Hmmmm if not McCain...then how about

[Perky]

Arlen Specter. Here is the thought. He is a moderate republican from a pivotal state. He is in a dogfight with an arch right winger for the primary nod. He might lose. Meaning he is out of a job.

McCain has said no in enough ways that even if he changed his mind it would get ugly.

Specter is well-respected as a moderate. If Kerry want to reach out to disaffected republicans. Specter might be a better choice than say a Bill Cohen.. Who everyone would certainly yawn at.

[Avalux]

1. NO

are you outta your mind???:crazy:

[ludwigb]

2. I feel a little guilty even responding to this.

Absolutely no way. McCain I could take, but not Specter.

[Tom Rinaldo]

40. I feel the same, exactly.

I have strong misgivings about McCain, but I respect him for taking on his Party's establishment repeatedly on matters of principle. If somehow McCain found his way onto our ticket (I can't imagine how), I would see it as a Government of National Unity in a time of very real Crisis, and in that way I could bring myself to vote for it. Specter may in some ways be "moderate", but he's no maverick. He wouldn't bring enough character, stature, and personal integrity to our ticket to warrant even considering the huge negative trade off involved in that type of shift to the right.

[Perky]

3. I am not suggesting this be done.

Not by any stretch, It would take PA out of play is all that I am suggesting.

I personallythink it down to Edwards and Richardson. but what do I know.

[cosmicdot]

4. the architect of the one bullet, one assassin killer of JFK?

the once Justice Dept lawyer?

I don't think so.

[jobycom]

12. Even though he got the bullet right

(And yes, i know no one seems to believe the computer mockups in the last few years proving that it had to happen that way), he would bring nothing to the ticket. He's unpopular with the Dems, he's unpopular with the leftist Dems, and he's unpopular with his own party for, amongst other things, voting not to remove Clinton from office.

Nothing would be gained with Specter. Nothing would be gained with any Republican in Congress. McCain has a little upside, but much larger downside. Specter has no upside.

Unless we found a pro-choice Republican who opposed Bush on a few issues, there is no reason to go that route. We will win this one by being unlike the Republicans, not like them.

Although Christie Todd Whitmann... NO!!

[Hippo_Tron]

27. Specter's upside = Pennsylvania and a senate seat there n/t

[Goldmund]

5. I think that Kerry

represents enough of a compromise. We can beat this bastard without compromising further.

[Lisa0825]

6. NO Republicans.

[WI_DEM]

7. Here is a novel thought--why not a democrat as his running mate?

Why not?

[Hippo_Tron]

28. LOL I was just thinking the same thing n/t

[benddem]

8. You must have been asleep or

not born when the confirmation hearings of Thomas for the supremes were being held. Spector was vile in his condemnation of Anita Hill.
NO WAY should this man be considered, thought of, dreamed of for Veep.:puke:

[Perky]

9. HAHA

And yet there are people onthis site who think a Pro-lifer like McCain would be just fine. I don't thionk any republican makes sense either. I was just trying to make a point

[Avalux]

15. Silly way to make a point

Next time, try being upfront about it instead of baiting people. :hi:

[Hippo_Tron]

49. McCain is pro-life in personally but I think he's against...

Government legislating on the subject. The partial-birth ban might be an exception but I haven't checked out his voting record.

[bowens43]

10. Where are all of these ridiculous 'republican for Vp' posts coming from?

Here's a clue, we are Democrats. Our party is made up of Democrats. If we wanted a Republican as VP we would vote for Bush. In fact, if by some perverse twist of fate a Repug was given the VP slot , I for one, would vote for Bush. Our party is already way too far to the right. I would NEVER support any Democratic candidate that approved of putting a Repug in a position of power or who approved of the further dilution our values and our principles.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

[apnu]

14. disaffected moderate republicans who....

