Republican Strategists Working Toward a Win in November

[ElsewheresDaughter]

from Zookeep in Florida on another board that I find interesting and agree with except for the lou dobbs thingy at the end.

I know I have said this in other threads but the "newbies" in this forum need to think this through

Republican Strategy:


1. Make sure you make statements like you HOPE Clinton wins and that you want to face her instead of Obama in November.

2. Insert supporters in Obama camp and (Republican based) surrogates to involve college campuses and young voters to vote for Obama. Use strategy and volunteers to work on Republicans and Independent voters to vote for Obama in "OPEN" (Focus word is OPEN where Republicans and Independents can vote for either party)primaries/caucuses to ensure a win over Clinton (This has even been mentioned recently on CNN). This is a typical Karl Rove strategy that worked for him in 2004 against Kerry. This is EXACTLY what happened to Romney in West Virginia, remember?

3. Get the backing of Ann Coulter, Limbaugh and right wing radio hosts to state they would rather vote for Hillary than McCain, thus turning off Clinton voters to swing to Obama.

4. Make sure Obama wins the "red states" (that ALWAYS goes REPUBLICAN in November GENERAL elections) making it look like he is "winning over America"....thus swinging even Superdelgates toward Obama (looks like this is working)......

5. Have McCain starting saying he can't wait to face Obama in debates for the November election. Are the primaries over yet? I don't think so, so why is McCain making these statements? To discourage the Clinton supporters?

6. Make sure the REPUBLICAN Governor (Charlie Crist) and the Florida GOP move the election up before Super Tuesday (tell governor he may be on short list for VP for doing so) even knowing that the DNC will penalize and not seat delgates. Pressure the Florida DNC by being the majority in this issue to ensure this happens. The Republicans will get 1/2 their delegates....Democrats...0 (Zero). Florida tends to lean Democratic in General Elections......Gore lost by only 500 votes in 2000. AND preliminary polls before the Florida primary showed Clinton way ahead of Obama. Clinton won by 50% and ALL Democratic candidates were on ballot. This will certainly cause Florida with HIGH electoral votes to go Republican in 2008.



Notes:
a. Hillary Clinton is a fighter as some call her a "bulldog".....she has faced the Republican smear tactics and false statements in the past during her run and subsequent re-election as Senator from New York.
b. The Repulbicans WANT to face Obama they figure he is easier to beat than Hillary Clinton. Swiftboat attacks will work against Obama better than they will with Hillary Clinton. She has already been through these tactics and has come out ahead.
c. Obama and Hillary Clinton mirror themselves in their plans and platform....most say the only difference is "Charisma" vs. "Experience".
d. At this time of world unrest, we need someone that can and has worked with world dignataries toward peaceful outcomes (visited 80 countries as First Lady)....how many countries has Obama actually gone to.....This will come up in Republican strategy.
e. NOW that it looks like Obama MAY win the nomination......all of a sudden Ann Coulter, Limbaugh and all the RIGHT WINGERS are now showing support for McCain and today alone they have sent in 2 MILLION dollars to McCain's campaign.
f. Thanks to Tom Delay (The Hammer) and his tactics of re-districting Texas and elections are really weird there where you can vote for a candidate TWICE. Make sure that Republicans and Independents go to Obama, thus making him the candidate basically in November.
g. Karl Rove even offered to give Obama hints of how to beat Clinton.......WHY?

SO if Obama wins the nomination:
1. Republicans will bring up his ties to his church, his father being a Muslim, etc. McCain will bring up we are fighting "radical muslims" that are terrorists. McCain will state that Obama has only had two years in the Senate and on the Foreign Relations board (inexperience). State Obama is FOR giving the UN .7% of our GDP for global poverty when we are already on the verge on a Recession, mortgage failures, etc. Insert enough doubt that those "on the fence" will vote McCain.
2. Bring up Michelle Obama's involvement with Tree House foods and her being on the board as a lawyer for a big Hospital Corporation. They will definitely HONE in on her statement about "for the first time in my life I am proud to be an American".........(patriotism failure)......
3. Bring up Obama's involvement with Excelon, Rezko, etc. And how he claims to be ethical when he has been accepting campaign money via corporate employee family members and friends of the family (basically lobbyist money).
4. Disgruntled Clinton voters will either not show up or vote for McCain.
5. Obama WILL NOT carry the "red states" and it will come down to Florida for the Presidency.....and guess what

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~McCAIN WINS!!!!!~~~~~~~~~

I am seeing this strategy taking effect each day.

So AMERICANS wake up........this election is basically up to you........show Karl Rove and the Republican strategist they will not win this one.......

