Hillary! PLEASE do NOT drop out... Even if you lose Ohio & Texas!

[The Anti-Bush]

Okay, assuming that Hillary doesn't beat Obama by the huge numbers she needs to in order to get back into this, here is why she CANNOT drop out.

The longer she stays in, the better off we are in the GE. Assuming that she stops the negative ads, her presence only helps Obama. Again, ASSUME she stops negative ads.

With her in, he can continue to raise money and use it to attack McCain instead of defending himself from Hillary. Get it? This way, if she stays in, basically for the good of the party, he can keep banking cash and come the convention take public finance.

Then he has $85 million to split up for two months. I mean, this is a win win situation. He will have tons of cash on hand for the GE, he gets to slam McCain for the rest of the year, and keeps the RNC & McCain from calling him a hypocrite by accepting public financing.

Of course, this all hinges on Hillary's willingness to suck it up and check her ego. And if she doesn't win Texans AND Ohio, we all know that it is basically impossible for her to win anyway.

Do not take this as an attack on Hillary, because it isn't. It's a way for her to really support the party. And in return, Hillary pretty much gets to pick her position in his cabinet.

What do you all think? I think this makes perfect sense. We get to have our cake and eat it too.

[TooBigaTent]

1. Dems are never smart enough to make strategic moves like this. Or brave enough.

That is why they have been outmaneuvered by the republics since forever.

[Avalux]

17. What's this "they"? You do not speak very well of Democrats. n/t

[The Anti-Bush]

29. I thought I smelled something funny there... Wasn't sure.

[TooBigaTent]

34. Just "our" congressional jellyfish. Last I looked, no one here on DU held an elected office in DC.

I could be wrong, though. I have seen enough flag-waving and thanks for your service and McCain is a hero here lately to make me think that some Democratic officials stop by here from time to time.

And I will continue to speak ill of Democrats who are selling out the party and the country to the right. Eventually, that (criticism of Dems) may not be allowed, but until that day, I will not willingly and happily accept the DLC-version of Democracy.

[bellasgrams]

48. Everyone always blasts the DLC but the DNC is the one that

really messed up this election.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. Yet the Pugs already have their nomination.

No makey sense.

[eleny]

2. Where would she get the financing to go so long if she doesn't win states?

Her contributions could very well dry up.

[BuyingThyme]

3. That was true before she started hate baiting.

Now she just needs to go away forever.

[bellasgrams]

49. Hillary has every right to defend herself against BO's nasty

assaults. He has successfully divided this party for years to come.

[tridim]

88. Take note, it's now Obama's "nasty assaults"

I'd ask this poster for an example of a "nasty assault" from the Obama camp, but I'm willing to bet that wasn't the intent of the post at all. The real intent is much more ugly and sad.

[rodeodance]

72. It was BO who started the RACE=baiting---and continues it.

[rodeodance]

75. How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton--Somali costume latest episode

Read it. and weep

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton--Somali costume latest episode
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4803561#4803561
4803561, How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton--Somali costume latest episode
Posted by candice on Wed Feb-27-08 08:32 PM

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps.

...the Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. Hillary should concede if she looses Ohio and Texas.

Obama will be very effective at continuing to raise money without Hillary in the race. And then he will be able to use the money to
campaign only against McCain. This will be money well spent as McCain and the crew will be attempting to whittle him down
between now and the convention.

As soon as Hillary drops out, the fall race begins. And that is how it should be. The sooner the better. We need unity now.
Remember that the money she is spending now to defeat Obama would also be much better spent on defeating McCain.

Think through again what you are saying. It really makes little sense if you consider the larger picture.

[The Anti-Bush]

11. Are you kidding me?

As soon as she drops out, if he wants to take public finance, his fundraising stops.

If Hillary stays in, he can keep on raising money and use it to attack McCain, AND take public finance down the road.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. No his funding for the GE starts after the convention.

He has a significant advantage over until then because he did not take the pubic funds and McCain did.
I believe that McCain is currently trying to get out his primary public financing.

[cali]

39. you have no concept of how this all works.

