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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:04 PM
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All is not well at HILLARY'S Plantation
I don't know about you but there seem to be undercurrents.

Big shots from the Hillary campaign are now 'jumping ship'.

The 'Knee-Capping' of President-to-be Obama is not working. The gun-toting, sniping dodging, race baiting tactics of Hillary seemed to work in PA but now let's check what's going on.

There's a big problemo:- 55% negativity of Hillary according to Gallup. No superdelegate is going to support a candidate who is unlikable and dishonest with a negative rating of 55% way above McCain and Obama (see gallop.com).

Although there seems to be a small surge in Clinton support in Indiana and NC wright now because of the Knee-Capping, Obama is going to win the win NC by a large majority and Indiana by a smidgeon. There have been reports that congress is supporting Obama over Hillary. Obama has only about 13 Superdelegates to nab as of today? He's almost there!



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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:06 PM
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1. ummm unfortunately it is working Obama is sinking in the polls.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:09 PM
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5. He's back up in the latest polls.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:19 PM
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39. Well...not in NC
Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:20 PM by Secret_Society
Here are the comparisons of the firms cited in the RCP Average previous two polls

Survey USA
Obama +5 (was +9)

Rasmussen
Obama +14 (was +21)

PPP
Obama +12 (was +25)

The Mason Dixon and Research 2000 poll have him +7
He was supposed to win NC by 20...in two weeks and being outspent 3:1 HRC has been able to do what it took Obama 6 weeks and 3x more money to do
That is called the big MO!!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:48 PM
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46. When Hillary blew her 23-point lead in PA...
...every single Hillary supporter dismissed those drops, and waved them away.

I pretty much agreed--that these races always tighten--no matter who starts out ahead.

What matters is...who wins and who wins the most delegates in that state.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:02 PM
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50. Superdelegates to you!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:16 PM
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54. There was almost bound to be some tightening as we got closer to primary day and
there will be more fluctuation with almost daily polling of smaller samples.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:25 PM
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40. Of course he is!!
it happened when the last Wright lollapalooza took place...or when 'bitter-gate' was the rage. Up and down and all around...but basically an up-hill battle all the way. Who would have thunk?
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machiado Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:45 PM
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52. He'll move back up before the 6th
The interview on Today, the divorce from Wright, the superdelegates who endorse, will all bring things back into balance by the 6th. Any MAYBE, some of Hillary's gaffes will also come to light (can't push a button to get cappucino to come out of a machine, declaring "God Bless us rich people" on O'Reilly, stupid pandering about gas taxes, a 501c3 organization WVWV staffed by Hillary supporters suppressing the vote in state after state, etc.)
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:58 PM
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61. The Clinton cmpaign are running around llike headless chickens
sorry chickens
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jpertello Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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2. I made a video.
Yes, I devoted time to making a video about how Hillary Clinton all but abandoned Upstate NY after her many campaign promises when she was running as our carpetbagging senator-to-be. God, I hate her.

Anyway, enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6XbUIwbjg
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:15 PM
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10. He has also raised a lot more money..and this also will be a reason
the super delegates will find him more electable
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:27 PM
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22. yes you are right the grassroots fundraising in excess of Clinton
will make him more electable
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:36 PM
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27. ding ding ding!
$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:52 PM
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33. That was very good. Loved the music, but that was so sad.
I hope she loses her senate seat also.

Welcome to DU :hi:



Peace:thumbsup:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:49 PM
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47. Ah the TATA group! Yeah Hillary and Bill are tight with them! Vin Gupta's friends.
Check out my journal:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/1776Forever

Nice video! Thanks for taking the time to do that!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:56 PM
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59. Yes we span!
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:51 PM
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56. Nice work! Thanks! But the last 4 minutes are dark
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jpertello Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:31 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. yeah, sorry. it was my 1st try at a video.
gotta get the bugs worked out.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:57 PM
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60. Good video!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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3. Short term gotcha victories are just that:short term. Obama has the long term support from
small donors and grassroot supporters alike.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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4. Calling Hillary's campaign a plantation seems to imply that she is racist. I don't think that's
true.