I personally would like Lou Dobbs to run. He has 1/2 Republican ideals and 1/2 Democratic ideals. As an Independent voter, I choose not to be a lemming!


All of the Obama supporters, Hillary Clinton supporters, McCain supporters, Ron Paul supporters can say or banter anything you want......I can see through this strategic and manipulative"fog"........

We will see on November 5th.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. If Clinton can't beat Obama, why assume she can beat McCain?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

13. Exactly.

And if Clinton can beat McCain, and Obama can beat Clinton, why can't Obama beat McCain? :crazy:

[texas_indy]

16. Not too loud. We can't allow facts to be presented here.

For example:

"f. Thanks to Tom Delay (The Hammer) and his tactics of re-districting Texas and elections are really weird there where you can vote for a candidate TWICE. Make sure that Republicans and Independents go to Obama, thus making him the candidate basically in November."


The republicans were able to invent a time machine and go back to the early 1900s and prepare for the arrival of Obama. The Texas system has been the same since the early part of the 1900s, and yet only now the nefarious republican time agents spring into action and snap it shut with the agility of a B rate movie. Gosh, wonder why Bill didn't have any problem with it back in '92 and '96??

What chance do we have now? The RNC is able to use Time Travel apparently.


Texas is Obama country!

[noiretextatique]

21. if obama can't beat clinton without crossover votes

what makes you think he can beat mccain?

[Perry Logan]

31. Badda-bim, badda-boom.

[democrattotheend]

34. The crossovers are the ones we need in November

Self-identified Democrats only make up 40% of the electorate, per the latest Gallup poll. So a Democrat can't win without independent and crossover support.

I think we can assume that 90% of those who have identified as Democrats in the exit polls will vote for either Clinton or Obama in the general. I know there are a few adamant posters on both sides here who say they won't vote for the other candidate in November, but DUers are hardly representative of rank-and-file Democratic voters.

[noiretextatique]

40. DU is representive of rank and file democrats

and even those saying they won't democratic probably will, unless they are just here to disrupt.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. ...

:yoiks:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. lmao

[LadyVT]

2. Good post. Thanks.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. my pleasure

[AX10]

3. Thank you for the insight!

:thumbsup:

[Bicoastal]

4. Boy, I really do hope Lou Dobbs runs...

...if you think he'd draw more Clintonites than disgruntled Xenophobic conservatives, you're crazy. He'd be the Perot of this election, and Obama would have an easy road to victory.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. you obviously didn't read what I wrote in the opening sentence...need remedial?

[casus belli]

5. In other words...vote Hillary to defeat Rove. Wow...just....wow. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

7. Those tens of thousands of people showing up at rallies and those nearing one million donors?

Rove plants.


:rofl:

[Forkboy]

8. Well thank God, in her infinite wisdom, that we have you to help guide us!

I'm so concerned about your concern.

In the meantime, while you two sides try to determine which choice is the devil incarnate, the world burns.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. yes She is awesome isn't She

[Forkboy]

10. She's alright....I just wish she cared.

;)

[emilyg]

11. k/r

[BenDavid]

12. the obama team if they believe they have this in the bag

better start concerning themselves with what the 45% of hrc supporters are going to do. When we come in here and see all teh hate spewed towards either clinton we do not like it. When there is vile names directed at hrc, we do not like it. And when you obama folks begin sounding like rabid republicans we sure as hell do not like it. So, maybe before it is to late and there is a President McCain maybe obama will apologize for the way he sat back and watch a decent man and woman that once stood in high regard in the black community and was torn to shreds by being called bigots and racists while obama sat back. Now tell me how I could or millions of us that really like HRC over obama vote for obama?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. you speak for me here BenDavid.....they are rabid & I am having disturbing thoughts about IF Obama

[democrattotheend]

36. DUers are hardly representative of the Democratic base

We're a lot more passionate (and sometimes a lot nastier) than the average Democratic voter. Exit polls have shown that most Democratic voters would be happy with either candidate. So I don't think you represent the 45% of Democrats who have supported HRC.

As for you and other HRC supporters on DU, I agree that some Obama supporters here have been out of line, as have some Clinton supporters. But that shouldn't be a factor in your vote. Nobody here represents the candidates.

Personally, I do think a few of the things Bill Clinton said were racially insensitive, especially the Jesse Jackson comment. But Obama never called the Clintons racist, and it's not his job to go out of his way to counter those charges, especially when there was some ring of truth to them. I don't think the Clintons are racist, but I think they were willing to use subtle inuendos designed to marginalize Obama as the "black candidate".

