So, let me get this straight - people are going apeshit for something said 16 years ago?

[Rabrrrrrr]

Un-fucking-believable.

Even if it were true and not a doctored video, it's FROM FUCKING 1992!!!! AND IT'S NOT EVEN SAID BY A CANDIDATE!!! IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!!!

Jesus Christ, that's as lame as caring what someone's pastor says or what someone's grandfather did during WWII.



Let's assume Kantor said what the video shows him saying (which we know he didn't) - I would still ask why does it matter what a campaign manager of an election from 16 years ago that didn't involve, in any real or direct way, any current candidates, and who has no real, meaningful relationship with any current candidate?


Goddamn.

I wish the world would grow the fuck up.

"You had a tangential and irrelevant relationship with so-and-so 16 years ago, and he said blah blah! Are you going to condemn it? Your campaign is over!!"


And in the interest of full disclosure, I am an Obama supporter, and even if this were real, it would be a goddamned waste of time.

But then, everything the MSM does is a goddamned waste of time.

I wish you people would come to realize that, instead of pawing after every piece of bullshit irrelevancy read and circus nonsense and pretending it's earth-shatteringly important.

[Symarip]

1. So, what your saying is

We should be more focused on what the candidates are saying, and not on the words of their surrogates and/or advisors from the past?


Oh, the irony...

[Rabrrrrrr]

9. Yup!

Of course, that would be unamerican.

[Symarip]

22. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you

And yes, I play along sometimes with the BS because it's full of snark and lulz. It's funny to see how the other side reacts when the shoe is on the other foot. The pony-haters sure pulled up the drawbridge pretty quickly.

This, too shall pass, HRC fans. Anyways, back to what I was talking about before:

You down with DLC?

Yeah, you know me!

[Rabrrrrrr]

47. Yeah, I figured you agreed with me.

The level of immaturity around here is deplorable.

[emilyg]

18. Current is fine

but 16 yrs. ago sounds like desperate crap.

[TheDudeAbides]

38. advisors fromt the past?

does last week count as "the past"?

[nichomachus]

53. What is the expiration date on racist statements? I've been trying to find it and can't

[havocmom]

2. No, going apeshit because the ape who said it is an HRC advisor

She sure knows how to pick 'em

[barb162]

33. And how was she supposed to know he said something.

It wasn't her campaign and it's a doctored video, right? BTW, did HRC dedicate a book to this guy or something?

[TheDudeAbides]

39. it's not like BLT

funny how Obama is given a pass on the separatist teachings of Black Liberation Theology
while you are trying to hold Senator Clinton responsible some something an advisor said one time
when she wasn't around 15 years ago!

HAHAHAHAHA

With all due respect to the intelligent Obama supporters here, you guys really registered some
childish people. Is it worth it?

[FlaGranny]

66. Vice versa I'm sure. n/t

[Shine]

3. Exactly. The whole thing is completely bullshit and distracting from what really matters.

Can we just stick to the issues, please? :eyes:

[LakeSamish706]

16. Yeah, we want to stick to the issues when the shit is stuck to the Clinton campaign...

instead of the Obama campaign for a change.

[Shine]

23. I'm an Obama supporter and I wanted to stick to the issues with the Wright shit, too

it just seems like unnecessary distraction to me.

[LakeSamish706]

27. I'm not arguing with you, but it hypocrisy for the Clinton supporters that wanted..

to continue bringing up the Wright thing when it should have long died is my point.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Where was your outrage when the DU and the MSM were going crazy over something said by a pastor when

Obama wasn't there and had already denounced his message?

Pretty selective, aren't you?

[stevenleser]

6. Thank you

[Rabrrrrrr]

17. Irrelevant argument.

But, I'll answer anyway - I was here, bitching about the ridiculousness of it.

But I don't come to GDP much, so you likely missed my posts about it.

[emilyg]

CURRENT is fine.

[Danger Mouse]

Bullshit. Hypocrisy.

[DearAbby]

5. Just like they went apeshit

over something Wright said 7 yrs ago....Smear by proxy. Rinse and repeat. It smells like GOP Rove to me...MHO

[dbonds]

21. Yes we know Rove is helping Hillary, doesn't make it any less stinky.

[Cha]

29. No, it makes it more

STINKY..the stinkiest.

[izzybeans]

7. Yep like the pastpr wright videos, some got sucked into the nonesense

i was one them.

[LakeSamish706]

8. Nope, people are going apeshit cause it adds one more reprehensible....

Rovian style POS person to the Hillary campaign. They will say and do anything to win this election and past elections for the then Bill Clinton candidacy.

[polmaven]

69. Doesn't even matter if it's true...

POS person anyway...Just because he said something other people might twist into something racist 16 years later. How could he?