None. He can funraise as much as he wants whether she's in or out. An he shouln't take public financing for the general. Really, it's better not to spout off when you're clueless.

[Leopolds Ghost]

58. What kind of fools would urge Dems to abandon the campaign finance system?

Sorry cali but this is a cynical, idiotic and un-progressive stance.

And since most Obama fans agree with you I can only assume the Obama "movement"
is a center-right yuppie coalition that does not give a good gad damn about progressive values.

And I say that as someonewho would NEVER pick Hillary over Obama...

[cali]

92. most progressives on the internet and off support

the dem nominee not taking federal funding in the general. Hillary has no intention of taking it if she's the nominee. That system is irrevocably broken, in case you hadn't noticed. And Obama has 1 million donors- the vast majority of them small donors who can give over and over again. Only people who are sadly ignorant about the system would suggest that taking federal funds in the general is a good idea, and sorry it has fuck all to do with being a "center right yuppie coalition". That's just stupid.

[The Anti-Bush]

80. see post 78

[The Anti-Bush]

97. That's pretty darned rude.

I spent a lot of time thinking about that. And yes, I was wrong, but what purpose does it serve to talk to me like that? That is just wrong.

My intentions were in the right place. How about giving me credit for that? Ever hear of constructive criticism?

[TwilightGardener]

5. No. Obama needs to save his cash and his energies--no more fighting

the war on two fronts. No more attacks on his character and qualifications from his own side. It's time to end this shit.

[SoFlaJet]

10. ding ding ding

exactly WD

[The Anti-Bush]

18. That's why I said if Hillary will stop attacking...

It's called a shill campaign. get it?

[damonm]

31. Which has ZERO chance of happening in the real world.

[stahbrett]

43. No need for a shill campaign

Obama is not the official nominee until the nominating convention at the end of August (in Denver). So even if/when Hillary drops out (or likely "suspends her campaign"), he will still be able to raise and spend money under the guise of the primary election rules. The general election public financing would not kick in until after the convention regardless of what Hillary does or does not do, in other words.

[Bucky]

67. Money raised for the primaries cannot be spent in the general election

The new laws are wacky. But failing to spend his money now won't help him in November.

Besides, money spent now building an organization is EXTREMELY effective towards getting ready for the fall campaign.

[The Anti-Bush]

69. Exactly, which is why she should stay in so he can keep attacking McCain!

[Recursion]

99. He can campaign in the "primaries" up until the convention

It doesn't matter if he's the only real candidate left and he's talking about McCain; he'll still be campaigning for votes in the primaries.

[ericgtr]

6. Another way of looking at this is

why should she try to climb a mountain with a bolder strapped to her back. It's not easy nor cheap to continue a battle like this. This is not a put down but to be realistic I would imagine it really takes it's toll on her in many ways. If she does well then by all means I think she should stick it out and that's certainly her right no matter what we think, but if it's a poor showing it seems like it would be drawing out the inevitable.

[TexasObserver]

7. Disagree. If she weren't trying to rip the party coalition to shreds, I might feel differently.

But she's trying to pit blacks against Hispanics, Blacks against Jews, whites against blacks, and women against men. I'm sick of her nonstop divisiveness. She plays the wedge game, like the Bush Rovians do.

[The Anti-Bush]

14. You missed points in my OP, as many on here have.

[damonm]

32. Your "points" are fantasy

[TexasObserver]

41. No, I didn't miss them at all. I think they're wrong.

[bellasgrams]

50. Disagree, it's BO that keeps up the race crap. He is despicable.

[tridim]

89. Fine, provide a concrete example of Obama "keeping up the race crap"

This should be good.

[rodeodance]

104. HERE--- "How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary"

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton--Somali costume latest episode
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4803561#4803561
4803561, How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton--Somali costume latest episode
Posted by candice on Wed Feb-27-08 08:32 PM

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps.

...the Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

[milkyway]

111. You keep pushing this one article from a Clinton shill. Why on earth would Obama want to

do something that could disrupt the momentum of the campaign by circulating that picture? He's ahead--by a lot. He just wants to run out the clock. Why would a campaign that has been so smart suddenly turn so stupid?

