Hillary began losing this nomination when she began to run a

[ncteechur]

general election campaign prematurely. Perhaps Rudy did the same thing.

Ran out of $$. Gave others time to slip in under the radar.


And I think that some don't like her which may always be the case for any politician, but I think she comes across as if she deserved to be president. I think Rudy thought that, also.

The republicans could have stopped this for their party if they would have reigned bush-cheney in. If they would have led the way on all the bs, law-breaking, etc. - they might could have saved face. In the end, Karl Rove might have actually fucked them. Ironic, eh?

[tekisui]

1. I think it was when she hired Mark Penn.

For a couple million.

[Arkana]

2. She didn't break Obama on Super Duper OMG Tuesday.

She was prepared for a sprint--Obama was prepared for a marathon.

[Cha]

9. Another one of mark penn's brillant

game plans?

[City Lights]

10. Slow and steady wins the race.

:-)

[islandmkl]

3. "In the end, Karl Rove might have actually fucked them. Ironic, eh?"

Beautiful, I say!!

[rodeodance]

4. guess it has NOTHING to do with Obama's magic oratory skills then . ha hs

[sandnsea]

5. When she trashed students in Iowa

lied about Obama's record in NH, injected race with the Muslim and drug dealer remarks...

She turned right around and did it again in Wisconsin with her stupid debate ad.

She lost her election because she ran a lousy campaign. The fact that she can't figure out how to do anything different is quite telling and should alarm everyone about having her in the GE. She'd be a disaster.

[Cha]

6. I think mark penn was the killer but

maybe that's just a few of us who got tired of rovian tactics pushing The Decider down our throat for 8 nightmare years.

I read that hilary's campaign got started later than Obama's did..

<snips>

This belief in Hillary’s unassailability fostered a complacency that may cost Clinton more dearly than anyone could have imagined. But at the time, no one recognized what was happening. Instead of launching her presidential campaign, even informally, Clinton and Solis Doyle insisted that no one so much as mention the possibility of a White House bid until after she’d been reelected to the Senate—a move insiders now concede was a serious tactical flaw that allowed Barack Obama’s campaign to take off unchallenged. The error wasn’t simply letting Obama get a head start in raising money. It was failing to realize that the world of political fund-raising had changed dramatically since Bill Clinton had last run for president, in a way that put a premium on different kinds of fund-raisers than the ones to which the Clintons had ties. Campaign-finance reform had banned the large, six-figure “soft-money” contributions the Clintons once relied on from people like Ron Burkle, Steve Bing, and David Geffen. In their place, small, “hard-money” donations took on far greater importance, and a new generation of fund-raisers able to corral many people to write four-figure checks suddenly became the true prize. But many of them—people like Mark Gorenberg, Alan Solomont, and Steve Westly—were not as well known to the Clintons. “I think of the difference as being between ‘writers’ and ‘raisers,’ ” Gorenberg, a venture capitalist who was John Kerry’s biggest fund-raiser in the 2004 election, told me last year. Like Gorenberg, many of the new hard-money fundraisers are tech moguls who hail from a wealth center, Silicon Valley, that barely existed during Bill Clinton’s last run.

With Hillaryland in silent mode, Obama got first crack at those donors. “Not a lot, but some people, were losing sleep about Obama as early as last winter, keeping an eye on his moves and tracking his hires and outreach,” a Clinton insider admitted to me last spring. “There were two reasons nothing happened. First, by admitting he’s a factor, you’re giving him the credibility that you don’t want him to have. Second, everybody thought he would flame out. They didn’t think he could pull a money team and enough talent together to mount a serious challenge.”

Of course, Obama did just that, relying on the new donor class Clinton had ignored. “When Obama came along,” an embittered Clinton aide told me, “suddenly you had your choice of rock star.”

Even after grasping the magnitude of the threat, the Clinton campaign didn’t react quickly..

Lots More..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4568468

[IndianaGreen]

7. Bill Clinton is the one that hurt the Hillary campaign

He made her look weak, unable to control him. How is she going to control Bill if she becomes President?

[scheming daemons]

8. She began losing when she allowed Bill to speak....

...

[Kahuna]

13. Right. They were running as "Billary." Then when Bill starting

acting like an out of control redneck, she owned that behavior too. Their behavior has reminded voters of why they got "Clinton fatigue" in the first place.

[Arugula Latte]

11. It's a combination of many factors, I think.

Clinton fatigue, arrogance of Inevitability, IWR vote, horrible public speaking style, old school techniques (not "getting" the new media), and, yes, sexism (I do agree that SOME who won't vote for Hillary are just pure sexists; but millions of us have reasons completely removed from her gender--and I say that as a white woman).

[Kahuna]

14. Boy! You just said everything I've posted within the past couple of

minutes in a few different threads. You just put it succinctly into one short paragraph. And I agree 100% It's some of all those things.

[Carolina]

16. good summary, totally agree

except I put her IWR vote FIRST.

[mudesi]

12. WHEN SHE REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE FOR HER WAR VOTE

Period. That's all there is to it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. People, people please...

There are a whole bunch of perfectly valid reasons for why Hillary Clinton is tanking.

[JVS]

17. Was that on day 1?

[dommyluc]

18. I disagree on this reason

I believe Hillary began to lose the campaign the moment she hired that loser Mark Penn, the ideological bastard child of Bob Shrum. Why do ANY Dems use these idiots, and why are these losers called upon by the MSM shows to give their opinions when they know nothing? People accuse me of disliking Hillary, but I always thought she was the best of the Clintons; I personally believe we elected the wrong Clinton in 1992 and 1996 - Hillary was the true Democrat. Now she's being handled by this DLC dumbfuck who won't let her be her true self - warm, knowledgeable, strong and - most important of all - a true fighter against the corrupt Rethugs. And Bill's big mouth hasn't helped her at all. If she had run her campaign against Bush/Cheney, the Rethugs and the disasters they have perpetrated upon our nation instead of going after Obama so much - if she had shown how she would change this country from the cesspool that Bush/Cheney have tried to make it - she would be ahead today and Obama would probably be thinking about running for VP. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the Republican Party was salivating at a Clinton nomination - they are scared shitless of her n\because no matter what they threw at her they could never take her down. But now her campaign has parctically destroyed her, and I do not believe she can win the GE. But goddamn, I'd LOVE to see her appointed to the Supreme Court. Can you just see the exploding heads of the RW being shown on CNN? Lordy, I think I'm coming down with a case of the vapors!