What if my soul says to vote for Kerry?

[MoonRiver]

I mean, voting for Kerry will prevent a total take-over of this country by a far rightwing fascist regime. Voting for Nader will help ensure *'s re-Selection. In addition, Nader is in bed with the corporate whores BIG TIME. Why, oh why, would I want to vote for such a person???? :shrug:

On the other hand, Kerry has the most liberal voting record of any person in the Senate today, and will protect those rights we want and are entitled to, such as reproductive choice, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Yep, my soul speaks loud and clear to the fact that Kerry is the only 2004 candidate who can protect my beloved homeland, including my Constitutional rights, from destruction.

[Angry Black Man]

1. Because I believe, from the bottom of my heart, that war is bad

And John Kerry supports this war. As we get closer to the election, watch him continue to slide further and further towards the Right.
We've been had, folks. Time to take corrective action.

peace

[JHBowden]

2. Leaving Bush in office is a corrective?

:wtf:

[Angry Black Man]

4. stronger position

I honestly believe the Left is in a stronger position as the out-of-power party then we would be with "one of our own" who supports war. We would be forced to justify his actions instead of keeping the eye of truth on him like a laser, as we can now.

Bush will not last 4 more years because i guarantee he will do something (he has already) so stupid the mainstream media will be forced to focus on it, and he will therefore be impeached. We will lose this opportunity if Kerry is in office.

[MoonRiver]

5. Oh, I get it!

We'll WIN BY LOSING! MODS: are you reading this?

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[progressiveBadger]

6. Um...

I would rather have Bush lose the election than hope that he is impeached!

[JHBowden]

9. The Greens said the same thing about Gore.

Did taking votes away from Gore in Florida leave us in a stronger position with four years of Bush?

What is wrong with you people?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! :crazy:

[tiedye]

16. they didn't count the votes anyway

stop blaming Nader for daring to open up the debate. Such chickenshits. It was the republicans with Scalia and Jeb Bush and Kathryn Harris that stole the election.

nader is expressing free speech by running for office, nothing more and nothing less.

Supporting shutting him up is like saying everyone shut up, the wealthy have picked our two candidates, pick one and shut your mouth. Meanwhile, in effect the Democratic party floats into the neocon philosophy.

[MoonRiver]

18. Yeah. Do you know something about "neocon philosophy"

It would seem so.

[tiedye]

39. yeah I do

Nelson Mandela pontificates clearly that during his stay in prison it was very helpful to learn about the philosophy of you enemy- that's how you can fight him. See otherwise, you say No war and they ignore you and say No gay marriage. You have to be prepared with organized thoughts and arguments against their agenda, which is not the liberal agenda, theoretically.

I read the Neocon Bible which is the Project for the New American Century. The plan for America to dominate the world, because its the Christian thing to do. You better be careful and learn about it too, or you just might start adhering to it without knowing it.

[MoonRiver]

61. You're NOT organized. You're supporting * who's shitting on all those

so called values of yours. And if you dont' think you're supporting *, just think a wee bit about how attacking Kerry is going to help * be re-Selected.

[Angry Black Man]

19. exactly!!

It's unbelievable to me that so many of you who go 'round and 'round about 'opening up the process', and 'two-party cabal sucks' and 'we need more voices' are the shrillest when someone comes along with an alternative message.

Welcome to the mainstream. Where's your suit?

[MoonRiver]

22. Let me ask you one thing "ABM"

Who did you vote for in 2000?

[Angry Black Man]

25. W.E.B. DuBois

Nader was a close second.

[tiedye]

34. David Walker's Appeal

to the colored people most expressly of the United States.

Back in the 1800 when The President of the US said Blacks were of another species, the white majority still suffers in various ways, from this misinformation. Today the president still disenfranchises democrats and treats Arabs as the new Blacks.

People still can not see a Black man or a woman as the President. my advice is to stop looking to the President as our leader, look to the people. That is why the platform is so very important, like the war. I mean are we going to pick the President because he looks the part?

[MoonRiver]

37. Woo Hoo!! You know the catch names to throw around!

Congrats!

[tiedye]

42. you mean like Kerry

What's your book list? And have you read them? Bush hates intellectuals.

[MoonRiver]

63. And that's supposed to mean???????

[Angry Black Man]

44. this debate captures much that has gone wrong with the some on the Left

All I've seen from you is invective, name-calling, and suspicion. Democrats need not be afraid of actively engaging the debate with logic and clarity. When you resort to name-calling and suspecting the motives of your debatee, all it does is make you look callous and weak, and shows you have no trust in your position.