[rodeodance]

113. Why did Obama believe a RW slimbucket like Drudge? --that was stupid.

[Dawgs]

8. If Hillary stays in without winning impressively she will start to get as much press as Huckabee.

[cali]

9. no, no and no. oh yeah, and NO

If she loses TX and OH and stays in real acrimony will grow and grow swiftly. Obama should NOT take public financing for the general. And he'll have no problem raising cash. I don't think you understand the finance piece anyway. If she drops out he can continue to raise money for the primary season and the general. Furthermore, it's absurd to think that Clinton would trade a powerful Senate seat for a spot in his admin.

Worst idea I've seen in while.

[Leopolds Ghost]

59. Why would any Dem urge us to abandon Campaign Finance Reform

Just because our candidate happens to be ahead this time?
What gross hypocrisy (Unless you opposed McCain-Feingold from the get-go).

Remember how appalled Dems were at the fast slush of money Bush raised
after he dropped out of the old system? Enough to power a small country,
all of it from wealthy donor bribes? Well 70% of Obama and Clintin's cash
is wealthy donors. And all of those $500 and up donations are bribes from
wealthy interests.

[cali]

93. It's broken. Learn something about it before you pontificate.

By your lights, Howard Dean isn't a dem. And please don't spout FALSE shit. 70% of Obama's cash is NOT from wealthy donors. Not even remotely close. You don't have the vaguest idea of what you're talkingh ab out. And no, all those donations of $500. and over are NOT bribes. That's so ridiculous.

[Recursion]

100. Even its author, McCain, is trying to bail out of it

It's not working anymore.

[The Anti-Bush]

101. I just want us to win this time. I don't want to take any chances. That's all this was about.

And somehow I've been attacked on all fronts. I had nothing be good intentions with this.

I really don't get how it turned into this.

[Recursion]

103. I understand your point and sympathize

(And I hope I haven't been too harsh in this thread; if I was I'm sorry.)

Also, I'm not one of the "drop out, Hillary!" crowd; I think she should stay in the race for as long as she thinks doing so is good for the country and the party.

[The Anti-Bush]

106. I just posted an apology thread... Was waiting for my count to reset

Cuz, when you are wrong about something, you are wrong.

What else you gonna do? PRETEND.... No, that's in the repug party...
LOL

[book_worm]

12. Nope, I disagree

If she loses both states it would be best for her to drop out and endorse the presumptive candidate and begin the process of unifying the party and turning our attention to McCain.

[backscatter712]

13. Hillary won't stop the poo-flinging.

So quite frankly, I hope Obama scores enough of a victory in Texas and Ohio to put this primary season to bed.

We have enough to worry about fighting the GOP's poo-flinging and working to get a Democrat in the White House without dealing with a continual intra-party pissing contest.

I'm tired of these primaries. I want them to be over. I want to move on. So let's hope Obama achieves a coup-de-grace and Clinton drops out.

[JimGinPA]

15. It Makes No Sense At All

She isn't going to stop going negative, She's just aiding the repugs at this point.

[backscatter712]

21. Aiding the repugs might be her intent.

If Obama loses the general, she can try again in 2012 instead of having to wait until 2016.

Yeah, I wouldn't put the nuclear option past her.

Which is why we need to push to end this primary fight as quickly as possible. Make sure she's strapped down, sitting on the sidelines all the way to November. And same goes for Mark Penn, Carville, Wolfson, etc. We don't need their "help".

[HeraldSquare212]

16. I don't think it helps at all for her stay in if she doesn't win TX and OH.

[The Anti-Bush]

19. Yes it does! He can keep fundraising & Take public finance in the fall.

As soon as she stops, he has to choose.

[HeraldSquare212]

23. But there will still be primaries if she drops out.

[cali]

44. One more time: He can fundraise just as much

if she drops out. He can fundraise up until the convention if he takes public funding, and if he decides not to take public funding he has the capability of raising funds for the general now and after the convention. Is that really so hard to grasp.

[NJSecularist]

20. Yes, please!! Hillary, please don't drop out of the race even if you lose Texas and Ohio!!

Please stay in the race and take down the party with you, Hillary!!!!

