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Wed May-07-08 02:11 PM
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WHO, exactly, at this point, is THE FIGHTER actually fighting for? |
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It's obvious she's a fighter.
She fought against the republicans and Bush, except on big issues like
the Iraq War Resolution off-shore drilling cluster-bombs for kids Kyl-Lieberman telecom immunity
She's a fighter, sure, for the votes of everyone, except for people in
red states states with large African American populations caucus states small blue states swing states she lost medium sized blue states she lost FL and MICH, until after she needed their votes big states she lost
She fights, because all votes are important to her
as long as they are white votes that can make a show of it that she's electable or as long as those votes are from superdelegates to overturn the will of Democratic voters
She fights for the sake of the Party, unless we mean
Party unity the next generation of Democrats expanding the Democratic base downticket Democrats
She fights against the architects of the Republican hate media, except for
Scaife Limbaugh Drudge Murdoch
She fights for the good of regular people, except for
what her gas tax holiday actually would do to them that she's beholding to special interests and PACs that she thinks lobbyists represent regular people that she said "screw 'em"
She fights to be a role model for young women, except when she
lies about Bosnia and tells tall tales about her foreign policy "achievements" co-opts many of the the worst stereotypically male traits
She fights for her principles, which is why
she shook MLK's hand and then became a Goldwater Girl she voted against ethics reform she used robocalls and push polls she prayed on voter fears with smear ads she changed her stance on the war in Iraq after she began her campaign she thinks a right-wing flip-flopping war hawk with no new ideas is qualified to be president she did nothing when her husband said the African-American candidate running against her would brag next that "he doesn't steal cars."
She's fighting for you, which is why she needs you to
pay off her campaign debt pretend she's been vetted recently believe Reverend Wright still matters pretend she's a viable candidate despite less votes, delegates, states won, donors, volunteers, and no resources believe its more important to act like republicans to overturn a Democratic election instead of acting like Democrats to nominate the candidate who the people have backed to win against republicans in the general election
Who, exactly, is the fighter fighting for now?
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Wed May-07-08 02:13 PM
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1. A fighter would have thrown in the towel. |
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It takes a backbone to admit when you're defeated.
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Wed May-07-08 02:13 PM
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2. She's fighting for the half of the party |
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that supports her.
You guys act like she's a pariah among Democrats - well, she's about as popular as your guy. More so, according to some polls.
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Wed May-07-08 02:19 PM
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3. and that's why I'm fighting back. She can't win by any ethical stretch. |
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If the shoe were on the other foot, you'd be calling him an egomaniac and selfish and calculating. Well, there's actually a record of her actions that demonstrate her self-interest. She can fight on, but she doesn't get a pass.
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Wed May-07-08 02:20 PM
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4. You can have the Polls |
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Wed May-07-08 02:26 PM
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5. ...and he's got the delegates, cash, states, and so on and so on and so on. |
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Wed May-07-08 02:28 PM
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6. By either votes or polls |
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she's about as popular in the party as Obama, so it's silly for you guys to keep acting like she's not.
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Wed May-07-08 02:32 PM
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Except for the votes.
Otherwise, right on the money!
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Wed May-07-08 02:33 PM
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Wed May-07-08 02:36 PM
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16. "in the party" you do realize independents and their so-called votes determine the outcome of a GE? |
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Wed May-07-08 02:42 PM
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18. and in polls among the electorate |
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she does as well as or better than obama.
Clinton is as popular as Obama, despite the impression you'd get from reading this board.
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Wed May-07-08 02:49 PM
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22. And her dishonesty numbers? Care to compare those |
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Wed May-07-08 02:29 PM
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7. 16 million Americans voted for her |
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that's who she's fighting for.
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Wed May-07-08 02:34 PM
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15. Many of whom are from earlier voting primaries wish they could take it back after kitchen sink |
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Thu May-08-08 11:40 AM
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30. if they'd only known what she'd SINK to |
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Wed May-07-08 02:29 PM
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8. She's a fighter all right. A Whites Only fighter who's set on killing 70 million people... |
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Too tough for me. But DAMN she convinced me how tough she is.
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Wed May-07-08 02:30 PM
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the only person she really cares about.
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Wed May-07-08 02:32 PM
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12. You beat me to it. nt |
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Wed May-07-08 02:38 PM
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17. The Clinton brand . . . |
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Say anything, win at all costs. Loyalty over competence. Sound familiar?
The good news is that brand of politics is soooo last century.
The good news for us in the "ABC" crowd is that unless she exits this race gracefully, she will so have damaged the Clinton brand and her political future, we will never have to deal with her again . . . unless we are unfortunate enough to serve on the Walmart or other corporate board with her.
You can fool all of the people some of the time and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. It finally bit Hillary!
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Wed May-07-08 02:49 PM
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23. I don't know. I imagine she'll have a senate seat as long as she wants. |
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Unless her donors are majorly pissed.
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Wed May-07-08 02:32 PM
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11. To repay her 12 million or to damage Obama so bad she gets the VP spot |
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or maybe to run against Obama in WV and K so he doesn't lose against someone not running.
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Wed May-07-08 02:33 PM
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13. underinformed lowerclass whites who only pay attention every fourth year? |
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Wed May-07-08 02:45 PM
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19. the ignorance in your post is staggering (eom) |
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Wed May-07-08 02:51 PM
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24. Beyond staggering... typical tho.. nt |
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Wed May-07-08 02:59 PM
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29. I would say the ignorance of the Hillary supporters quoted below is staggering |
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With Clinton posing alongside pioneering Indy speedster Sarah Fisher, there were almost no African-Americans to be seen. Many in the white, working-class crowd were simply not ready to back Barack Obama - for reasons that are disturbing.
"I'm kind of still up in the air between McCain and Hillary," said Jason Jenkins, 32, who cited information from a hoax e-mail as a reason to spurn Obama.
"I'll be honest with you. Barack scares the hell out of me,"he said. "He swore on the Koran."
Obama did manage to pull in many white voters, but still encountered similar sentiments from a man who refused to shake his hand at a diner in Greenwood, Ind.
"I can't stand him," the man said. "He's a Muslim. He's not even pro-American as far as I'm concerned."
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Wed May-07-08 02:46 PM
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20. The Clinton's, like the Bush's, think they are supposed to be ascended to the Presidency! |
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Wed May-07-08 02:49 PM
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21. Dick, George and Halliburton |
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who else? She's been pulling for them all along, and they've been pulling for her.
:mad:
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Wed May-07-08 02:53 PM
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25. How come she gets praised for being a fighter, but when ordinary DUers go around treating people... |
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like shit, other people get their feathers ruffled and don't admire our feistiness?
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Wed May-07-08 02:54 PM
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26. The survival of the DLC |
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And it does not deserve to survive. THAT's what pisses me off. It's not Hillary. It's this fucking goddamned anti-Democratic, anti-middle class, treasonous foreign policy based on whatever AIPAC or the oil companies want, corporatist CANCER which has infected the Democratic party for a quarter century.
We have a genuine opportunity to rid ourselves of these frauds. And that's more important than holding on to the Clinton Myth.
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Wed May-07-08 02:55 PM
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27. It's always been about her |
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I have to believe that.
At this point in the game it has to be clear to anyone that her number 1 interest is herself---winning the Presidency. She felt it was due her and to hell with anyone who gets in her way now. She probably should have run four years ago but she didn't see Obama coming.
Now it's just tantrum and denial time.
Anyone voting for her at this stage must know she doesn't care about the party or her country or voters. It's all about her.
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