[mitchum]

66. That's odd, since DuBois was an accomodator

You really need to check out the names you're going to drop, "Angry Black Man"

[tiedye]

29. Like its your business, really

This is a forum for free speech, not for you to take a tally on our voting habits.

[JHBowden]

33. Does the last name start with 'B' ?

:shrug:

[tiedye]

36. Stop taking survey's

that will get you no where and start defending your position. Or at least state it.

War in Iraq Sucks, and it is wrong and we should be focused on a candidate that says that.

[JHBowden]

38. At least pretend you supported Nader.

Though you may be * fan, you must do a better job trolling than this. ;-)

I've defended Kerry's positions. Kerry's record on capital punishment, gun control, waste/fraud/abuse in the pentagon, choice, civil unions, medicare, progressive taxation, etc. is a matter of fact.

Bush does not share these positions.

[mitchum]

67. Why don't you pony up some bandwidth money for...

that candidate's site then?
THIS IS GETTING REALLY OLD

[MoonRiver]

64. Free speech works both ways

:D You get your free speech, and I get mine!

[tiedye]

24. makes sense

that as the information space we are in is expanding we will need to get away from this neat and tidy package of one republican and one democrat that votes like a republican. Open the Dome.

[JHBowden]

26. I didn't know Bush opposes capital punishment,

is pro-choice, supports civil unions, is opposed to ANWR drilling, is opposed to star wars, and opposes unilateral wars.

Bush isn't a liberal like Kerry and you know it.

[MoonRiver]

30. There is no "Dome", and there will never be one due to the Repukes.

So, under the current conditions in this real world, who do YOU prefer amongst the viable candidates: b*sh or Kerry?

[JHBowden]

20. Nader's run was sufficient for a Bush victory

Everyone acknowledges there were other causes like the SC, intimidation of black voters, conservative Democrats voting for Bush, et cetera.

However, without Nader in the race taking 90000 votes in Florida, Gore would be in office today. But giving Bush four years isn't good enough for you people; you want to encourage him with another term.

Kerry is more liberal than Wellstone and you're attacking him. Shame on you. Why do you want Bush to have another term?

[tiedye]

40. That's a good point

smart black man.

[MoonRiver]

3. So you're going to enable * to wage war against untold numbers of nations

Nader is a Puke. Are you?

[tiedye]

17. kerry voted for the war in Iraq and the

subsequent funding.

[JHBowden]

31. Enough of the rhetoric.

Kerry voted to give Bushit leverage with Saddam Insane; he did not vote for an arbitrary invasion.

Secondly, Kerry voted against the 87 Billion. This point is fact and isn't debatable.

[Angry Black Man]

35. yes it is

You're buying into more political speak from Kerry who's try'n to cover his ass. He knew exactly what he was voting for.. there was no ambiguity during that debate WHICH WENT ON FOR DAYS. Time to wake up, Democrats! If you really want to change the system..change this freak'n country...change the world for the better, you've got to get your head's out of the sand because you're play'n the same, damn game!! You're walking right into the trap.

[JHBowden]

43. Leaving Bush in office isn't "change."

Loyal Democrats like Harkin, Dodd, Schumer, Edwards, Biden, Clinton, and so forth voted to give the President leverage with Hussein.

I'm not going to bash these people either for the mistakes of Junior.

[MoonRiver]

45. You just said, quote:

"Time to wake up, Democrats!"

From this message, and the other what 24 othere you've posted on DU, I can surmise that you are telling Democrats, as a non-Democrat, how to vote. ROFLMAO.

[Angry Black Man]

46. there you go again

LOL

[MoonRiver]

49. There I go again, WHAT!

You have as yet answered NONE of my questions. And, you haven't even pled the 5th, LOL!

[Angry Black Man]

52. you said

"From this message, and the other what 24 othere you've posted on DU, I can surmise that you are telling Democrats, as a non-Democrat, how to vote. ROFLMAO"


You are therefore, once again, play'n the McCarthy thing... "ah ha! ...gotcha.. I knew you were a spy" THAT is what I'm talk'n about.

[JHBowden]

53. If it walks like a duck......

:shrug:

[MoonRiver]

55. I think you need to get a new handle.

Every black male I've know, angry or otherwise, could press his point better than that. :D

[mitchum]

68. No, there you go...soon

[tiedye]

54. More like how to think

he's right, you know. You are telling people how to vote he's rtelling us how to liberate ourselves.

[tiedye]

51. First he voted for it

changed mind due to what? This would be more interesting from you.

He voted to give Bush the power to declare war without congress, how wrong is that?

[JHBowden]

59. Bush lied about the WMD for one.

We should be able to believe the President. Undermining American credibility around the world itself is a reason to send Bush permanently back to his fake ranch in Crawford.

[MAlibdem]

48. Booo effing HOOOOOOO

It would've passed either way, he was posturing himself to the right of Dean, it let him win, it's called politics, you think he would have taken the initiative to GO to WAR like Bush did? You'd have to be REALLY dumb to think so.

[tiedye]

57. rationalization

I understand you hate Bush, but we also hate the way this country is run and would like to see some positive change. Kerry is not that change.

Its called standing for what you believe in rather than just politicking for votes.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

50. Holy shit!

I can't believe no one has pointed this out yet! Way to stay on top of things.

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[MoonRiver]

11. Howard Dean is NOT the nominee.

Now your choice is * or Kerry (Nader won't win - GET IT?). SO, who do you want * or Kerry? An answer would be appreciated.

[tiedye]

21. yes no answers

encourage the shallowness of the debate. No one will ever agree on all the issue of a candidate. We are all different people with different views. However, can you be against the war and for Kerry? This is the problem all the Kerry Cheeleaders have, when it comes to the issues, the candidates are virtually indistinguishable. Of course we have gotten to know W. so well over the last few years and at least Kerry has a 200 word plus vocabulary.

[JHBowden]

28. BS.

Does Bush support gun control? Does Bush oppose school vouchers? Does Bush oppose capital punishment? Is Bush pro-choice?

What is wrong with you?

[MoonRiver]

41. WTF!!!!! We KNOW Kerry's liberal record. And we absolutely KNOW

that rightwing piece of shit *'s fascist record. I DEFY anybody to put the two in the same category.

[progressiveBadger]

12. BUT HE ISN'T

He won't be the nominee. So let's move on. Can't we ALL agree that Kerry is better than Bush? November isn't a primary! It's the LAST shot we have to keep Bush from getting another 4 years. Four more that are guaranteed to be worse than the last four because he doesn't have to worry about being reelected anymore.
Ok, I'm done.

[JHBowden]

15. Are you the keymaster?

:beer:

[tiedye]

10. ABM is right

I think illegally disenfranchised voters from Florida should get two votes this time.

Kerry is going further right. We have been had again.

The war is wrong and that is why we all supposedly hate Bush, however we start to hear the weeping women cry out for the man that will save them. The man that will beat Bush for them. On the major issues, Kerry is a big fat zero so far.

Read The Buying of the President 2004 and see that Kerry is sponsored by big money.

As Mumia Abu says, Bush and Kerry are basically the same when compared to the average American.

I think I'll write in Mumia. Passionate, honest, a prisoner of the system.

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[progressiveBadger]

14. I get the impression

that you are all the same person. Seeing has how you say the exact same thing... huh, that's odd.

[tiedye]

47. paranoid

[mitchum]

69. strident

[MoonRiver]

23. Gee, the under 30 posts have a coalition it seems!

LOLOL!

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[emulatorloo]

65. welcome to du, and what do you base

your interesting fantasy on.

[InflateableLove]

32. Where can we find the 1971 Kerry book "The New Soldier"?

Is it still in print?

[tiedye]

58. too bad he took a U-y

complete about face. He is a war supporter now, but he was marvelous when he spoke to Congress about the Viet Nam War. I think his brain has been replaced.

[MoonRiver]

62. So you'd rather have the warmonger in chief in charge?

Looks that way. Gee, I wonder why??? DUH.

[newyawker99]

70. Hi InflateableLove!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[MAlibdem]

56. MINE DOES!

ENOUGH TO SEND MY ASS UP TO NH ON PRIMARY DAY AND STAND IN 10-20 degree temperatures!

I KNOW THIS GUY IS MY GUY AND WE'RE GOING TO WIN!

[ulysses]

60. then do it.

This really isn't difficult.

[SlackJaw]

71. You are abso-freakin-lutely nuts

the artist formerly known as Penny Foolish.