If you honestly think McCain would make a better president than Obama, then by all means, vote for him or stay home. Otherwise, I would hope that you would be big enough to put aside your bitterness over the primaries and base your vote on what's best for this country. And I would hope Obama supporters would be big enough to do the same if Clinton gets the nomination.

[FrenchieCat]

14. So you just make shit up and then give it a title.......?

YOu think that the college students voting for Obama are republicans or have been influenced by Republican surrogates?

I think you are out of your mind....like someone else I know who was wearing red today. :eyes:

You are really a fool, you know.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. do I go on your threads and attack you? NO...what the fuck is wrong with you......you......

follow me around from thread to thread and hump my leg incisively





hey frenchie, maybe you really should call your doctor and have him adjust your meds




.

[Danger Mouse]

19. ...shit, that looks EXACTLY like my dog...

:cry:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. i'm sorry...I didn't mean to make you cry....why are you?

[Danger Mouse]

39. because my dog is horrifying.

:cry:

[noiretextatique]

23. a member of the zealot contingent on DU

:crazy:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. she really needs to call her doctor for a meds adjustment

[noiretextatique]

22. republicans voting for obama are republicans

end of message.

[jackson_dem]

24. Yup and the reasons they are rethugs don't vanish because someone says "hope and change"

[noiretextatique]

25. i don't think so

i am sure there are a few who a truly fed up, but there are others who would vote for the devil if it had an R behind it's name rather than vote D.
it's puzzling that some obama supporters deny this reality.

[jackson_dem]

26. They seem to ignore or not realize why we have 2 parties in the first place

People simply have different views of the role of government in general and what should be done on specific issues. It has been this way ever since Jefferson/Madison's Democratic-Republican Party dueled with the Federalist Party of Hamilton/Adams. Is Obama saying "hope and change" going to change this fundamental truth of our history? In other democratic countries there are more than 2 strong parties (Canada for instance has 4 and had 5 until two of the RW ones merged). Is there any one party democratic country

[Alamom]

37. They also ignore reality & we are doomed to repeat history. Crossover voting has been done for

decades.


They will cross back & vote for the repuke in Nov. I thought everyone old enough to read about politics understood....it's how they start rigging the vote and it's only the beginning. They don't change en masse. Maybe a few have crossed over for good, but it would be a very few.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. that's exactly right....it is a very old political game...but, it seems that few are aware of it.

[ShadowLiberal]

18. I disagree with almost all of your charges.

1. No there isn't a vast right wing conspiracy to get us to pick Obama because he's weaker. All of the evidence clearly shows that Hillary was always a weaker candidate, with over half the nation already saying there's no way they'd ever vote for her.

2. If the republicans wanted to weaken us in the long run they'd be getting people to vote for Hillary to keep our bloody primary battle going and keep us attacking each other. Sure you may be able to argue that before Super Tuesday things were different, but not after it. Also most of the republicans who vote for Obama are moderates who are sick of the direction their party has taken in recent years under Bush.

3. Check the voting records, Hillary Clinton IS more conservative then Obama. Neither of them are conservatives though, but Hillary is more conservative then him.

4. Most of the red states were caucuses in which Obama had better organization to get his supporters out to vote and in which Hillary ignored for the most part.

5. McCain is attacking Obama to help unite the party around him, and to weaken the person who he believes will win the democratic nomination.

6. Chances are the Florida mess will hurt both democrats in the long run and cost Florida for both of them. However you shouldn't just blame the republicans, blame the moron democrats who didn't filibuster the moving of the primaries.

Overall, aside from your Florida charge, most of your charges are based on a vague conspiracy theory that the republicans are a 100% united force ready to screw us over by making us elect the weakest candidate, and the facts simply don't back up your charges. I will give you though that some Republicans probably went and voted in the democratic primary's since super Tuesday to vote for the weakest candidate, but for the most part, no they haven't been trying to force us to pick Obama.

[Danger Mouse]

20. i don't agree with this analysis.

i think that the republicans think they can have a field day with either candidate.
i think they they think wrong.

[BigBearJohn]

27. If Obama is nominee. imagine the crap the GOP will fling, "Hell! Even Obama's KIDS think he stinks!"

Then the really filthy attacks begin:

"Why would anyone vote for a guy who by his wife's PUBLIC admission
can't even manage his own personal hygiene? It's so bad that his wife says
that even Obama's own KIDS won't cuddle with him. Is this the guy you want to
entrust your kid's future to? It's time to put an adult in the White House.
Vote for John McCain."

If you think that's bad, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. Remember this, if the GOP
would go so far as to spread rumors about McCain fathering a black baby.... just
IMAGINE how ruthless their attacks will be if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
I shutter to think.

