Here comes the no flag pin attacks--- MSNBC is nothing more than a Brothel of whores.

[trumad]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23315711/

[dcindian]

1. Isn't it scary how coordinated the media is

With the political whims of say a Clinton or McCain.

In my opinion that tells a whole lot about the way Americans are kept in line, and exactly how free (scratch that corrupt) our press is.

[robbedvoter]

19. A Clinton of McCain? really? Cuz I missed the Clinton love on MSNBC..and all media

really...:shrug:
As a matter of fact, McCain didn't get much love until some time recently either. All the love went to one candidate only - can you guess who?

[BlackVelvet04]

21. That's just sticking your head in the sand....

the press have been nothing if not adoring of Obama. If you didn't see that you aren't paying attention.

BUT, the party is over.

[defendandprotect]

40. Yes . . . why are you watching it --- ????

[NoBorders]

2. And you have to like AP's source on the story:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179835.php

Gee, thanks AP for getting some thoughtful input from balanced sources.

I'm not saying rightwingers won't drool over this stuff, but to put out an article with 'analysis' from one major RW tool seems disingenious.

[Submariner]

3. Faux News fascists and Bush admin cronies all wear the flag pin

For me to see all those yellow-bellied draft-dodging cowards, one and all, wearing those flag pins reminds me of the German SS wearing the swastika arm band.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Am Truly Surprised At My Own Own Naivete

I really thought the press genuinely liked Obama...

[boston bean]

10. ha

:hi:

[robbedvoter]

11. Especially MSNBC....

Some thoughts on why MSM was promoting Obama
MSM is after a good story (unseating of inevitable choice)
MSM is actually impressed with Obama
MSM wants to kiss ass of the next president
MSM - they're human! maybe they want to stop being evil already
Both parties do it
They hate Clinton
Ted Kennedy!
Who cares what they're doing?
It's not true - what planet are you getting your news from?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4263047&mesg_id=4264834

[Garbo 2004]

33. It's an AP story and the author has a long history. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

20. I'm sorry that you have to face that fact....

I truly am. Most Obama supporters got really angry when we tried to them them they were being naive. I, for one, didn't do it out of nastiness or even meanness....I just knew what was coming. I hate to tell you, it's only just begun.

[eShirl]

5. the Republicans have made the flag pin part of their uniform

why would he wear the symbol claimed by Republicans as their own?

[Cassandra]

6. I can get flag pins...

at my local jewelry findings place. They cost a dollar each and are made in China. Pretty cheap patriotism if you ask me.

[Sparkly]

7. Who the hell wrote that??

If you were an anti-American fake, intent on doing damage do the country, wouldn't you make SURE that at every opportunity you wore a flag pin, called other people unpatriotic, expressed pride in our flawless America no matter what, etc. etc. etc.??

"Exposed" my ass.

[Sparkly]

8. And don't insult whores. nt

[robbedvoter]

9. hey, what happened to: "I love MSNBC!!!!They cover Ted's endorsement non-stop"

Not that I don't fully agree with the OP, but there was a time I had to remind DU-ers of the old "MSGOP" moniker...
FREE DAVID SCHUSTER?:shrug:

[Vinca]

12. What in the world have we sunk to?

You are not patriotic unless you have a Made In China flag pin and a Made In China yellow ribbon on the back of your gas guzzling SUV.

[BlackVelvet04]

23. I would like to go on record as saying

it's a really stupid, petty, vicious attack and it's BULLSHIT.

[calico1]

13. Well, you can expect to see more of this kind of stuff,

and not just from MSNBC. It's amazing how the press can put someone on a pedestal and then take them down. Yet people think the press has absolutely no influence.

[Telly Savalas]

14. I heard a rumor that Obama was once watching a baseball game on TV

and during the 7th inning stretch, instead of standing in front of the TV and singing God Bless America, he went to the kitchen to get more chips. Fucking traitor.

[jmg257]

26. I heard he liked basketball better THEN baseball! Treasonous Bastard!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

15. It's hard to find one not made in China.

I do have one thats made in USA, it's a cute angle flag pin.

[Jawja]

16. Well, here we go.

Obama is UNPATRIOTIC because he doesn't wear the Rethug mandated JEWELRY.

This is a Rethug tactic they always use against Democrats: DEMOCRATS ARE UNPATRIOTIC.

See, Obama is NOT wearing the Republican mandated flag pin; therefore, Obama is UNPATRIOTIC.