Great news about the 13 Superdelegates! He's our next President.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:10 PM
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6. Yeah, I would change the word plantation
I think Hillary is willing to use racially divisive tactics when it suits her but I don't think she personally is racist.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:12 PM
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8. I agree. No reason for that word to be used.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:20 PM
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15. Sure there is a reason to use that word.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton drew criticism Tuesday for a Martin Luther King Jr. Day speech in which she told a mostly black audience at a Harlem church that Republican leaders have run the House "like a plantation" and the Bush administration will go down as "one of the worst" in U.S. history.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/17/clinton.plantation/

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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:09 PM
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37. Oh, I thought your post would be about Bill and Hill havin'
marital problems...If not now...then (AS IF!) she actually won the presidency. Can you even imagine how she would keep a leash on him?

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:42 PM
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44. That doesn't make a link to using it to describe her campaign.

I loathe her, stop making me defend her!!! :p
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:13 PM
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"We need to be careful whom we associate with because we give them tacit approval"
Thats what she said. Lets see now.. Yup with that metric she pretty much is a racist, dishonest, vindictive politician. Sad to see but damned by her own words.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:13 PM
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9. Unless it suits her
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:18 PM
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13. she called Geoge Bushland a plantation
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:26 PM
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21. what else do you call someone who uses racism for their own ends?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:36 PM
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28. Rev. Wright.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. zing!
:rofl:

emilyg: 1 woolldog: 0
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:53 PM
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34. I agree, she is an opportunist
and the minute she gets her foot in the door, she will step on anybody in her way.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:12 PM
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7. There were probably slave owners who weren't all that racist,
just willing to exploit the Africans' misfortune.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:17 PM
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11. Hillary had no problem using "Plantation" for Republicans......
and considering that she has turned into one, I find no problem at all using that word describing things she does.

Sen. Hillary Clinton drew criticism Tuesday for a Martin Luther King Jr. Day speech in which she told a mostly black audience at a Harlem church that Republican leaders have run the House "like a plantation"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/17/clinton.plantation/
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:23 PM
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18. The House "has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," said Clinton,
quote, unquote
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:18 PM
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12. Good point.... n/t



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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:19 PM
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14. You can't live that closely around black people
and still think they are inferior or subhuman. Think how many owners probably even fell in love with slaves. It sort of makes the plantation owners worse when you think about it.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:32 PM
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24. Read Huckleberry Fin and tell me that ... "Alright then, I'll go to hell."
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:43 PM
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45. Well, yeah.....look at what happened in South Africa.

Um..not many slave owners fell in love with their slaves. I think using the term plantation is kinda strong for Hillary. I may not like her. But, I don't think Hillary or Bill are racist.

Just taking the wrong steps to win the election.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. not racist per se
however tipping the balance that it could work against Obama
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:30 PM
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51. Another good point.... n/t
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. Exactly my point. You can use racism to your advantage without
personally believing in it. That's what the Clintons have been doing.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:22 PM
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17. wtf are you looking for a pizza, by rationalizing slavery. that is just stupid.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:24 PM
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19. ????????????????????????
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:26 PM by Jed Dilligan
on edit: It makes perfect sense now. You think it's okay to viciously exploit defenseless people, as long as you personally don't think they as a group are your natural inferior. Which is exactly my point about the Clintons.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:50 PM
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31. that's some pretty twisted thinking you got going on there. nt
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:51 PM
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32. If you don't get my point you are probably a
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:56 PM
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35. No, I don't get your point, saying some slave owners really liked their slaves and that makes them
not racist is, ignorant.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:00 PM
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36. Okay. Whatever. I'll buy it if a black person agrees.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:03 PM by Jed Dilligan
But you alone? Nah.

On edit: I may be ignorant, but I know enough to know there were black slaveowners. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I doubt they were racist against themselves.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:21 PM
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16. Nope. No race card being played by Obama supporters here. None at all.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:25 PM
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20. no not us
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. Well...there is..
only one side that is trying to stir up racism to win an election. Sad isn't it? Funny how some accuse Obama of the things the Clinton's have done. As if we don't remember....