[durrrty libby]

10. People are gullible dumb asses. Now that's a fact

[ShortnFiery]

11. Kantor called the people of Indiana "SHIT" & "How does it feel to be a worthless white nigger?"

Damn straight, it's PERFECTLY APT! :nuke:

[JoFerret]

12. Something that WASN'T said

.

[high density]

13. Well gee whiz, it's a bit different now that the guilt by association sewer is backing up

and flooding into the Clinton campaign.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Wait you're not outraged??

And you CLAIM to be an Obama supporter?

Hmmmmmm?

Something's not right here.

*whispering* ---- Good work Secret Agent R1.47b! We will be in touch with your reward. <end trans>

[Dr Fate]

15. Guilt by association: It's not just for black folks anymore.

;)

[NatBurner]

24. lol

[dbonds]

19. Are you saying that relevance matters?

Like Obama's kindergarten quotes? Like the Wright sideshow? Like Rezko? Like Ayers? Like bitterness on economy making people vote on other issues? Like using words from a speech-writer? Relevance is relative I guess.

[rocktivity]

20. They kind of obliged to because they went so apeshit

over what Rev. Wright said over ten years ago which Obama had nothing to do it.

:headbang:
rocknation

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Obama has to answer for a guy who did something back when he was 8 years old. nt

[texastoast]

26. PATHETIC, isn't it?

Good rant, by the way.

[Rabrrrrrr]

41. Yes. Totally fucking pathetic.

And thanks for the compliment! :hi:

[HughMoran]

28. Some on DU clearly have a FReeper mentality

This promotion of a 16 year old doctored video is disgusting! :puke:

[Orsino]

30. The MSM didn't fuck this up.

We apparently did that on our own. :D

But don't worry too much about nine-minute wonders. The lasting distractions are more worrisome.

[Lilith Velkor]

31. Fuckin' A.

Well said! :toast:

[Jane Austin]

32. Last I heard, they were going apeshit

over something a Chicago leftist said FORTY years ago.

[sudopod]

34. It's pretty much the same as the Rev Wright stuff.

A complete waste of time, true or not.

The only thing it is useful for is subtle bait for bored internet trolls.

[ProSense]

35. Ayers: 40 years and counting. (Obama was 8) n/t

[Danger Mouse]

36. Karma for Wright and Ayers.

[lastliberalintexas]

37. Because otherwise people would have to discuss the issues

And, you know, Obama and Clinton aren't *that* far apart on most issues, so it's easier for the supporters to get pissed off about some tengential red herring.

[Rabrrrrrr]

40. That's it - the media and the corporations lose if America actually grows a brain

and starts discussing REAL issues.

MUCH better to feed America bread and circuses. The Clintonites who bought the Wright bait and the Obama-ites who bought this bait, and all of the other baits that all sides have bit on, are simply a sign that our country is too fucking dumb to continue to exist.

[lastliberalintexas]

43. Yes, I vacillate in my feeling towards the American public

Sometimes, I think we are rightly getting the (bad) government we deserve. Other times, I at least try to be understanding of how hard it can be to actually be informed with what the corporate media and entertainment industry feeds us, not to mention that kids aren't taught shit in school anymore and people are working longer and longer hours to survive. Most of the time I feel some sympathy for Joe and Jane Sixpack, but it is tough.

[Honeycombe8]

42. 1992 doesn't seem long ago to me. HRC would have us believe it wasn't long ago, either.

But I have a problem with it for another reason: If it's a non-doctored video, I don't know if the offensiveness transfers to HRC. It MIGHT transfer to Billie Boy a bit, but I don't know how much. And I'm not sure it transfers to her at all. It might. We'll see.

[NashVegas]

44. Then You Might Remember What Some People Were Saying About Bill Clinton and His Mom in '92

"White trash."

[Honeycombe8]

50. No. I do recall that he ran on the premise of being a Bubba-type, so he could

get votes from blue collar workers. That is to say, he exaggerated that part of his upbringing, downplaying the ivy league stuff. I don't recall ever hearing the term "white trash" used in the campaign by other Dem. candidates.

[L0oniX]

45. Gee ...how long ago did Wright say "G0d damn America"?

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. Before you get stupidly snarky at me and embarrass yourself any more, read my post.

:eyes:

Jesus.

[bridgit]

48. But I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys R Us kid...

[progressoid]

49. Well...It's not that simple.

Sometimes it does matter. It depends on who said it and under what circumstances. I certainly wouldn't dismiss anything said 16 years ago by...say...Karl Rove.

Nor can you simply write something off because it was 16 years ago. What about 8 years ago? Or 2 years ago? Or 21 years ago?

Certainly the Kantor thing has a feeling of "tit for tat". But let's face it, we're mixing politics with the fun, fun world of the internet. We, denizens of the web eat this kind of shit up.

