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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:04 PM Original message |
My Worst Nightmare, Obama Is A Milquetoast Candidate Who Doesn't Fight Back |
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. never mind |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. You mistake fighting with muckraking. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Agreed. Hillary supporters are so dysfucntional they alienated themselves into a corner. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. party unity? There are legitimate POLICY differences. Even the Gas Tax Holiday. Obama can't even |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. He surely can deliver it, here, but will anyone air it? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. I think it is racism. The uppity (elitist) black man looking down on whites pisses off racists |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
102. Yeah, yeah. It's "racism". Except when it's PRO-Obama, right? |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. bingo |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. FUCK party unity. Clinton supporters will get over it. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Obama CAN'T attack Hillary as hard as he could attack McCain. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Original message |
Please, that is a sad excuse for a campaign that can't figure out how to get in a good dig. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. He's definitely on the defensive now, that's for sure. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. But what is he supposed to do? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Attack McCain/Bush a lot more. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Exactly. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. And what the current Hillary supporters don't get is that.... |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. And we still get that accusation sent our way anyway. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. He could ask what she meant when she said "Senator Punjab" & "outsourcing will continue" |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. He addressed "Senator Punjab" long ago. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. He could say..."well you stuck with that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. He should FIGHT BACK and just plain FIGHT |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Fighting back means he has to hit Hillary on her ugly little secrets. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. He's not even fighting back on her pandering on the gas tax. n/t |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Are you kidding? What else do you want him to say? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. How about "McCain startered shamelessly pandering, and |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. He chose different words, but that's exactly what he's been saying. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. The choice of words is VERY important. n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
98. No it isnt. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think he should start hitting McCain with both guns blazing right now. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. It's hard to see what the page-turn will look like.... |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 05:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
83. Which guns are those? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. They are not loaded with race-baiting or lies- so some Hill supporters might not relate. n/t |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. 30 second sound bites full of sound fury that ultimately signify nothing |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. He knows he has to win over Hillary's voters. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. I agree. Shades of Dukakis all over again. Ugh. n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. At least the "Willie Horton" part of it- except that has mostly come from Hillary. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. The sick thing, Hillary's gas station photo-op was the TRUE Dukakis in a tank moment. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. His campaign has decided to let Clinton |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. Obama not a fighter? |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. I am "Sick and Disgusted" with so-called "supporters" posting this spineless tripe. As Hillary says, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. the 'big picture' is the General Election. And Obama is looking weaker and weaker |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. He does fight, just not fight dirty. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. I think he's weaving his way between MSM and Clinton's magnificently.. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. Obama has said he will play much different with McCain than with Hillary |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I've seen nothing that says we cant trust him on that. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. that is several months away. In the meantime, Americans are witnessing an elitist pansy getting |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. If that is all true, attacking McCain & Bush is the answer, I think. n/t |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I think that's what YOU'RE witnessing. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I'm not asking for him to "tear down" Hillary. That's the thing. Just deliver very pointed comments |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. That's not going to be effective either, for exactly the reasons that you're frustrated with him. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. Well, you got attention with this post. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. All right. That's it. Plonk to you and your bullshit. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. "Elitist Pansy?" YIKES!!!!!!! |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 04:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
81. Ah, the wonders of a catch 22 - so you are jumping on Obama |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Superdelegates may not give him the chance. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. He decided or the DNC decided? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. maybe you are right. Very risky. Cause for the next several months, as Hillary keeps it up |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Unfortunately, also very necessary. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. IF Obama fights back: black vs blonde. OJ, etc |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I've seen enough race-code played to believe that. n/t |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. WORD. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
90. Hell they've already played the gangbang card |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
36. . |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. He is allowing himself to be defined |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
41. The Chris Wallace interview certainly didn't help with that perception |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. I still haven't seen that interview. Is it worth the time to go look for it? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. It's on the political videos forum |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
42. He can't, he's the candidate of Hope, and a new kind of politics. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
43. I don't think his campaign has related well to news cycles IMHO. He can deliever one liners that are |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
44. 41-0 on the rec batting average. Not as slick as you thought you were. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. He painted himself into a corner with his "new" politics. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. Hillary has nothing to lose in going after him, and he has everything to lose by fighting back |
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Yurovsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. great point ... |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 05:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
85. Exactly |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Haha, great analogy. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. He has no backbone, it is just who he is |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
82. Tossing slime is a measure of strength? That's news to me, though |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
61. Obama is weak - his campaign does surreptitious smear attacks best |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Anyone can shrilly yell, "I'm a fighter!" Obama prefers to win the race. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. My "trek in life"? Get real --- NT |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Yep, that's being real. Maybe you haven't had to ever fight your way to get anything. |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. It's a classic part of the Eastern political culture |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Obama is not from the east. He's from Hawaii. nt |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. I am not from the East either - I am from Knoxville, Tennessee |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. don't worry, he will hit mccain hard. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
68. You think a skinny black man who had all the bricks stacked against him, but who is winning... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Your post is fabulous, and thank you for getting real! It should be its own |
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Pablotomboy (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
73. Obama has fought back |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. He can't attack Hillary |
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Condem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
75. You're thread is one. |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
80. If that is the criteria how you elect your candidate |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
84. I can remember back when we lived in a free country with a free press. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
86. Being able to trash your enemy's framing is more important than overt aggression |
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Dyllyn (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
88. Engaging in throwing insults back and forth is not fighting it,s its just rude |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
89. Oh good grief. It's milquetoast "supporters" who lack the cajones, |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
91. Not so fast - Do we need 2 Rambo Rocky Win At All Cost candidates? Isn't 1 enough? |
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rolleitreks (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
92. He is fighting back, with poise, restraint and reason. n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
94. i hate to do it to ya but... |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
95. He's a wuss. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. So, in your perfect world, Democratic nominee candidates shred each other to pieces? |
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Anexio (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
96. "I supported Joe Biden." |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
97. Give me a fucking break. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
100. He's already been branded "Dukakis"; aka: Loser. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Well, at least Hillary's Willie Horton style race attacks make part of that analogy correct. |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
101. I really don't know how you can even say this |
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