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[The Anti-Bush]

28. Wow, don't be so thick.

Read the OP. It is clear you didn't.

[Binka]

47. We Read It And We Rejected It Don't Be So Thick

With your hefty and impressive resume I mean you have been on DU for..... OH MY, four whole days? You made a comment earlier in the thread about a certain stink, I think it is closer than you realize. Have a blessed day. :hi:

[Binka]

114. Oh Lookie Lookie It Got The Granite Cookie!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=215668

[bellasgrams]

54. It's already gone to H---- I had dinner with friends last night

and none of them think BO is capable and say they will not vote for him. They don't know where he will take the country but nothing he has said makes them feel confidant. He makes a lot of noise to say nothing. When he does speak unless he follows Hillary's lead he doesn't say anything good. They can't understand people voting for an empty suit. And agree that if he was white, he wouldn't stand a chance.

[TheDonkey]

22. No, Hillary will only be a distraction. She isn't going to ride into the sunset silent

She'll be negative until the very end. Obama needs to rest up and get ready for the REAL fight. We MUST win this November.

[loveangelc]

24. Someone answer this question plz!

what exactly is this controversy around public financing for the general election? is it that obama can't raise money online once he gets in the general? what is public financing?

[The Anti-Bush]

27. YES! Public finance=no fund raising.

That is why McCain wants him to do it. Because Obama can raise 10 times what McCain can raise.

This is why this makes sense.

[loveangelc]

38. so what exactly is public financing?

[billyoc]

52. Public financing is the money that is collected from people that check off the checkbox on their tax

returns. It says something like:

"Do you want to donate $3 to presidential election campaigns"

[Leopolds Ghost]

60. It is Campaign Finance Reform. what Democrats fought for for 25 years to end the corruption

Of candidates like Clinton and Obama raising 500 MILLION dollars, 75% of it in $1000 increments.

Bribes from bundlers, taken online.

[endarkenment]

45. Obama would give up a HUGE advantage over McCain.

He would be strapped to the same public financing system as McCain, limited to the low limits that sets. Meanwhile the bullshit media system will continue to be a booming echo chamber for the rightwing smear du jour. The folks advocating that Obama agree to this crap were, I thought, simply trying to score points in the Clinton v Obama fight. Now it seems that instead they are actually idiots.

[Leopolds Ghost]

62. Strapped into the same public financing system that real progressives fought for

While "ANYTHING TO WIN" Democrats can't even be bothered to remember what it is the Dems were fighting for before Bush came along.

[The Anti-Bush]

25. Do you guys hate Hillary that much that you can't see the bigger picture?

1.Hillary stays in and plays nice
2.Obama gets to keep fundraising and use that money to attack McCain
3.Obama gets to take public finance in fall & keep McCain from calling him on it.

Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once hillary drops out Obama has to choose him funding method.

This give him bookoo bucks and keeps McCain from calling him a hypocrite.

Get it?

[backscatter712]

30. I see the picture just fine.

It's just that I don't believe Hillary will play nice.

[bellasgrams]

55. Why should she play nice. BO lies about her policies, her

healthcare plan, anything she says he has to twist it till you can't recognize it.

[racaulk]

33. Your first point is what kills the rest of your plan.

Hillary won't play nice. And what's the point of dragging out the primary if Hillary will continue to attack our (supposedly) eventual candidate? He will get plenty of attacks from McCain and the RW noise machine, we don't need Dems tearing down their own.

Edited to correct typo.

[damonm]

40. No. Your bigger picture is FANTASY because...

There is no way in HELL your #1 will happen.

Dick Cheney will endorse Obama before your #1 happens.

[endarkenment]

42. "Once hillary drops out Obama has to choose him funding method"

Why is that? He can continue outside the public system until he is officially nominated, then he has to either opt in or opt out.

[cali]

46. Fuck, YOU don't understand how it works. It's been explained to

you several times in this thread. Pathetic.