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
Washington, D.C.,
Group Accused of High-Tech Dirty Tricks to Suppress Black Vote
By Sarah Lai Stirland EmailApril 30, 2008 | 5:41:18 PMCategories: Election '08

A D.C. advocacy group called Women's Voices, Women Vote is being accused of waging a high-tech voter suppression campaign, after voters in predominantly black districts in North Carolina began receiving automated phone calls implying that they hadn't properly registered to vote in the upcoming Democratic primary.
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The Institute for Southern Studies notes that North Carolina isn't the only state in which Women's Voices, Women Vote has caused a ruckus among voters and election officials, and that many of its officials have connections with Hillary Clinton, either by having worked in President Bill Clinton's administration or through campaign donations.
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Don Powell, who runs a political phone-calling company in Portland, Oregon, says the fact that the autodial campaign was performed anonymously suggests it wasn't an innocent mistake. In general, he says, anonymous, automated campaigns are designed to suppress voter turnout.

"It does happen in North Carolina," he said. "It works, or they wouldn't bother. It's sleazy money, and it affects people like me who would never think about doing this."
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/north-carolin-1.html
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:00 PM
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64. I'm sure that they are up to their tricks in NC
Edited on Fri May-02-08 05:08 PM by bambino
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:00 PM
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63. Why is Hillary's campaign manager involved with the robo-calling group
that is attempting to suppress the black vote in North Carolina? I would like an explanation.

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:28 PM
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23. The NY Times has the SD difference as 16
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:34 PM
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26. OK
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:32 PM
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25. UNLIKEABLE and DISHONEST....
That adds up to 110% to me. Call it fuzzy math, if you like, but there's nothing fuzzy about this picture.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:45 PM
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29. This is how Bill the Platation master talks
“Hillary is in this race today because of people like you,” he told one white working-class audience.

“She’s in it for you and she’s in it because of you. People like you have voted for her in every single state in the country.”

People like you. The phrase hung in the air and the room quieted. Clinton didn’t say what the people who voted for Obama were like, but the suggestion was that they were somehow different.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/05/05/080505ta_talk_lizza
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM
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38. It's over Obama has won
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:40 PM
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42. The nomination, yes ...
Hillary is simply determined to prevent Senator Obama from winning in November, thus assuming the front-runner for 2012 title.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:59 PM
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48. she is
determined to prevent Obama from winning ie knee-capping
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:28 PM
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55. If that's her goal, then she certainly can't be planning to run as a Dem....
I know that time supposedly heals all wounds, but she is beyond the pale, and I don't fancy her chances after this.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:40 PM
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43. Excellent analogy! I am with you on all that! It is about time!
55% negativity of Hillary according to Gallup - Sure as H not good!!!

:nopity:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:44 AM
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58. This Anti-Hillary Meme #2432. It shows up every week or so.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 05:45 AM by Perry Logan
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:12 PM
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66. the election is not about anti Hillary it is about undoing Washington corruption
and she is not going to undo
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:59 PM
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62. What explanation does Hillary Clinton's campaign have for their connection with robo-callers?
Maggie Williams, Hillary's campaign manager, helped found the organization that is attempting to disenfranchise black voters in North Carolina and eleven other states.

I take this very seriously. I am listening. What explanation does the Clinton campaign have for this?

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/

Center for Investigative Reporting follows Women's Voices' political connections
Will Evans with the Center for Investigative Reporting has compiled a helpful chart documenting in detail the connections between the principals of Women's Voices Women Vote -- the nonprofit we discovered behind illegal election robo-calls in North Carolina -- and the various presidential campaigns.

As we have already noted, many of the group's top leaders have worked for Bill and Hillary Clinton in some capacity. Founder and President Page Gardner, for example, served as the deputy political director for the 1992 Bill Clinton campaign and worked on his presidential transition team. Executive Director Joe Goode was a pollster for Bill Clinton, and former Women's Voices leadership team member and strategic planner Maggie Williams is now Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

The Center breaks new ground by showing just how heavily and disproportionately Women's Voices principals have invested in the Hillary Clinton campaign. According to the chart, they have donated a total of $34,800 to Hillary Clinton or HillPAC since 2000. At the same time, they have donated only $3,600 to the Obama campaign and $2,300 to John Edwards.


Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Institute of Philanthropy in Chicago, said that's a concern as it gives the appearance of a conflict of interest. Rick Cohen, former executive director of the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy and a national correspondent for Nonprofit Quarterly magazine, added that such relationships create "the image, if not the reality, of self-dealing."]

Labels: Center for Investigative Reporting, facing south, hillary clinton, north carolina primary, Page Gardner, robo-calls, voting rights, women's voices women vote
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:11 PM
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65. If the MSM were on the side of Obama they would have this as headlines
it is racially shocking 1000x more than wright
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