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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:34 PM
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Judgement
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:40 PM by bigbrother05
If we are going to critique Obama on Judgment

Then Clinton deserves the same critique

Discuss
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:35 PM
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1. Gas Tax Insanity...
I mean really - does she think we're idiots?
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:36 PM
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2. Good job spelling Judgment
That's all I have tonight.

;)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:39 PM
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4. That's cool, everyone needs to take some time off to be the speling
police once in a while..... :patriot:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:39 PM
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6. Then you have nothing tonight because it's spelled correctly.
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:44 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
"Judgment" is the correct spelling in the US.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:15 AM
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31. I know. And OMG he changed it and now it's MISSPELLED!
Sheesh

I was just complimenting him, absolutely no sarcasm intended!!!

:wow:
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:24 AM
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35. I only changed one the spelling police can be relentless
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vegetabletasty Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:37 PM
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3. Clinton has been critiqued on judgment a zillion times
It's time to attack the one who pretended to have good judgment.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:39 PM
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5. Could you provide a list of the Zillions?
Thanks! :hi:

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vegetabletasty Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:44 PM
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15. ok
Clinton Judgment On Wrong Track - New York Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3DD1E3FF937A25750C0A965958260

Obama challenged Clinton's judgment on Iran
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/26/post_156.html

pro-obama blog TPM attacks Clinton's judgment
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/judgment-lest-we-forget.php

And 439,000 total hits to the "Clinton judgment" string will certainly keep you busy for a while.

and if you want to argue that in the DU her judgment has not been criticized, be aware that DU is 90% pro-Obama and has always bashed Clinton on everything.



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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:45 PM
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16. LOL. The rethugs will unload on her if by some miracle she won the nomination
This notion that Hillary has been completely vetted and can't be touched in the GE is beyond absurd.

Obama has refused to attack her like that because he doesn't play those games. Thankfully a person like Obama has respect for people and refuses to get in the gutter and launch insidious attacks.

She has the highest negatives out of any of the candidates remaining. A GOP slime machine would absolutely bury her. I'm just shocked Hillary supporters can't see it.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:04 AM
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40. So she doesn't even pretend to have good judgment?
Then why is she bothering to run? Is it just to stop Obama?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:39 PM
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7. Read the Fucking Intelligence Reports.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:39 PM
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8. Serving on Wal-Mart Board = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:40 PM by berni_mccoy
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:40 PM
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9. Voting for the Iraq War = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:41 PM by berni_mccoy
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:41 PM
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10. Voting for the Bankruptcy Bill = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:41 PM by berni_mccoy
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:42 PM
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11. Using Racially Divisive Campaign Strategy = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:42 PM
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12. Paying Mark Penn (STILL) over 100,000 per day = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:58 PM
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24. and he is still on her staff
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:43 PM
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13. Supporting and Promoting NAFTA = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:00 AM
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25. How is that working out for her
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:44 PM
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14. Voting to Increase H1B Visas = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:45 PM
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17. Having her Campaign go $15 million in debt = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:45 PM
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18. Lying About Sniper Fire = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:53 PM
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21. Flooding a Forum = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:54 PM
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22. I know. Ever since Clinton's paid staff has invaded DU, it's been utter chaos around here.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:06 AM
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27. You are a treasure trove of info
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:49 PM
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19. Continuing a Presidential campaign past the point of a reasonable expectation of victory ,
using strategies that empower the other side in the general election,

pursuing the bitter end rather than leaving on top is a clear indication of a lack of judgement.


Basing that final gasp of a strategy on the premise that key core parts of the Democratic party are going to be denied

a fair victory is really a form of a psychosis.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:50 PM
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20. Obliterate Iran really bad Judgment
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:55 PM
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23. Big States Only and Done on February 5 campaign - bad judgement.
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:56 PM by bhikkhu
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:02 AM
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26. KandR - bookmarking. Outstanding thread!!!
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:10 AM
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28. Kyl / Lieberman vote: EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:11 AM
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29. Vote to continue the spread of cluster bombs: EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:13 AM
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30. Spreading racist Wright innuendo to superdelegates: EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:18 AM
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32. Judgment means never having to say "I'm sorry.."
Edited on Thu May-01-08 12:18 AM by Kristi1696
"...That I sent your child to die in an illegal war".

:hug:
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:20 AM
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33. Saying McSame was more qualified to be commander in chief than Obama: EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:49 PM
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48. Calling him "definitely" qualified, but that she only thought she might be: EVEN WORSE JUDGMENT
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:21 AM
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34. Creating www.delegatehub.com = EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT
Delegate Hub is a site HIllary created to try to steal committed delegates (non-SDs).
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:27 AM
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36. Had not heard of that
how is that working out for her
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:29 AM
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37. Both lack it, your point? n/t
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:43 AM
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38. Judgment is now the talking point of the media
Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright.
Tit for Tat
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:03 AM
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39. Hell, I knew Obama lacked Judgment since late last year, and Hillary hasn't found it yet...
and Reverend Wright has little to do with it, for me. Tit for Tat may be fair, but also be consistent, or else you will most likely be branded a hypocrite.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:05 AM
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41. Day of Judgment God is calling
Underneath the War Pigs crawling

Begging mercy for their sins

Satan laughing spreads his wings
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:06 AM
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42. Gas tax holiday, WTF?
Seriously, :wtf:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:56 AM
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43. Exercising good judgment to Kick this thread
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:12 AM
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44. As a non-USA citizen:
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:21 AM by dbmk
Examples:
He warned about the bad lending practices before the crisis was evident.
Late 2002 he painted a picture of the Iraq war that is uncanny in its accuracy.
Just these days he made the right call on the gas tax, instead of going for cheap points. Every economist agrees with him.

Really..what more do you need in a president? X-ray vision?

I have seen nothing of the same foresight and insight from Hillary.

Just to hammer it home:

He foresaw the almost EXACT consequences of sending men and women into a specific war. The other two enabled it - and at least one of them didn't even read the information available.
Now tell me again, who do you want to be president?
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:33 PM
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47. The world is watching
I hear Germans have a very high opinion of him also.
Thank you for your opinion.
It would be nice if you could keep us informed as to what the rest of the world is seeing
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:13 AM
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45. Obama wins the judgment test any way you slice it.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:50 AM
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46. 35 years of experience bad judgment
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