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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:30 AM Original message |
Did Clinton criticize W's attack on Iraq at the time of or soon |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. NO, she didn't. She was still hawking the war in 2006. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. She entered the Senate with such potential to be a leader... then failed to lead. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Remember when we ALL used to defend her? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. She was and is an excellent leader for NY |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I'm sure she's a fine regional leader. But that's not the job... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I live on LI and I strongly disagree with that statement. I hope another Democrat has... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Call your Senators' offices TODAY. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. Exactly what I've been saying. Kerry voted for IWR and stood against the DECISION to invade |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Thanks for the reminder about Senator Kerry. I thought that |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Hillary's interview in 2004. Why not just read the entire thing? |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Here is Kerry in 2004. Show me a dime's worth of difference. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. She didn't oppose it AS IT WAS HAPPENING - Kerry was and the only REASON HRC even |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. But Obama didn't vote on it at all! |
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Fire_brand (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. nope, she hid |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Welcome to DU and I love your button. (eom) |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. google shows no "Shame on You, George!"... n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. In Nov 2003, "stay the course" |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
11. Not criticized until late in the year, but was urging different action before.. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Here is more saying what she did in 2003 based on a letter |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Pretty low-profile stuff for a LEADER. You ACCEPT that CYA stuff and want to sell it |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. So, a speech in 2002, reversal to say "I probably would have |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Why are people so consumately dishonest about what Obama |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Reply to what was posted - Clintons WERE the face of the Dem party and did WHAT? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. More on President Clinton opposing the war against the beginning: |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. This is interesting but not germane to Senator Clinton's |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. They are attacked with the same lies from the same liars, and |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Read my post. I did think it interesting just irrelevant to whether |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Well, if what she said to the AP while Bush was moving the |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Speaking out against an immoral, disastrous war is not |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. March 3, 2003 was *before* the war. About 2 and a half weeks before. |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Think what you want. Neither you or anyone else can point |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. As I read the link, Senator Clinton criticized the conduct of the |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Here is part of the link that you may have missed: |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. The question that remains unanswered was whether she |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. She wouldn't do ANY OF THESE THINGS IN A PUBLIC WAY. This is CYA stuff done |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Yeah, well that Mar 3, 2003 quote was from Associated Press, perfect |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Again this is a quote prior to the war's commencement. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I was replying to the poster saying she hid her comments in the Associated Press |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. She finds cameras when she WANTS to be seen and heard on issues. Just not THIS issue, eh? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. She took the war seriously. She was a leader, |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. She did NOT. Ever hear her interview with Iraq Study Group? HAHAHAHAHAH |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. Sorry Chieftain, didn't mean to kill the thread by countering the |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Thanks for your crocodile tears. Note my response to your post. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I did. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. Actually Bill Clinton suggested Bush could bypass the UN |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Link please. I provided them, you should, too. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Here you go- Clinton's 2003 Larry King interview (Iraq comments) |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. This was Blair's reasoning, too. No doubt discussed with Bill. Bush didn't NEED a new resolution |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Here is the full quote of what Bill said in 2004 book tour. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. This quote was after the fact |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
73. It wasn't a bypass of the UN. He felt the first resolutions covered subsequesnt action. nt |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. DLC members are pro-war. nt |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
38. Please see post # 29 for link which shows Clinton's (Bill's) true stance |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. clue: O's no better than hill, and the time to make a stand on IWR was 2002 and 2004, not 2008 fer c |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Yeah and Gore was no better than Bush and Kerry was no |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. She was proud to be part of the strong and wrong crowd |
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andyrowe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. When was the first instance of her stating that Shrub |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
52. Ouch. This video I found on a search is extremely damning to Clinton |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Thanks for the link, I had not seen this. What it tells me is |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. The posters find some crumb HRC handed out at some point and they hang their hats on it |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You're right and it is analogous to the RWers who watch |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. Before.......On the Senate floor...... |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. You touch a key part of her problem Why would anyone |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. "These statements alone ought to disqualify someone from being president." |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I have long favored a parliamentary system of government but |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. talk about having it both ways! n/t |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. You are talking to the wind. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. that does not square with the video I posted above |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. And she was right in doing so. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. she wasn't arguing for more time for the inspectors |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. She did in the Associated Press interview on 3/3/03, posted above. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. the AP interview is pretty weak |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
70. If you look at her speech, she was spewing the same propaganda... |
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