... are leaving the party and trying to change the Democrats into a moderate party. Which is funny, because I thought that official Democrats are moderates, and that the neocons moved the center post closer to them so that Democrats seem like wacky tree-hugging libruls. (And what's wrong with tree hugging anyway? ;-) )

[fob]

11. WTF???

WE DON'T NEED ANY EFFIN' REPUKES ON OUR TICKET!!
Here is the STARTER list of REPUKES we DON'T need as VP choices (with apologies to the Independents in Vermont who would go to the top of the list of VP choices AFTER EVERY Democrat is looked at)

Alabama


Jeff Sessions (Republican, Senate)
Jo Bonner (Republican, District 1)
Mike Rogers (Republican, District 3)
Richard C. Shelby (Republican, Senate)
Robert B. Aderholt (Republican, District 4)
Spencer Bachus (Republican, District 6)
Terry Everett (Republican, District 2)


Alaska

Don Young (Republican, District 1)
Lisa Murkowski (Republican, Senate)
Ted Stevens (Republican, Senate)


Arizona


J. D. Hayworth (Republican, District 5)
Jeff Flake (Republican, District 6)
Jim Kolbe (Republican, District 8)
John McCain (Republican, Senate)
John Shadegg (Republican, District 3)
Jon L. Kyl (Republican, Senate)
Rick Renzi (Republican, District 1)
Trent Franks (Republican, District 2)


Arkansas

John Boozman (Republican, District 3)



California

Bill Thomas (Republican, District 22)
Christopher Cox (Republican, District 48)
Dana Rohrabacher (Republican, District 46)
Darrell Issa (Republican, District 49)
David Dreier (Republican, District 26)
Devin Nunes (Republican, District 21)
Doug Ose (Republican, District 3)
Duncan Hunter (Republican, District 52)
Ed Royce (Republican, District 40)
Elton Gallegly (Republican, District 24)
Gary Miller (Republican, District 42)
George Radanovich (Republican, District 19)
Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (Republican, District 25)
Jerry Lewis (Republican, District 41)
John T. Doolittle (Republican, District 4)
Ken Calvert (Republican, District 44)
Mary Bono (Republican, District 45)
Randy "Duke" Cunningham (Republican, District 50)
Richard Pombo (Republican, District 11)
Wally Herger (Republican, District 2)


Colorado

Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican, Senate)
Bob Beauprez (Republican, District 7)
Joel Hefley (Republican, District 5)
Marilyn Musgrave (Republican, District 4)
Scott McInnis (Republican, District 3)
Tom Tancredo (Republican, District 6)
Wayne Allard (Republican, Senate)


Connecticut

Christopher Shays (Republican, District 4)
Joe Lieberman (Democrat, Senate)
Nancy L. Johnson (Republican, District 5)
Rob Simmons (Republican, District 2)


Delaware

Michael N. Castle (Republican, District 1)


Florida

Adam H. Putnam (Republican, District 12)
Ander Crenshaw (Republican, District 4)
C. W. Bill Young (Republican, District 10)
Cliff Stearns (Republican, District 6)
Dave Weldon (Republican, District 15)
E. Clay Shaw Jr. (Republican, District 22)
Ginny Brown-Waite (Republican, District 5)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Republican, District 18)
Jeff Miller (Republican, District 1)
John L. Mica (Republican, District 7)
Katherine Harris (Republican, District 13)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (Republican, District 21)
Mario Diaz-Balart (Republican, District 25)
Mark Foley (Republican, District 16)
Michael Bilirakis (Republican, District 9)
Porter Goss (Republican, District 14)
Ric Keller (Republican, District 8)
Tom Feeney (Republican, District 24)


Georgia

Charles W. Norwood (Republican, District 9)
Jack Kingston (Republican, District 1)
John Linder (Republican, District 7)
Johnny Isakson (Republican, District 6)
Mac Collins (Republican, District 8)
Max Burns (Republican, District 12)
Nathan Deal (Republican, District 10)
Phil Gingrey (Republican, District 11)
Saxby Chambliss (Republican, Senate)
Zell Miller (Democrat, Senate)


Idaho

C. L. "Butch" Otter (Republican, District 1)
Larry Craig (Republican, Senate)
Mike Crapo (Republican, Senate)
Mike Simpson (Republican, District 2)


Illinois

Dennis Hastert (Republican, District 14)
Don Manzullo (Republican, District 16)
Henry J. Hyde (Republican, District 6)
Jerry Weller (Republican, District 11)
John M. Shimkus (Republican, District 19)
Judy Biggert (Republican, District 13)
Mark Kirk (Republican, District 10)
Peter G. Fitzgerald (Republican, Senate)
Phil Crane (Republican, District 8)
Ray LaHood (Republican, District 18)
Timothy V. Johnson (Republican, District 15)


Indiana

Chris Chocola (Republican, District 2)
Dan Burton (Republican, District 5)
John Hostettler (Republican, District 8)
Mark E. Souder (Republican, District 3)
Mike Pence (Republican, District 6)
Richard G. Lugar (Republican, Senate)
Steve Buyer (Republican, District 4)


Iowa

Chuck Grassley (Republican, Senate)
Jim Leach (Republican, District 2)
Jim Nussle (Republican, District 1)
Steven A. King (Republican, District 5)
Tom Latham (Republican, District 4)


Kansas

Jerry Moran (Republican, District 1)
Jim Ryun (Republican, District 2)
Pat Roberts (Republican, Senate)
Sam Brownback (Republican, Senate)
Todd Tiahrt (Republican, District 4)


Kentucky

Anne M. Northup (Republican, District 3)
Ed Whitfield (Republican, District 1)
Ernie Fletcher (Republican, District 6)
Hal Rogers (Republican, District 5)
Jim Bunning (Republican, Senate)
Mitch McConnell (Republican, Senate)
Ron Lewis (Republican, District 2)


Louisiana

Billy Tauzin (Republican, District 3)
David Vitter (Republican, District 1)
Jim McCrery (Republican, District 4)
Richard Baker (Republican, District 6)

Maine

Olympia J. Snowe (Republican, Senate)
Susan Collins (Republican, Senate)

Maryland

Roscoe G. Bartlett (Republican, District 6)
Wayne T. Gilchrest (Republican, District 1)



Michigan

Candice S. Miller (Republican, District 10)
Dave Camp (Republican, District 4)
Fred Upton (Republican, District 6)
Joe Knollenberg (Republican, District 9)
Mike Rogers (Republican, District 8)
Nick Smith (Republican, District 7)
Peter Hoekstra (Republican, District 2)
Thad McCotter (Republican, District 11)
Vernon J. Ehlers (Republican, District 3)


Minnesota

Gil Gutknecht (Republican, District 1)
Jim Ramstad (Republican, District 3)
John Kline (Republican, District 2)
Mark Kennedy (Republican, District 6)
Norm Coleman (Republican, Senate)


Mississippi

Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr. (Republican, District 3)
Roger Wicker (Republican, District 1)
Thad Cochran (Republican, Senate)
Trent Lott (Republican, Senate)


Missouri

Christopher S. 'Kit' Bond (Republican, Senate)
James M. Talent (Republican, Senate)
Jo Ann Emerson (Republican, District 8)
Kenny Hulshof (Republican, District 9)
Roy Blunt (Republican, District 7)
Sam Graves (Republican, District 6)
Todd Akin (Republican, District 2)


Montana

Conrad Burns (Republican, Senate)
Denny Rehberg (Republican, District 1)


Nebraska

Chuck Hagel (Republican, Senate)
Doug Bereuter (Republican, District 1)
Lee Terry (Republican, District 2)
Tom Osborne (Republican, District 3)


Nevada

Jim Gibbons (Republican, District 2)
John Ensign (Republican, Senate)
Jon Porter (Republican, District 3)


New Hampshire

Charles Bass (Republican, District 2)
Jeb Bradley (Republican, District 1)
John E. Sununu (Republican, Senate)
Judd Gregg (Republican, Senate)


New Jersey

Chris Smith (Republican, District 4)
Frank A. LoBiondo (Republican, District 2)
Jim Saxton (Republican, District 3)
Mike Ferguson (Republican, District 7)
Rodney Frelinghuysen (Republican, District 11)
Scott Garrett (Republican, District 5)


New Mexico

Heather Wilson (Republican, District 1)
Pete V. Domenici (Republican, Senate)
Steve Pearce (Republican, District 2)


New York

Amo Houghton (Republican, District 29)
Jack Quinn (Republican, District 27)
James T. Walsh (Republican, District 25)
John E. Sweeney (Republican, District 20)
John M. McHugh (Republican, District 23)
Pete King (Republican, District 3)
Sherwood Boehlert (Republican, District 24)
Sue Kelly (Republican, District 19)
Tom Reynolds (Republican, District 26)
Vito Fossella (Republican, District 13)


North Carolina

Cass Ballenger (Republican, District 10)
Charles H. Taylor (Republican, District 11)
Elizabeth Dole (Republican, Senate)
Howard Coble (Republican, District 6)
Richard Burr (Republican, District 5)
Robin Hayes (Republican, District 8)
Sue Myrick (Republican, District 9)
Walter B. Jones Jr. (Republican, District 3)



Ohio

Bob Ney (Republican, District 18)
Dave Hobson (Republican, District 7)
Deborah Pryce (Republican, District 15)
George V. Voinovich (Republican, Senate)
John Boehner (Republican, District 8)
Michael G. Oxley (Republican, District 4)
Michael R. Turner (Republican, District 3)
Mike DeWine (Republican, Senate)
Patrick J. Tiberi (Republican, District 12)
Paul E. Gillmor (Republican, District 5)
Ralph Regula (Republican, District 16)
Rob Portman (Republican, District 2)
Steve Chabot (Republican, District 1)
Steven C. LaTourette (Republican, District 14)


Oklahoma

Don Nickles (Republican, Senate)
Ernest J. Istook (Republican, District 5)
Frank D. Lucas (Republican, District 3)
James M. Inhofe (Republican, Senate)
John Sullivan (Republican, District 1)
Tom Cole (Republican, District 4)


Oregon

Gordon H. Smith (Republican, Senate)
Greg Walden (Republican, District 2)


Pennsylvania

Arlen Specter (Republican, Senate)
Bill Shuster (Republican, District 9)
Curt Weldon (Republican, District 7)
Don Sherwood (Republican, District 10)
James C. Greenwood (Republican, District 8)
Jim Gerlach (Republican, District 6)
Joe Pitts (Republican, District 16)
John E. Peterson (Republican, District 5)
Melissa Hart (Republican, District 4)
Pat Toomey (Republican, District 15)
Phil English (Republican, District 3)
Rick Santorum (Republican, Senate)
Tim Murphy (Republican, District 18)
Todd Platts (Republican, District 19)




Rhode Island

Lincoln D. Chafee (Republican, Senate)


South Carolina

Gresham Barrett (Republican, District 3)
Henry Brown (Republican, District 1)
James W. Demint (Republican, District 4)
Joe Wilson (Republican, District 2)
Lindsey Graham (Republican, Senate)




Tennessee

Bill Frist (Republican, Senate)
Bill Jenkins (Republican, District 1)
John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. (Republican, District 2)
Lamar Alexander (Republican, Senate)
Marsha Blackburn (Republican, District 7)
Zach Wamp (Republican, District 3)


Texas

Henry Bonilla (Republican, District 23)
Jeb Hensarling (Republican, District 5)
Joe Barton (Republican, District 6)
John Carter (Republican, District 31)
John Cornyn (Republican, Senate)
John Culberson (Republican, District 7)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (Republican, Senate)
Kay Granger (Republican, District 12)
Kevin Brady (Republican, District 8)
Lamar Smith (Republican, District 21)
Mac Thornberry (Republican, District 13)
Michael Burgess (Republican, District 26)
Pete Sessions (Republican, District 32)
Ralph M. Hall (Republican, District 4)
Randy Neugebauer (Republican, District 19)
Ron Paul (Republican, District 14)
Sam Johnson (Republican, District 3)
Tom DeLay (Republican, District 22)


Utah

Chris Cannon (Republican, District 3)
Orrin G. Hatch (Republican, Senate)
Rob Bishop (Republican, District 1)
Robert F. Bennett (Republican, Senate)


Vermont

Bernie Sanders (Independent, District 1)
James M. Jeffords (Independent, Senate)




Virginia

Bob Goodlatte (Republican, District 6)
Ed Schrock (Republican, District 2)
Eric Cantor (Republican, District 7)
Frank R. Wolf (Republican, District 10)
George Allen (Republican, Senate)
J. Randy Forbes (Republican, District 4)
Jo Ann Davis (Republican, District 1)
John W. Warner (Republican, Senate)
Tom Davis (Republican, District 11)
Virgil H. Goode Jr. (Republican, District 5)


Washington

Doc Hastings (Republican, District 4)
George R. Nethercutt Jr. (Republican, District 5)
Jennifer Dunn (Republican, District 8)


West Virginia

Shelley Moore Capito (Republican, District 2)


Wisconsin

F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (Republican, District 5)
Mark Green (Republican, District 8)
Paul Ryan (Republican, District 1)
Tom Petri (Republican, District 6)


Wyoming

Barbara Cubin (Republican, District 1)
Craig Thomas (Republican, Senate)
Mike Enzi (Republican, Senate)

[mzmolly]

13. *

:eyes:

Flaimus Baitus perhaps?

[Avalux]

16. ding ding ding!

Nice call mzmolly!

[Thrill]

17. NOOOOOOOOOo

Enough of this crap about putting a Repuke on the ticket. if we wanted a moderate we would put Breaux or Nelson on the ticket.

[rasputin1952]

18. I cannot comprehend why any GOP candidates would be ...

considered for VP. The thought is ludicrous, and will not happen.

I have seen many threads on this, and all of them go nowhere. My appologies to those who insist on pushing this stuff on these boards, but I really think it is kind of frivolous and a great waste of energy and time.

While we should be bringing all of our energies together to get bush out of OUR WH, trite little things like this keep popping up...:(

[Capn Sunshine]

19. Seriously mentioning republicans as potential VP candidates

is just symptomatic of where Kerry's strong support is among the membership of DU. Is it any wonder some of us who are progressive democrats feel uncomfortable here?

[Avalux]

20. This guy wasn't serious

He's trying to cause friction amongst us, that's all. Don't buy into it. :hi:

[mzmolly]

21. I kinda wonder if it's the "stir up the liberals game" ...

played by people on other sites?

I smell something rotten here meself ;)

[w4rma]

22. How about Sen. John Edwards? Even many Republicans like him

and he doesn't turn off Dems.

[no name no slogan]

23. Here's one turned-off Dem

Sen. Edwards does nothing for me. He wouldn't be any more beneficial than any other Democrat-- other than he's tan and is pretty.

[w4rma]

24. Note, Edwards' position on trade has been consistantly good. (nt)

[dogman]

26. What did he trade

for all those votes supporting B$$$?

[Hippo_Tron]

29. So, who would you suggest? n/t

[dogman]

25. He turns me off

but if you are looking for a Rethug he's as close as Liebermann. Of course we saw how much he helped Gore and what an ASSet he has been to the Party.

[w4rma]

30. Bull. (nt)

[dogman]

31. Look at his voting record

and go back and look at his responses in the debates. He agrees with Cheney that there is a connection between Saddam and 9-11. Now that's Bull.

[atre]

36. This guy just called Edwards an "ass?"

Really mature. We can see how informed your political proclivity is.

[dogman]

42. Nowhere did I call Edwards an ass.

Learn to read.

[maxanne]

32. how about

we just merge with the Republicans, Perky? If we can't win without a Republican on the ticket, we might as well just join 'em. :eyes:


Didn't this place used to be DEMOCRATIC Underground?

[Zorra]

33. This is nothing but troll food. n/t

[fujiyama]

38. mmmmm

I eat trolls! for dinner!

[AGD4y2357y]

34. dupe

dupe

[AGD4y2357y]

35. Christ

if people think we need a republican on the ticket to win then we are in bigger trouble than I realized.

If kerry were to choose a repub then that's it - I'll vote green or Nader. I've never voted repub before, and I'm not about to now.

Just the fact that McCain was being considered enough that he himself had to say he wouldn't take the position is pathetic.

Believe it or not people - there are MORE liberals in this nation than conservative fascists! You want to tap the huge number of voters that don't vote? Get a REAL progressive on the ticket. Running a repub is NOT the way to beat the repubs.

[fujiyama]

37. I'm half drunk and I say

HELL NO! This must be a drunk thread or some kinda thread made to get a rise outta people!

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. Not just 'no', but 'HELL NO!'

:wtf: is this idiotic obsession with putting a smarmy R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N on the DEMOCRATIC ticket? :puke::grr::nuke:

[Adelante]

41. Give it up

Go back to your own party and play.

[Spirochete]

43. Gee, why not Ashcroft?

Why are people always suggesting Kerry should have a Repug as a running mate, as if none of the Democrats are qualified? Probably about as likely as * dumping Cheney from the ticket and putting Hilary on it.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. NO!

"Reach out to disaffected Republicans" my ass.

How about reaching out to disaffected Democrats and disaffected non-voters?

These suggestions for Republican running mates reflect defeatism and a lack of core principles.

[Hav]

45. .

Jeez people, relax, that is ridiculous!
The poster already made clear that it wasn't a dead serious suggestion and that he doesn't believe that a Repub makes sense as a Dem VP.
Two fucking days ago he wrote on this same thread:

"And yet there are people onthis site who think a Pro-lifer like McCain would be just fine. I don't thionk any republican makes sense either. I was just trying to make a point"

[bitchkitty]

46. Maybe it's just me,

but I think that someone running on the Democratic ticket should choose a Democrat. C=MI, Conservatism=Mental Illness - choosing a Repub VP would be enabling.

[ramble2155]

47. Stealing a republican

Dont hate the other side because they are republicans. Stealing a high level respected republican from the GOP. Does nothing but help the Democratic party and its chances to recruit more independents and even republicans.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

48. Fuck the Republicans....

I am a member of the Democratic Party. I don't need no sticking GOP infesting my party so that it looks more like the GOP than the party of RFK and FDR. GET IT?

I have spent 3+ years under the yoke of a Republican, and a crazy-ass one at that.

I am DONE.

If the Republicans don't like the way their party is acting these days (and who could blame them) then I advise that they take back their damn party from the idiots and return it to the party of Lincoln and Teddy R.

That's a party I could respect.

[Kanary]

50. Why not just

vote for all the republicans in the country, and be done with it?

It would be nice if you would actually state your real purpose.

Kanary

[notbush]

51. OK call me crazy

but I kinda think the democratic party should nominate a registered democrat for VP.

[Kanary]

53. YOU EXTREMIST RADICAL!!!

Hi, notbush!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

:toast:

Amazing when the obvious is startling, eh?

Kanary

[mobuto]

52. McCain yes, Specter no

I don't want Arlen Specter anywhere near a Democratic ticket. The same goes for George Voinovich and Chuck Hagel and just about any other "moderate" Republican not surnamed Chafee.

[robbedvoter]

54. Specter? Why not Gingrich? Fellow Clinton hater, smarter - Asimov fan

And since we are scraping the bottom of the barrel, how about Grover Norquist? Dick Armey? Ken Starr? I belueve they are all available - more so than McCain, Specter who have jobs.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. Hell, why not Tom DeLay for VP?

We'll have a better chance of picking up the house in '04...

[ngGale]

55. No Republican on the ticket, but I just have to say...

Arlen Specter is the best news story. Specter is being called Liberal by his own party. Showing the far right will stab their own in the back. Specter needs to vote for Kerry. Haven't seen anything like this since Bob Barr on C-Span speaking out against 'The Patriot Act.' You have to be way far right for Bush.

[Hippo_Tron]

57. Bob Barr spoke out against the patriot act?

And Dick Armey spoke out against the Iraq war. Either hardcore Republicans have a change of heart every now and then or they are very senile.