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Sun May-04-08 10:37 PM
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The body language and tone of the two candidates tonight ... |
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There was something "different" about Hillary and Obama tonight. Hillary changed the tone of her entire speech tonight. She was more low-key, not loud, and seemed to be more conciliatory in the tone of her remarks. She let it be known that the Democratic Party would be together. Her speech was very effective, in my opinion.
Obama gave his standard stump speech with a few new lines thrown in but he looked like he just had the keys to the free world thrown in his lap. I wondered if he and Hillary might have had a little talk before their speeches tonight?
I think Hillary has finally come to the realization that if she loses both IN and NC on Tuesday, especially if she loses NC by a wide margin, that it is over. She will not have a chance to catch Obama in the popular vote nor the delegate count. I think she and Obama have come to an "understanding".
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Sun May-04-08 10:40 PM
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1. That would be nice, but iI wouldn't bet on it. Hill is always different in front of |
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Democrats in general compared to her supporters at her events.
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Sun May-04-08 10:42 PM
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3. Democrats might ask her to take a stand on the issues |
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I can see how that might throw her into a quandry.
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Sun May-04-08 10:41 PM
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2. Hillary is back to using her quiet "I need you" speaking mannerism from NH |
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I saw her speaking that way earlier today from Indiana.
All she's missing are a few tears.
It screams insincerity after the dirty campaign she's run the last 2 months.
(Worked in NH because she was still trying to run a positive campaign back then.)
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Sun May-04-08 10:44 PM
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But it just seemed like there was something different about both of the candidates tonight?
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Sun May-04-08 10:55 PM
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Sun May-04-08 10:48 PM
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5. I know what you mean ... |
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Saw a clip of her "will work my heart out for Obama if he's the nominee" statement the other night, watched her body language and her facial expressions. Said to my husband, "She has finally accepted that she's lost."
Rumour has it the SDs have made their votes known to both campaigns; this could be the result of exactly that having taken place.
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Sun May-04-08 10:50 PM
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7. Something is going on... |
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Sun May-04-08 10:58 PM
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17. Hmmm....I hope you're right, kentuck |
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Mon May-05-08 06:33 AM
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46. i'm suspicious, she usually has that tone right before she's about to pounce. don't trust her. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:07 PM
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A few posters here commented on this today - mentioned that "In it to win!" has been dropped from the repertoire, along with a few other phrases that have been mainstays in her stump speeches.
I think it's finally over - and if she does campaign for Obama, it will go a long way in not only healing the present divide, but undoing some of the incredible damage she's done to her own career.
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Sun May-04-08 11:10 PM
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25. She finally sees the "possibility" of losing. |
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If she loses Indiana in a squeaker and North Carolina in a blowout, she knows that is the end of the road. She has been one helluva fighter!
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Sun May-04-08 11:13 PM
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29. "the incredible damage she's done to her own career" Yes, how DARE she damage her career by running |
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for President?!?!
How dare she "damage her career" by beating the pants off a man in every large state?
You, Nance, have a VERY strange view of women and careers. Truly Donna Reed time. Back to the 50's with you.
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Sun May-04-08 11:26 PM
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37. The damage was not in the running ... |
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... the damage was in using kitchen sink politics, lying about sniper-fire, telling voters that McCain was a better bet for the presidency than a fellow Democrat, dismissing Obama's career as "a single speech he made in 2002" - the list goes on.
I came into this primary process as a long-time admirer of Hillary's, and although I supported Obama from the start, I was confident she was going to go all the way. And I certainly didn't lose any sleep over that probability.
The damage that's been done she has done to herself. This was hers to lose, and she lost it - and it wasn't sexism, or the big bad media, or any other external force you might want to blame. It was her own statements that did her in.
And the fact that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was about her being female says more about you than it does me.
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Sun May-04-08 11:32 PM
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38. She has hurt her political career by being negative and divisive |
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Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:33 PM by merh
by breaking the rules and by politicing without care for the party and the wins needed in November. It's not just about the presidency, it is about dems winning the presidency and maintaining control in congress so that the needed improvements in our government for our nation can be had.
IMHO, it has been women like hillary that have been the stumbling blocks for women in the professional world, their demeanor and their nasty back stabbing ways have made it harder for other woman who come up the ladder to be seen as equals. Yes, you can be a professional without being vicious and negative. If you would like a list of women who have done that I'll be happy to compile it for you.
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Sun May-04-08 11:08 PM
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23. Wow! You can mind read now, too? You actually believe that Clinton has "accepted that she's lost"? |
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Your talents are amazing!
You are going to be a fun one to watch on Tuesday night.
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Sun May-04-08 11:13 PM
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the possibility is there that she might lose both IN and NC? If that happens, she is no dummy.
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Sun May-04-08 11:38 PM
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39. You know, everytime I post in a thread where you get involved ... |
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... I have this horrible feeling that I'm at a wedding, and have been mistakenly seated at the kiddie table. If you want to be part of the adult conversation, could you fake acting like one - it would be a refreshing change.