Hillary's already had 15 years of the GOP trying to destroy her. Yet, she still stands fighting.
They just can't knock her down. They haven't even begun to let loose the cannons on Barack.
Right now they're sitting back and sharpening their claws. We'll see how inspirational he'll be
when he's being broadsided by non-ending vicious attacks from all corners. Stand by.
(Pay no attention to Rove & friends behind the curtain.)

You're going to have to have some awfully high boots to wade through
all the crap on the way to November.

I hope we survive it.

[intaglio]

28. Doooooomed, Doooooomed we're all Doooooomed

copyright "Dad's Army" Corporal Frazer

[MadHound]

29. Sorry, but I think that you've got your tinfoil screwed on too tight

Your grand plot for why Obama is going to be our nominee left out a couple of very salient facts that simply couldn't have been effected by the 'Pugs(not like any of the points you bring up is valid, they're not, I'm just going to bring up two large reasons why Hillary is losing, neither of which could possibly be part of this conspiracy of yours).

First, Hillary had a horrible campaign plan. She assumed the air of inevitability, and did a frontal assault on a front loaded primary. She failed, failed miserably and didn't have a Plan B, or a ground game in place to back her ass up with in case things went South. This is a major reason that she failed, yet did the 'Pugs somehow steal this plan B? Did they somehow cause this? No, they didn't

Second, she pissed her money away in the beginning, draining her warchest to the point of now being in debt, when she now needs the money the most. Again, is this the fault of the 'Pugs? Did they force her to blow all her money before Super Tuesday so that she has none now? No they didn't, that was all Hillary.

Finally, I suppose that you're going to tell me that 'Pugs forced Hillary to hire some of the worst possible people for her campaign, right:eyes:

Sorry, but you really need to start dealing with the reality based world and not this conspiratorial crap. Doing so only makes you look bitter, desperate and foolish.

[gerrilea]

30. Finally someone else has seen the light

Great post...I've been saying this for a week...and have been accused of wanting McCain to be our next president and that I was just afraid...NOT SO...Very well written...:toast:

The polls not even 3 months ago showed Hillary winning the presidency over all the possible republican nominee's...were these polls wrong?

What's happened here...is exactly what you have stated ....PERIOD

People better wake up...before we loose another one...I don't want hear any whinnig in November how the election was stolen by the repukes or how there was voting "errors"


REMEMBER THE UNDERVOTES AND THE UNCOUNTED VOTES IN 2000 (in Florida, there were 178,000) AND 2004 (there were 3.4 million)...The Republicans still have their voting machines in all of these red states...

AND WHO WERE THESE VOTERS THAT DIDN'T GET THEIR VOTES COUNTED...MINORITIES...opps my bad for opening these old wounds!

OBAMA can't win, even if I supported him...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. TX OPEN Primary oders went out on Fox News for Republicans to vote OBAMA

[Skidmore]

32. Well, they certainly psyched you out, didn't they?

[Yurovsky]

35. Messboys ... strawberries ... (clink, clink, clink) ...

good grief ...

[Occam Bandage]

47. OP is using geometric logic.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. oppsI fotgot to add in Nader tactic

[cooolandrew]

42. The other day, an early polling station was moved and loads walked 7 miles to vote Obama...

...This is no conspiracy, people want Barack as their next president.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. I saw all those students of color walking to vote I never doubted that they weren't Democrats

[Johnny__Motown]

44. Rovian tactic, be afraid of the bad guy and vote for someone you otherwise wouldn't

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. okay cicada

[Occam Bandage]

45. If Obama is that weak, and yet Clinton is getting her ass kicked, she doesn't belong anywhere near

a Presidential race.

[Hippo_Tron]

48. You have no proof whatsoever that all of this is happening

I've seen no evidence that the RNC is coordinating massive efforts to get crossover voters to vote for Obama.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. Dick Morris on Fox News "all Texas Republicans vote for Obama in the Primary" Dennis Miller same....

RNC emails telling TX Repukes the same....there is tons of documented evidence

[madfloridian]

58. You trust Dick Morris?

oops

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. fuck no...but that isn't the point

[ContinentalOp]

49. If the republicans have handed us Obama as the candidate...

then this is the first time in my lifetime the republican party has done something I can approve of. Thank you Karl Rove!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. wow...just wow

[cottonseed]

50. Is Hillary a disgrace to her party?

If she can't protect us from that Republican plant Obama, isn't she sort of a failure?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. stick around a while and watch cicada

[ElsewheresDaughter]

51. yup it's working well ...today's brouhaha over the Obama photo and article are proof

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. kick for TX