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Wed Feb-27-08 08:18 PM
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If HRC wins Texas and Ohio by a squeaker.... |
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Will that be enough for her to stay in until the very bitter end - even though the delegate count (minus the supposed super commitments) remain in Obama's favor?
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:19 PM
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If she wins them both, this will go on until the convention.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:19 PM
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2. its all a perception game so absolutely nt |
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:20 PM
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3. She will try but superdelegates would force her out before Pennsylvania. |
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If she wins both OH and TX by 1-4%
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:22 PM
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4. As long as the money keeps coming in |
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she can campaign as long as she likes, win or lose.
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:13 PM
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26. The money has given considerable trouble as of late. |
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She ended Jan. $7.6 million in debt, not even counting her $5 million loan to herself.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:22 PM
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5. As an Obama supporter. I certaily wish she wouldn't,,,, but I think if she wins both |
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she ows it to her supporters to stay in. I don't think she can win it.because the pledged delegat gap is probably to big....but I think if she wins bothshe should probably stay in......
Her problem howver is that she has an uphill battle of finances.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:25 PM
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6. unless either has a massive win in both |
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it will go probably all the way to the convention
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:28 PM
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7. If she wins both by 1% she would probably win the nomination |
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The media narrative would be overwhelming.
The thing is, Obama is the man because he's winning. If he lost TX and OH he would have a long period of examination as "a loser"
Not fair, but that's how it works. And then Obama would drop in polls a little, and so on...
It is fine to talk about delegate counts, but the media looks at states and wins.
So PA would be presented as "for all the marbles" and she would probably win PA.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:42 PM
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10. Unless Hillary wins BIG in TX AND OH, she will still be seriously behind in both |
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pledged deleglates and total popular vote. She can't squeak by with 1% and still be viable. Already, PA is tightened up. Not going to be the sure fail fire wall it looked like it was going to be. (actually, how many firewalls has Hillary used already?).
Obama is going to win Texas. It is going to be close in Ohio, no clear winner either way. That is my prediction.
Hillary will not end her campaign because she is in it to win. And if she can't win it for herself, she will win it for her friend, McCain so she can run again in 4 years.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:50 PM
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14. No, that isn't how it works. |
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LIke it or not, the media doesn't make or break the candidates, they do that all on their own.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:53 PM
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16. The media ultimately decides all Presidential elections. Period. |
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I don't know where you're from, but here in America that's how it works.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:58 PM
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18. Fashionably Cynical, but wrong under any examination. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:05 PM
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24. Well phrased response, but ignorant by any mode of analysis |
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:14 PM
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27. Good paraphrasing - still wrong. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:51 PM
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... as delusional as she is.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:56 PM
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17. You GOTTA be kidding me. |
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"Obama is the man because he's winning" - correct, but incomplete. Obama is winning HUGE.
Hillary needs double-digit wins in TX AND OH to remain viable.
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:07 PM
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25. Thanks for the tedious regurgitation of the conventional wisdom! |
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:25 PM
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29. You're quite welcome - hopefully it will make you smarter. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:35 PM
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8. If she loses one, it's over. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:01 PM
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23. Even if she wins TX OH & PA, she will lose. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:47 PM
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11. It is a reasonable one. |
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In that scenario she probably would win Rhode Island also, losing only relatively low population Vermont, even though Obama has the advantage of both more money and momentum going for him now. That would make the remaining contests critical, because Obama would then need to show that he can win some without a strong momentum wind blowing at his back like it was during most of February. If Clinton went on a roll starting on the 4th, coming back from being counted out by most, the late momentum would all be hers. And you know what people say about late breaking momentum.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:47 PM
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12. she needs 58% of all remaining pledged delegates to catch Obama |
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A near 50-50 split in Texas and Ohio simply isn't good enough to change the math in her favor. The opposite will happen. If she gets below 58% of the delegates on that day then the percentage she needs to catch up increases.
There is no mechanism in place to force her out so she can stay in no matter what. If she decides to stay in after 3/4 under the conditions you described then the super delegates may move en mass to Sen. Obama and perhaps that may force her to drop out before the 4/22 PA contest. The super delegates and the money being donated are the two things to watch if she does carry on after 3/4.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:48 PM
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13. If she doesn't win both with huge margins, |
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:58 PM
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19. And if she loses both. . . |
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will the finishing line be moved yet again?
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:59 PM
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No matter how small the margins of victory they may be.
Fortunately, polls are increasingly showing that Obama will win Texas.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:59 PM
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21. If she wins Ohio and Texas by any margin, she will definitely stay in. |
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If she wins those states, it will be a very, very big victory.
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:00 PM
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22. It depends on how you define a win. |
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Here in Texas, delegates are apportioned by a rather strange formula, so Hillary could win the popular vote yet still come out on the short end of the delegate count. She'd have to win the population centers by some big numbers to get more delegates than Barack. I truly don't see that happening, especially with an organized effort by Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary against Hillary.
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:28 PM
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30. Oh, well, if she wins the popular vote in Texas, then she can count on all their super delegates! |
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Nothing is chiseled into stone, so it's anybody's guess as to how that would play out.
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Wed Feb-27-08 09:23 PM
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28. Then there's "Neo-Gore"....he's in the wings if it all falls down! n/t |
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Wed Feb-27-08 10:11 PM
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31. If she wins both . . . pigs will fly |
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Wed Feb-27-08 11:17 PM
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32. Well of COURSE not. She should drop out NOW for the Savior Obama to be crowned... |
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sorry, bit annoyed at a thread in another forum that is calling her campaign a setback for women to the stone age and she should just have stayed home and baked cookies from an Obama supporter.
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