[Leopolds Ghost]

64. Yes. Pathetic that a DEM would abandon CFR for EXPEDIENCE

When running against the ONLY REPUBLICAN WHO ENDORSED CFR (Campaign Finance Reform),

a 25 year Progressive Objective that DEMS (DLC, Obamites and Hillarites) have eviscerated and left for dead.

[high density]

53. Hillary isn't going to play nice

Plus Obama can still do the fund raising until the convention even if the race is no longer contested.

[zulchzulu]

26. You will know if she's dropping out by what city she flies to on March 5

If it's NY, she's out. DC, she's in.

[Leopolds Ghost]

66. PUNXSUTAWNEY HILL?

What happens if she sees her shadow? :hi:

[damonm]

37. What I think

Is that there is not ONE reality-based bit in this. IF she stays in, she will NOT stop the attacks.
If she drops out, Obama can still raise money.

In no way does Hillary's staying in help Obama in the GE. She will continue to give the GOP ammunition to attack in the GE - not that it will matter.

[high density]

51. The "primary season" goes until the convention in late August anyway

The money is a non-issue, for Obama's campaign at least. Hillary doesn't need to stick around just for this.

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. This is Genius. Will Dems come together long enough to listen?

[JVS]

57. "Assuming that she stops the negative ads"

We have very good reasons NOT to assume that.

[The Anti-Bush]

61. Well, it is my premise.... So suspend disbelief

[JVS]

63. Too far-fetched. No can do.

[The Anti-Bush]

71. Far fetched or not, it would work.

[rodeodance]

65. I do take it as an attack--and condensending!--you want her to be used as

as door mat for Obama. What is your problem?



Do not take this as an attack on Hillary, because it isn't. It's a way for her to really support the party. And in return, Hillary pretty much gets to pick her position in his cabinet.

......

Hillary! PLEASE do NOT drop out... Even if you lose Ohio & Texas!

Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 03:17 PM by The Anti-Bush
Okay, assuming that Hillary doesn't beat Obama by the huge numbers she needs to in order to get back into this, here is why she CANNOT drop out.

The longer she stays in, the better off we are in the GE. Assuming that she stops the negative ads, her presence only helps Obama. Again, ASSUME she stops negative ads.

With her in, he can continue to raise money and use it to attack McCain instead of defending himself from Hillary. Get it? This way, if she stays in, basically for the good of the party, he can keep banking cash and come the convention take public finance.

Then he has $85 million to split up for two months. I mean, this is a win win situation. He will have tons of cash on hand for the GE, he gets to slam McCain for the rest of the year, and keeps the RNC & McCain from calling him a hypocrite by accepting public financing.

Of course, this all hinges on Hillary's willingness to suck it up and check her ego. And if she doesn't win Texans AND Ohio, we all know that it is basically impossible for her to win anyway.

Do not take this as an attack on Hillary, because it isn't. It's a way for her to really support the party. And in return, Hillary pretty much gets to pick her position in his cabinet.

What do you all think? I think this makes perfect sense. We get to have our cake and eat it too.

[The Anti-Bush]

68. Where did I attack her? Nowhere. Grow up.

[rodeodance]

76. Stop the Rudeness please.

[The Anti-Bush]

81. Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

[rodeodance]

85. telling me to grow up was rude and out of line.

[The Anti-Bush]

96. And so was your initial response.

I never said anything about using Hillary as a doormat! Quite the contrary. If you don't want a sharp response, then maybe you should not try to twist my words.

[rodeodance]

102. you want her to say in to raise money for Obama right?

[The Anti-Bush]

107. Do me a favor... just go read my new thread. It will explain everything.

This wasn't meant to be like this. I thought I was doing something good. And I apologize if it came out the wrong way.

[rodeodance]

108. ok, and thanks. shit happens somethings.

[Leopolds Ghost]

70. Um, because she has no path to the nomination.

Running a positive, valedictory campaign to keep the dialogue going for the remainder of theseason
(like we urged Edwards to do instead of dropping out) is NOT being a "door mat".

It is respecting democracy for all the folks Edwards left hanging in states that have not voted,
and being civil and statesmanlike.