This is pathetic. Rethugs have NO successes to run on after having an iron grip on power the last 8 years. Rethugs and the GOP Corporate Media are now gearing up for the GE, in which McCain will be painted as the super patriotic war hero with military experience needed for this "time of war" and Obama will be painted as the liberal, unpatriotic, inexperienced, military-hating, cut and run BLACK MUSLIM who will cost us the "war on terra."

Bank on it.

on edit: I know Obama is not a Muslim; but the movement is underway already to identify him with the terrorists. You see, according to Rethugs, Muslim=Terrorist.

[goodgd_yall]

35. Debate remark

For this reason I don't think Obama was correct in saying he'd be the better candidate to debate Iraq with McCain because he was against the IWR. The Republicans will see that as proof that they can't trust him to do the "right thing" if we were attacked or if there were some other reason in their fantasies that would require U.S. military action. The Republicans will continue to use their age-old liberal=unpatriotic argument on Obama if he is the nominee.

[Golden Raisin]

17. Fasten your seatbelt. This is truly only the beginning.

Whomever ends up being the nominee will be subjected to rightwing swift-boating and bull like this pin = patriotism on a scale of ugly which will make what happened to Kerry look like Winnie the Pooh's Tea Party. And stop insulting brothels and whores.

[LibDemAlways]

18. The overt attacks are one thing Obama can

easily fire back on. The more insidious problem for Obama will be the race baiting the media is already beginning to engage in. Case in point, the 20/20 story Friday night, that came right out and said that white people equate black males with crime. Expect to see a lot more of that in the months to come.

[BlackVelvet04]

27. No, he can't.

It's not going to be easy to overcome the vicious attacks and to think it is is very naive.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Oh Yes we can......

Obama Pledging allegiance to the flag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svo9mutE6TM

Obama Voted To Require Pledge Of Allegiance Recital Requirement. Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. <92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0>

Letter from Generals supporting Obama and their take on his patriotism
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/GeneralPledgeLetter.pdf


Obama Had Not Worn A Flag Pin For Years, Said Patriotism Resided In The Heart And Not The Lapel. The Chicago Tribune reported, "His campaign, sensing the issue was dominating campaign news, had earlier made clear he had not worn such a pin for years. 'I'm less concerned about what you are wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart,' he said under a county fairgrounds pavilion here, a giant American flag draped behind him. 'You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those ones who served.' He suggested that some politicians who wear such pins act in disingenuous ways. 'After a while, you know, you start noticing people wearing a lapel pin, but not acting very patriotic, not voting to provide veterans with the resources that they need,' he said."

...A SENTIMENT ECHOED BY MILITARY BRASS AND THE DES MOINES REGISTER
Danzig, McPeak, Gration: "Barack Obama Is A Patriot." "'Senator Obama's attackers are peddling lies and smears because they disagree with his strong opposition to the war in Iraq and the rush to war in Iran,' wrote Richard Danzig, secretary of the Navy under President Bill Clinton, and
retired Gens. Merrill "Tony" McPeak and J. Scott Gration. 'We have served this nation for decades, and we know a true patriot when we see one. Barack Obama is a patriot.'"

General McPeak: Patriotism Is Hard Work; Pin Flap Is Business As Usual, Obama Wants To Turn The Page. When asked on a conference call about Obama no longer wearing an American flag pin, General Tony McPeak said, "'This business about the lapel pin, I think the senator understands that patriotism is hard work...If you could just do it by placing a flag on your lapel, that would be pretty easy.' McPeak then dismissed the flag flap as 'petty symbolism.' 'This pin flap is kind of business as usual. Isn't that the old politics, the gotcha politics,' he said. 'Barack stands for turning the page. Let's do something substantial here.'"

Des Moines Register: Obama Was Right About Wearing The Flag Pin And True Patriotism. The Des Moines Register wrote in an editorial, "When we searched eBay for "flag lapel pins," the Web site returned more than 400 hits. With shipping as low as 60 cents, buyers can have a little nugget of patriotism delivered right to their doors. Following 9/11, these small pins could be found on nearly every politician. Over time, the novelty wore off, and people tucked the pins in drawers (or sold them online). Still, when a reporter in Iowa asked presidential candidate Barack Obama why he wasn't wearing a pin, it turned into a national news story. The pin, Obama said, "became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security. I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."

He rightly noted that some people wearing lapel pins don't act very patriotic. Staff from other campaigns criticized him. One political analyst said the absence of the pin might hurt him politically. Reporters started asking other candidates about the whereabouts of their pins. Perhaps in an image-fixated world, a flag secured to one's lapel speaks louder than words or actions. But Obama is right. It shouldn't."

