary in the Democratic Party

Barbara Boxer, or even Janet Napolitano, would be great as VP on an Obama ticket.

[balantz]

101. I think if McCain wins he will have sex change operations during his first year.

Obama? I don't know if he'd go there.

[bluedawg12]

102. Nope. Little by little the b8llsh*t innuendos and code words slip in

and sooner or later it will erode the credibility.

I saw so much of it this time around that it exceeds the Bill factor.

Some day I'll take the time to track the print language- for now, I hear, read and see it all around -daily.

Anyone ever call Barack or mcNutty "Mr." nope- always the honorific "Sen." while "Mrs." started to slip into language as did other hints, "she" was not up to being POTUS.

I have seen everyone from $hr%b to Bill to Romneyrobot get teary eyed and Hill get's a little choked up and people hatch gerbils on TV.

[jbm]

103. I don't think so....

I knew that there were still a lot of submissive women around, and a lot of guys who believed that women were supposed to be submissive. I didn't realize how mainstream that thought process still is though. I suspect some element of that is what underlies a lot of the "I could never vote for her. She just seems like a bitch to me" responses. The worst part of it is, that sentiment came from women as often as it did from men.

To be honest, I doubt very seriously we'll see a black man win during our lifetimes either. It appears white guys chose the black guy over the woman, but come time for the general election, they'll drop the black guy in a heartbeat.

[TexasObserver]

104. Yes. 2016, probably.

[Bad Thoughts]

107. Yes, when people stop waiting for Clinton

Honestly, there are plenty of great women in politics, and there seems to be no apprehension for the population to vote for them. Indeed, the smears against Pelosi as potential Speaker were far worse than what Clinton encountered. Clinton, unfortunately, is overrated, not even the most prominent senator from New York. Boxer and Feinstein are great senators. Elizabeth Dole would have made a great GE candidate. And many women are waiting in the wings.

[protect our future]

109. Of course there will be a woman president one of these days.

Will it be in your lifetime, Mags? I don't know, but you will probably be around for many more decades so I say "don't give up on us women yet."

My fav right now is Kathleen Sebelius, Governor of Kansas. She is amazing, beautiful, classy, and often talked about as a VP choice.

[readmoreoften]

110. Not a Democrat. Maybe a Condi Rice. Maybe not even her.

We live in one of the most sexist nations in the West. We rank 66th in the world in terms of gender equality. Pull out the styrofoam finger: we're 66th! we're 66th!

[Sybbis]

112. Nope, not in this lifetime...

The primary season has proven that Americans will nominate a less qualified man over a more qualified woman. The people aren't ready to give equal consideration to women candidates, at least not for the top job.

It's sad, really. I had hoped that I would live to see a woman become President of the United States. From the irrational hatred and bile spewed at Hillary Clinton by men (and some women) in her own Party, it's obvious that they are nowhere near ready for that kind of progress. We won't be electing a woman to the presidency for a long, long time. I don't expect to live to see it.

[JVS]

113. Yes, but when it does happen it won't be one of the most famous and widely disliked women in the USA

The candidate who breaks this barrier will be a woman with a relatively clean slate, not someone who has been embroiled in some of the most hideous scandal mongering (not that it was her fault, but she was still part of an administration under constant attack) that has ever been seen. The first woman president will be a party wonk/footsoldier who eventually rises to the top position (think of a female Gephardt)

[doc03]

114. Maybe Chelsea Clinton will get into

politics.:hi: