OK, DUers. Who would you rather see on this board?

[jgraz]

[shadowknows69]

1. Because once you go Democrat you don't go back

B-) All converts welcome!

[Dhalgren]

47. But what if the voter is only voting for Obama and is not changing Parties?

What if the voter is going to support the entire Republican ticket, except vote for Obama? Would that make a difference to you?

[Recursion]

50. That's much better than the voter supporting McCain and a GOP ticket

Don't you get that?

[Dhalgren]

54. Sure. I wish all Republicans would vote for the Democratic nominee.

But the question was would you want them on this board. My answer is "no". If they are converts and have become Democrats, then fine; but they are only voting for the Democratic presidential nominee and are otherwise still a Republican, then they can stay away.

Do you get that?

[LostinVA]

61. Exactly

And, it's a scenario that the Admins already thought of, as the main DU rule is that this is a site for DEMOCRATS AND PROGRESSIVES.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

2. Both...Provided you're not a Freeper

I have no problem with Republicans on the board here, if they've come to have an honest and intelligent debate on the issues. Freepers are Trolls are not here for that purpose, and should be tossed out by their short-hairs as quickly as possible.

[1awake]

3. It's kinda sad in a way...

Afew republicans acting like democrats, and afew democrats acting like republicans. Guess we aren't in Kansas anymore.

[onehandle]

4. No Republicans.

This is Democratic Underground. Nobody can stay a Republican and progressive at the same time.

Voting for one Democrat proves nothing. Leave the party.

[jgraz]

6. I agree on the Repub/Progressive thing

My question is, which one do you think will go first?

[backscatter712]

8. "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"

Do you know what you sound like?

[onehandle]

10. Have you ever -no problem. Are you now -problem.

Fuck Republicans.

[LostinVA]

From the DU rules:

"Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates."

[onehandle]

15. Yep. "for Democrats and other progressives"

That leaves Republicans out. They are neither Democratic or progressive.

They're not welcome.

This isn't Obama Underground or Hillary Underground.

[backscatter712]

11. Just wanted to remind us...

that before we are Democrats or Republicans, we are Americans.

Personally, I'm more than happy to welcome Republicans, as long as they are open-minded and respectful. They're going out on a limb by leaving their party. Who can blame them? Aside from the Kool-Aid-drinking freepers, there are a lot of Republicans out there who are fed up with George W. Bush, who are seeing where he's taking this country, and seeing a lot of people suffering, and are looking at us as an alternative.

We need to make room for them - we could turn some of them into Democrats if we don't get too paranoid and chase them off for no reason.

[onehandle]

16. If they are Republicans, They're NOT "leaving the party."

Democrats and progressive non-Republicans only.

[backscatter712]

26. All I'm asking is that we make a little room.

Not too much. We don't have to let disrupting freepers pwn the forums. But if a soon-to-be-ex-Republican wants to explore what the Democratic Party has to offer, and he's respectful, and he's open to being sold, then I say we sell him on what it means to be progressive, rather than chase him off.

Do you want to be ideologically pure, or do you want to build a broad progressive majority and actually get things done in this country? If we want to get things done, we have to be ready to sell our viewpoint to anyone who will listen.

[hendo]

13. woohoo

Yay for McCarthyism. I just wish she realized that is exactly what she sounds like.

[LostinVA]

52. This is a privately owned site whose owners set the rules -- leave if you don't like them

And, as per the rules, DU is for Democrats and Progressives who are expected to support Democratic candidates.

Seeing an open Republican embraced on here BECAUSE OF THE DEM CANDIDATE THEY'RE SUPPORTING while long-time, known progressives are attacked because they support the OTHER DEM candidate is disconcerting and against the rules.\

DU has become a scary place most unlike its former self.

[hendo]

14. woohoo

Yay for McCarthyism. I just wish she realized that is exactly what she sounds like.

[WilliamPitt]

22. Like a member of DU who is cognizant of the rules

People can go play on the Yahoo boards if they want to bang heads with the Savage legions.

DU is for the good guys, period. This is our treehouse, and the admins fought like rabid badgers to hold it and keep it just so.

There's a billion websites on the internet. This one isn't for GOP-voting human catastrophes who are screwing themselves profoundly by their GOP support but don't know or care to know. Same difference, and no thanks.

[LostinVA]

53. Right back at you, Will

[Drunken Irishman]

25. So does that mean Hillary is banned from DU?

Since, you know, she was a Republican once?

:D

[onehandle]

27. She's not a Republican and was only one as a youngster for her family.

She got better decades ago. If she becomes a Republican she's not welcome.

[Drunken Irishman]

30. I think anyone who votes Democratic is welcome on this board.

[LostinVA]

55. Not per DU rules

[ieoeja]

37. How do you define youngster?

She worked for Nelson Rockefeller's Republic presidential campaign in 1968 and attended the RNC convention that year for Nixon's nomination. She left the Republic Party because Nixon's supporters treated her rudely at that convention.

She didn't leave the Republic Party because of racism.
She didn't leave the Republic Party because of the war.
She didn't leave the Republic Party because of poverty.
She left because a bunch of Republics were mean to her personally.

[lumpy]

41. Clinton quit the Republicans because she saw the light.

Because the Republican concept is dog eat dog, capitalism rules.

[better tomorrow]

46. Hillary's parents were Republicans....

[Recursion]

63. I see your point, but I found your choice of words funny

Nobody can stay a Republican and progressive at the same time.

I seem to recall the term "progressive" being coined to describe Republicans (100 years ago). You have a good point, it was just a funny thing to see.

I still disagree; I know a (vanishingly few) progressive Republicans, as well as many reactionary Democrats.

[Mz Pip]

5. Whoever will support our

nominee. There are lots of pissed off Republicans who we should welcome into our supposedly big tent.

Anyone who supports McCain is not helping our cause. Not in the least.

[LostinVA]

56. Then PM Skinner, EarlG, and Elad to change the rules

Until then, open Republicans are not supposed to post on here, and neither are Dem/Progressive McCain, Nader, et al supporters.

[xultar]

7. If he'd supported Clinton you'd all be busting your fucking nuts.

That's not the fucking point. Just a few months ago DINOS and moderates were on PURGE and now people are welcoming Republicans just cuz he supports Obama.


Yes. They wanted to fucking purge the Democrats we do have and now they are welcoming a Republican who says Obama is fucking more conservative than the Congress.

WTF DU has no goddamned credibility.

[SIMPLYB1980]

12. Yep it's sad. And the mods let all the anti Clinton shit stand,

but post something about Obama and see how quickly it gets shut down. I just wonder if Obama does win will I have to stop supporting universal health care and gay rights, if I will have to support military action against Pakistan, and many other things I don't agree with or get the tombstone.

[maddiejoan]

17. Do what I'm going to do!

I'm gonna opt into Obama's unaffordable compromise on UHC and demand they pay to cure me of being Gay!

Then I can get married and stuff too!

[SIMPLYB1980]

23. LoL!

:spray:
Thanks I needed that.:toast:

[jgraz]

29. OK, that's pretty funny

I'll argue your points some other time -- for now I'll just :rofl:

[maddiejoan]

31. I will never accuse you of being humorless.

so ya got that goin' for ya ;)

[jgraz]

32. and the parrot thing -- don't forget that

:hi:

[maddiejoan]

35. Never will!

I printed out a pic of Gnocchi and put it next to Jake's cage :)

He loves it!

[LostinVA]

9. Huh, interesting thing I just read in the DU rules:

"Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates."


Republicans are neither Democratic Party members nor progressives.

[onehandle]

18. Exactly. nt

[hendo]

19. supporting a democrat?

I think that by supporting a democrat the recent republican members are holding true to the rules of this forum. After all you posted the rule yourself, let me re-quote the important part.

support Democratic candidates for political office

It seems to me as though they are living up to the rules just fine. Although, I do respect your posts in other areas of the forum, LostinVA, so I hope I am not coming across as hostile.

[onehandle]

21. "for Democrats and other progressives"

That leaves Republicans out. They are neither Democratic or progressive.

[hendo]

24. Missing the point

You seem to be sticking too closely to the wording and are missing the point. Strict constructionism doesn't work with the constitution and it doesn't work with the rules here either. Someone who is progressive should find little threat in a republican coming over to thier cause.

[LostinVA]

49. I don't feel threatened, and I doubt onehandle does, either

Republicans have their own boards to go to, and there are also some "both" boards. Currently, DU isn't one of those, and it is disturbing to me that poster who are now publicly declaring themselves as Republicans are being welcomed with opened arms, at the same time that known DU liberals and progressives are being shunned, baited, mocked, insulted, and told to leave DU because they are voting for the "wrong" candidate.

Yeah, I see something wrong with this picture.

[hendo]

67. I'm not saying that

I am not saying that you have to leave. In fact I enjoy your presence. However I fail to see how attacking someone else for wanting to say that they support Obama is productive.

However, I would like to point out that not all progressives are democrats and not all democrats are progressives.

Don't pay attention to the negative Obama supporters, we aren't all that bad. I might even save some koolaid for you ;)

[LostinVA]

69. I agree not all progressives are Dems and vice versa -- I'm not a Dem

I'm a member of the DSA and consider myself a Democratic Socialist, not a Democrat. However, there are plenty of bipartisan boards, but DU isn't one of them. Skinner, Elad, and EarlG created this place for DEMS and PROGRESSIVES. Someone who declares openly that they are still a Republican means that they don't fit the "For Democrats and other progressives" thing. I'm NOT attacking them for supporting Obama. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just stating that DU is not for Republicans. It literally isn't. The rules SAY it isn't. I don't want ANY openly Republican posters on here, be they supporters of HRC, Obama, Gore, Biden, Edwards, etal.


However, you're not some crazed cultist (that was a joke), so I don't want to get into a cyber fight with you!

[LostinVA]

45. DU is for Dems and progressives as per the rules

Those Dems and progressives are supposed to publicly support the Dem candidates, not Indies, Greens, Socialists, etc.

Nice out-of-context cut and paste there.

[xultar]

20. Unless they support OBama then it's o.k. But if you are considered a DINO or Moderate you're purged

[jgraz]

28. The real decision point for me is whether they are helping progressive causes

A Repub voting Dem is making the country more progressive. A stealth DINO Bush enabler is hurting the cause -- much more than if they were just a flat-out Repug.

[xultar]

62. Well the one that posted here things that Obama is more conservative than

congress.

So mainly he thinks he's voting for the most conservative non Clinton.

ROFL

[lumpy]

33. Ridiculous question. Some of us would rather see true

Democrats who are not denigrating ANY of our candidates.

[jgraz]

38. Not ridiculous at all. The admins are going to have to deal with this question very soon

We have threads from both types of people up on our site today. I'm just interested in seeing what the crowd thinks of it.

[better tomorrow]

34. I'm just glad that for now...

I can be on a Democrat board....because when the real campaign starts, I can be on the Freeper board as a "newbie" and irritate them just as much.....oh, what fun! Boy do I have an arsenal....

[Guava Jelly]

36. How can we claim to be the party of tolerance and inclusion

If we shun a person of a rival party to extends a hand.
I have family members who call themselves republicans..
Believe it or not they are not all evil.

[better tomorrow]

39. I wonder if Hillary will extend a hand tonight

to Obama? How do we expect to be the party of inclusion if we exclude our own.....

[Guava Jelly]

40. I would hope in the end no matter the results

that they would extend a mutual hand out to each other.

They are battling for a job so of course their is going to be some acrimony but really they aren't much different.

And I just want to say for the record that if a republican came here and supported any democrat even if they were out of the race and not my choice I would still welcome them.

[better tomorrow]

44. but if Obama pulls out her chair for her again tonight....

all the Hillary lovers on here will cry "SEXIST". So, he's in a Catch 22.....

[Guava Jelly]

51. People on both sides will see what they want to see.

and find a reason to bitch about whatever.
I Myself will bitch about nothing and let the voters decide.
And when they do I will back their choice.

[LostinVA]

43. You know I love you, man

But, DU is a board for Dems and progressives, as per Skinner's rules. I REALLY don't want to have open Republicans posting on here; some of the "conservative Dems" are bad enough. Having the GOP elephant used on here as a non-ironic avatar bothers me. And yes, I'd say that no matter who they're "supporting."

[Guava Jelly]

48. I know and understand where you are coming from.

I guess in a way I hope that I can save a few.
Hell some of them may be democrats and just don't know it.
I figure if they turn freeper then they will be dealt with by the overlords.
(And you know I think the world of you and the lovely wife :) )

[LostinVA]

58. Because it's against DU rules

:sigh:

And, YOU'RE one of the good guys.

[Guava Jelly]

70. .

:hug:

[MyNameGoesHere]

42. No never not in a million years.

because i know that when i reach to extend my hand, they will stab me in the back and smile in my face. I am not naive.

[RoadRage]

57. I don't understand the logic behind "banishing" republicans..

especially those who come here not to troll, but to share views, especially if they're choosing to vote for a Dem this fall.

Shame on anyone who thinks that these people should not be allowed - how the HELL are we suppose to expand the party by only being exclusive?

I think the bigger issue with this is WHO the republican is voting for though.. or who they're NOT voting for. Not the fact that they're a republican.

Sad, really.

[LostinVA]

60. Then I guess shame on Skinner, Elad, and EarlG -- they are THEIR rules

And it's their board. I don't fucking want this is become a "bipartisan board." They already exist.

It's interesting to me that some DUers who are VERY vocal about Greens, etc. being on here are mysteriously AWOL right now. Very telling.

[Cha]

59. If that's not the cutest

little poll to honor one of our newest members from the Armed Services!

[cooolandrew]

64. I read the terms today and it said the board is for those that want to get Democrats elected.

[LostinVA]

65. That is NOT what it says at all

Jesus, at least be honest about this new "BipartisanUnderground" some here suddenly want to embrace.


Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

[Lilith Velkor]

66. The McCain rooter

So I can cuss them out with a relatively clear conscience.

[BringBigDogBack]

68. Option 1