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Mon May-05-08 06:49 AM
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48. You understand that this sort of argumentation wins neither the argument nor friends, right? (NT) |
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Sun May-04-08 10:51 PM
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8. yeah, that's definitely something to watch out for. |
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Sun May-04-08 10:57 PM
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13. Shame on you, ignac70 |
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Sun May-04-08 10:58 PM
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that's the kinda stuff I'm talkin' about.
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Sun May-04-08 11:07 PM
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22. That came two days after "I am honored, absolutely honored |
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to be here with Barack Obama."
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Sun May-04-08 11:12 PM
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26. I remember all to well... |
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that's when I realized that Hillary Clinton was only still in the race to be a stalking horse for John McCain.
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Mon May-05-08 07:31 AM
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50. Health care reform is too important |
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to allow another candidate to spin and distort the debate. Glad she called Obama out on his dishonesty.
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Sun May-04-08 11:12 PM
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27. Yeah, I'm not buyin' for a New York |
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second..prove me wrong, hilary. You don't get months and months of her traitorous crap and think she's concilitory from one JJ speech.
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Sun May-04-08 11:14 PM
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31. Now isn't that nice. A woman calling |
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Sun May-04-08 10:53 PM
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9. I Think If They Can Come To A Private Accord, Great |
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Whatever happens, one is going to need the other in some capacity for the GE and beyond. The party needs all of its talent to pull together at some point.
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Sun May-04-08 10:55 PM
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11. I didn't see it, but if HRC seemed subdued... maybe it's due to embarrassment |
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I don't believe Hillary was always this way... and the Gas Tax idea and "f*ck the economists" spiel just seems to represent rock bottom for her, IMO.
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Sun May-04-08 10:58 PM
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14. Im thinking you nailed it. |
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You expressed my thoughts exactly, whether the real case or not...
I was really proud of both of them tonight. In fact, I have seen them both in a better light this week, with speeches and rallies, than I have in a while.
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Sun May-04-08 10:58 PM
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16. Yes..I'm just sure that Obama talked her into quitting so he could have his delayed coronation. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:01 PM
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18. I'm not sure it was Obama that talked her into it... |
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I think it may be the voters. Did you not see a different tone in her speech tonight??
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Sun May-04-08 11:06 PM
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19. Snarf! She is focused on specific ideas as opposed to Hope! Change! and free unicorns for everyone! |
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Sun May-04-08 11:07 PM
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21. It's good that someone has a grasp on reality. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:10 PM
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24. I dunno...Hillary lost her voice earlier today; could explain the low-key tone n/t |
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Sun May-04-08 11:16 PM
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32. They both must be very tired, too. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:23 PM
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34. That's mighty careless of her - |
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she only found it in NH - after 35 years in politics.
To lose it again, so soon...
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Sun May-04-08 11:12 PM
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28. I hope you're right, but I am very cynical about Hillary Clinton. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:19 PM
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33. We must realize that the circumstances change with each primary... |
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The mountain gets much steeper. Hillary is a realist. Bill is the dreamer.
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Sun May-04-08 11:24 PM
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35. Both looked a bit tired. I justcannot believe they have been campaigning for a year and half now. nm |
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Sun May-04-08 11:25 PM
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36. She may be realizing that Wright did not have a devastating impact. nm |
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Sun May-04-08 11:40 PM
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40. well,don't pop those corks! |
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The Obama cult is still steadily fizzling out! It lost it's funk! I mean common now Tom Hanks! It's time for Obama to pack it in!Too much of Wright's sniper fire no doubt.
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Sun May-04-08 11:52 PM
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42. You've already popped yours. |
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Sun May-04-08 11:49 PM
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41. I noticed it too. Her tone was definitely different. |
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Mon May-05-08 12:01 AM
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43. Were her lips moving !if so, don't trust her nt |
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Mon May-05-08 12:05 AM
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44. Haven't had a chance to catch the speeches yet |
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but from the snippets on AP-News, they're focusing on her 'we will come together ...' excerpt and definitely there is a change of tone. Resignation perhaps. Someone's had a chat with her. The recent Wright furore was the last hoorah I'm picking, and since Obama's numbers appear to be on the bounce back, I'd say its nearly all over bar the shouting. All that notwithstanding, Tuesday is of course critical - best of luck to the Clinton supporters, I'm sure we'll all be feeling nervous between now and then.
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Mon May-05-08 12:50 AM
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45. it could be that the only way she'll get superdel. support is by acting nice. nt |
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Mon May-05-08 06:33 AM
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47. Maybe Howard pulled her aside prior to the speech and told |
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her "It's OVER Hill! Go out gracefully!" Perhaps that is why they changed the speech order! LOL LOL LOL LOL I'm JUST JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, Hillary is doing one of her acting jobs! She's trying out "nice" Hillary since her negatives went down (down for her...lol)in the latest CBS poll. It is all strategy! As the person above said, "If her mouth is moving, don't believe a word she says."
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Mon May-05-08 07:26 AM
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49. I missed it, but she has been saying that she is in it until the end, which means to me |
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the end of the convention.
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