[babylonsister]

32. Great post, FrenchieCat! Bookmarking this for future reference. nt

[LibDemAlways]

39. I never said he could overcome the attacks, only that he

could respond to them, which he will.

I think, however, that the r's will be playing very dirty and will wage a very racist campaign without attacking him personally. The 20/20 story from Friday was a racial hit piece masquerading as an expose on what people do when they see a crime being committed. It sent a clear message that white people think black people are up to no good.

R's are masters at playing to people's fears and prejudices, and I expect them to pull out all the stops this time around in order to keep the WH.

[Adams Wulff]

42. Still no reason to vote for Hillary. n/t

[u2spirit]

22. I get the feeling

That only the 19 percenters will even pay attention.

[BlackVelvet04]

25. Then you are naive. n/t

[jmg257]

24. Question: when did it become expected to place your hand on your heart during the Anthem?

I don't recall that, other then for the pledge.(?)

[FrenchieCat]

28. Yesterday.

[redstate_democrat]

29. I HOPE HOPE HOPE

He doesn't fall for their tricks and starts wearing the pin.

Look, this is HIS PLAN. There is a REASON he doesn't wear the pin. The Repugs will naturally make this an "issue". They are throwing him a soft ball so he can knock it out the park.

Repug: Why are you not wearing a flag pin? You're unpatriotic!!

Obama: Why did you choose to deny our troops the armor and supplies they needed when they were sent over to fight a war that should have never been authorized or waged? Unnecessarily placing our troops in harms way, using them for improper purposes, while leaving the Homeland vunerable to a now stronger al Quada is unpatriotic.

Repug: But, but, you are unpatriotic! Faux news said so!

Obama: But you, in your faux patriotism, failed to protect and defend the Constitution with illegal wiretaps, overreaching executive immunity claims, suspension of habeous corpus, torture, and things we have yet to learn.

Repug: Black, unpatriotic bastard!

Obama: It is time for us to get beyond our divisions, black-white, red state-blue state, women-men, and focus on lifting the country up instead of tearing each other down. My grandfather taught me how to pledge allegiance to the flag. He fought in Patton's army and taught me that the true demonstration of patriotism is standing up for the core ideals of this country and its Constitution, never going to war unless absolutely necessary, and protecting the interests of Americans over the wealthy and well connected. That is true patriotism and you can't wear that on your lapel.

Check and Mate.

[cooolandrew]

31. We must push home that attacks on the constitution are unpatriotic over not wearing a kids badge.

Barack's patriotism was highlighted only other week voting against telecom immnity. That is patriotism you can count on. Than patriotism through what have become empty symbols.

[Medusa]

34. Hell I'd rather watch Fox

at least you know what you're getting with them. MSNBC pretends to be friendly to Dems but nothing could be farther from the truth.

[RememberWellstone]

36. First time in their lives

they are proud to be Americans..right.

[AX10]

37. Funny how Obamites had no problem with MSNBC's Obama love...

fest the past few months.

[trumad]

38. Dude--I'm a hillary lover

but this is bullshit and so is your stupid post.

[Zhade]

41. Hey, stop maligning whores.

NT!

[NastyRiffraff]

43. The OP has insulted whores everywhere! Take that back1

Seriously, the lovefest is over. Obama is going to get more and more of this silly stuff. Anyone remember the media War Against Gore? He was stiff, he wore earthtones, he invented the media, he "lost" debates with Bush because Bush "exceeded expectations" by not actually drooling. It was relentless and vicious. The media LOVES doing this stuff to Dems.

And of course, everybody remembers what they flung against Clinton. Never mind "All Monica, All the Time." There was the bogus Whitewater story, to begin with. He and/or Hillary, or maybe BOTH supposedly murdered Vince Foster. When he was running in '92 he was accused of being a traitor.

Hillary has been subject to this shit for years. Now let's see how Obama manages it. It scares me that so many here think he's invulnerable and that he can handle it easily. The media thinks it's FUN (in the words of Margaret Carlson) to attack Dems.

[Johnny__Motown]

44. may face grilling..... is he exposed..... seems to be reasonable questions

We know the repugs will throw everything they have. Why wait for them to do it? Isn't it better to discuss these issues in an open forum (such as the media is) with as many accurate descriptions of the circumstances as possible?


I don't have a problem with it. I would even prefer to deal with this now so it is all old news during the General Election.

They won't stick. Not everyone wears a silly little pin. They can't tell me I don't love my country just because I don't wear a pin. They can't tell me he does not love this country because he does not wear a pin.