[The Anti-Bush]

74. Obama wouldn't be attacking her. He'd be attacking McCain.

[rodeodance]

77. Well then BO can be the doormat for the 'good of the party"!! See how silly that sounds!

[The Anti-Bush]

79. Obama is winning. Obama is going to win. It's all but settled.

If you want to go negative and sarcastic, go right ahead. I'm not going to stoop to your level.

How does him attacking McCain make Hillary a doormat?

[rodeodance]

83. hey sweetie---your OP is rude and condescending. you allready stooped.

She will go out gracefully when and if the time comes.
And if that happens, BO can fundraise any way he wants.

[The Anti-Bush]

94. My op is neither rude or condescending

I made it perfectly clear I was not attacking anyone. The facts are that if Hillary does not win by HUGE margins the rest of the way, she is going to lose.

Even the mods and admins have said as much.

All I said was that this stragegy would work. However, I have since come to the realization that I misunderstood how the system works. And I apologize for that.

But my post was not intended to offend anyone. If you want to see it that way, then I have to assume you are just looking at it through biased eyes.

[rodeodance]

105. fine. ---i found it condensending. but enough said.

[The Anti-Bush]

82. AND, if Obama had lost 11 straight primaries and was down in all the polls

I would be saying the same thing; that he should stay in for the good of the party.

[democrat_nanny]

73. Huh?

Why would she have to stay in for him to continue to raise money? As far as I know, candidates can raise the maximum for the primary as well as the maximum for the general even if they don't have a serious primary challenger...maybe if they don't have any challenger. Her staying in with the understanding that she won't campaign against him won't help him raise any more money.

[The Anti-Bush]

78. It won't help him raise any more money, but it does keep him from

having to decide on whether or not to take public financing. Which is what McCain is trying to get him to do.

Once he decided on Public financing, the fund raising is over.

If Hillary stays in, he can just keep raising money and use it to attack McCain. Otherwise, he has to address the public financing NOW. If he takes in NOW, as I understand it, he has to STOP fundraising and make that $85 million last until november. Get it?

[Big Blue Marble]

87. You are spreading false information..

The primary season continues until the Convention in August. He can raise primary funds and spend them until then.
Even if he decides to take it, he will not be restricted by public financing until after August.

Why do you keep repeating these errors? If you have different information than I do, please link it.

[The Anti-Bush]

95. I stand corrected.

I was mistaken about whether or not he could continue to raise money. And I apologize for that.

Make no mistake, I was not trying to spread lies.

[Big Blue Marble]

110. Thanks for acknowledging your mistake.

We all make them. :)

And welcome to DU!

[rodeodance]

84. OP has a plan to use Hillary as a door mat for his fundraising !!

[The Anti-Bush]

98. That's not true. And it is very rude of you to twist my words like that.

[matcom]

86. HOLY CRAP!!!11

you know even LESS about politics than MOST in this forum!

and I NEVER would have thought THAT possible!

:wow:

[bvar22]

90. Completely BOGUS.

The BEST thing Hillary could do for the Democratic Party (especially after the 4th) is to bow out gracefully, and then throw ALL her support behind the Nominee..... her orgainzations (minus Penn, Carville, et al)her fundraising power, campaigning, and especilaay her IN with the Media to spend her celebrity face time campaigning strongly for the Democratic Party, the Downticket Democrats, and Obama.

[RememberWellstone]

91. Agreed

I have paid good money to see this whole ordeal through.

[kentuck]

109. Nobody knows what might happen..

I hope she goes all the way to the Convention. At least, it might make the Repubs think twice before they attempt a character assassination on Obama - if he is the nominee?

[RBInMaine]

112. If Hillary loses either TX or Ohio, she is all done.

Her campaign has clearly accepted that if she can't win BOTH TX and OH, then it's over. If she loses either, Obama will be entirely unstoppable, and her continuing would only look ultra-desperate and outside of reality, and she'd hurt her own legacy. She knows this full well and will concede gracefully on March 5th UNLESS she wins BOTH OH and TX (which probably won't happen. All things remaining the same, Obama is on track to defeat Hillary in TEXAS, and will come very close and may even pass her in Ohio.)