[Rabrrrrrr]

55. Sure - we can hold peoples' statements against them. But not against others.

I don't think it's helpful, or even ethical, to hold Person A's statements against Person B, whether it's one of Clinton's friends, or Obama's, or McCains... or yours or mine. Everyone, I imagine, has had a friend (or likely still has one) with whom one doesn't agree 100% on every issue under the sun, and also who occasionally says or does really dumb things. I would hope that no one would hold my friend's actions against me, and so I don't hold other peoples' friends' actions against them.

Purity tests piss me off, because there is not a single person in the world who is "pure"; thus, everyone playing the purity test game is a lying hypocrite who serves merely to continue to dumb down the intellectual and maturity levels of this country. Which levels were already, as you hopefully realize, dangerously low and practically non-existent.

[progressoid]

58. Intellectual and maturity levels?

They are so low, I'm not sure they are even measurable most of the time!

I spent about an hour listening to AM radio today. Man, is that depressing. :banghead:

[Rabrrrrrr]

62. Yeah, pretty much we've needed a micrometer to read them since Reagan took office.

Got a little better under Clinton, taking one good giant step forward, but then we took about 600 giant steps backwards under Bush the Fuckwit II.

[polmaven]

70. I agree with you to a point,

and thank you, but the way, for showing the class you have shown in posting it.

Where I break somewhat with you is that he is now a political adviser on her campaign, and - if it had been true - Senator Clinton would have had an obligation to fire him immediately. Feelings and actions like those that people were accusing him of saying do not disappear. If there was no contact with her current campaign, I totally agree with you.

Of course, he did NOT say either of them. It was, as you point out, manufactured, so it is all moot anyway.

[DrFunkenstein]

51. Slow News Cycle...Of Course, When's The Last Time The Media Bothered...

To inform the American people about the policy issues at stake here? They make no attempts to flesh out the overall foreign policy visions of the candidates, let alone the economy or the broke down education system, or the crumbling infrastructure or a comprehensive energy plan.

[Rabrrrrrr]

52. Good points! I have to to the BBC to get that information.

Sad.

[cbayer]

54. It's like I walked into bizzaro land

.uʍop ǝpısdn sı buıɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ


Makes me dizzy.

[matcom]

56. ...

:applause:

from an Obama supporter (me) :D

[Rabrrrrrr]

57. Sexist pig.

:P:P:P

[peacefuldem]

59. The video is doctored. ABC has debunked the lie

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/official-transc.html

[Rabrrrrrr]

60. And if you'd fucking bothered to read my post, you'd know that I know that.

But, you know, feel free to just cruise around posting your ignorance based on a superficial quick reading of what you want something to say.

:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. We Know You Know That

But to the people who smeared Mickey Kantor I wouldn't piss down their throats if their hearts were on fire... But the same goes for any cretin who intentionally and I emphasize intentionally bears false witness...

[polmaven]

71. EEEWWWW!

Thanks for THAT visual! That's gonna take some doing to get rid of! :rofl:

[Life Long Dem]

67. Anyone can rent the original from Blockbuster. n/t

[truedelphi]

63. Oh JEEZ Thank You! I agree so much.

It should not matter what someone else says or does.

But in setting this up, even if Obama can make his way clear out of the Wright mess, it allows whichever person ends up the nominee to be continuously slimed by the same brush - the kindergartner teacher had a grandson who became AL Queda - and this candidate never denounced the grandson or the kindergartner teacher.

This was one reason why I did not post any remarks about the Kantnor affair - even before I found out it wasn't true.

[QC]

64. It's much worse than that--they are going apeshit over something that was NOT said at all. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

65. No, just Indiana is going apeshit. But why do you ask?

Does this mean the Ayers issue 40 years ago against Obama is off limits?

Or what about when Hill supporters dig 20 years ago on what an association of Obama's said 20 years ago in Obama's church?

Are they off limits or do you make up bogus excuses why they shouldn't be off limits?

[Rabrrrrrr]

74. Spend a few seconds to actually read my post.

You'll find all the answers in there.

Too bad you couldn't be bothered to do that in the first place before you responded.

[rasputin1952]

68. I find the reality of FOX talking about the Lincoln/Douglas debate

far more interesting...especially when they put up a pic of Frederick Douglass beside that of an aging Lincoln taken in 1865.

BTW: If Lincoln and Frederick Douglass debated, I think that Lincoln would have been bested...Douglass was quite the orator and his use of the language is something that tanscends normal speech...;)

[polmaven]

73. I love that someone there

apparently asked if there was a video of that debate....what OFFICAL MORANS!

(Hey, writing that was fun)

[dogday]

72. People are just going apeshit ...... period!!!! eom