If Obama loses to McCain, this is the painfully bitter topic

[cboy4]

his supporters will be forced to address in November:

Despite our dislike/hate of Hillary Clinton, we should have done far more to recruit her supporters to help him win.

And who is to blame?

[lligrd]

1. She Couldn't Even Win The Primary

How the hell can you even suggest she could win the GE? How's life in that fantasy world you inhabit?

[cboy4]

5. Reading comprehension 101 calling lligrd

lol

In what fantasy world do you see me suggesting she could win the GE in my OP?

[lligrd]

8. WTF? You Wanted Us To Pick Hillary

so she could lose the GE?

[cboy4]

12. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed...are you lligrd?

You should PM one of your fellow Obama fans to help you.

[lligrd]

22. This Coming From Someone Who Supports Hillary And

the IWR and obliterating Iran? Whatever. At least I know I'm not the dullest. You are obviously vying for that place and the other contenders are lying under granite.

[Marrah_G]

66. Try rereading his post- you read it incorrectly.

[datopbanana]

54. IF YOU VOTE BASED ON INTERNET-IDIOTS.........ITS YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A MORON

quit whining

[cboy4]

61. I don't vote bases on the internet (DU).....I'm talking about those

who might.

And if I am whining, it's because I want to make sure a Democrat is in the White House -- even if it's that crappy Obama.

[Hutzpa]

92. Crapy Obama????

I'm sure you can do better than that...... bet he is not as crappy as YOUR candidate
though, they have already won that title.

That is a defeat I'm sure all of us Obama supporter can accept.

[dionysus]

103. lol, more smug bullshit shillbot...

did you write the OP all by yourself or did the folks at capital hill write it for you?

:rofl:

[emilyg]

102. Went right over your head - didn't it?

[democracy1st]

2. he hasn't even got the nomination yet, what are you talking about

there's quite a bit of work before the convention and you speak as if the Clinton Campaign and supporters have been angels.

[cboy4]

36. He hasn't even gotten the nomination yet?!?!

:wow: !!11!1

One would have thought he was sworn in Tuesday night by the behavior of many in his audience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. It is May,,, by the time November comes around

most folks will cast their votes....

Once a candidate is decided the rest line up and do their jobs, even if you need to pinch nose to do it

[Usrename]

4. How much more can be done?

Other than trying to talk rationally to them, what else is there?

[cboy4]

6. Actually, I think you have the right idea Usrename......I'm

referring to the people who think he can without reaching out.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. Stop attacking them

stop treating them like mental deficients and moral degenerates because they have a different preference than you. Stop lying about Clinton. Stop demanding ridiculous things like she be kicked out of the party or removed from the Senate. Treat her and her supporters like what they are: good democrats.

[lligrd]

11. Stop Lying About Us Lying About Clinton

Name one lie I ever told about her.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. I don't follow your posts

I'm talking about your side, especially here. Lies are told about Clinton every hour. If there isn't something to immediately lie about, they make up a scenario to lie about.

[lligrd]

19. Oh Yeah, Those Imaginary Lies That You Can Never Name

And your side never tells lies about Obama! And you don't follow my posts but you often remark on them.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. What do you mean I can never name them?

I name them here all the time.

Just today people said that Clinton's $10 million fundraising day included her $5 million loan. That was a lie. People claim she'll run as an independent. That she's trying to destroy Obama so she can run in 2012. Lies. In this very thread it's asserted that she wants to obliterate Iran. A lie. People have said she campaigned in Florida, or that her fundraiser there violated the pledge. A lie. People say the pledge required candidates to remove their names from the MI ballot - lie. People have said repeatedly that Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh's show - a lie. People accused the Clinton campaign of being behind the doctored Kantor video - another lie.

Those are just lies I addressed this week.

[lligrd]

44. Conjecture (mainly on your part) and Opinions, Not Lies

Just today people said that Clinton's $10 million fund raising day included her $5 million loan.

Why, because it was 6.5 million instead? Note, that is a question, not an accusation.

Bill's taped interview was aired on the Limbaugh show as he knew it would be. Hillary did claim we could obliterate (extremely poor choice of words) Iran and implied she would given the slightest provocation. She was in Florida raising money before the primary. She claimed (don't know if she swore, so I wouldn't call it a pledge) to take her name off along with the rest and she failed to do so in Michigan. People suggested Clinton MIGHT be behind the Cantor video.

[hokies4ever]

47. SLAMMED!

Haha you got called out! Now quit crying and stick a pacifier in it. Your mom signed the DU permission slip, so walk it off.

[donheld]

13. Cboy does exactly what you are

accusing Obama people of doing constantly.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Well if Cboy needed to court your vote

wouldn't you suggest he do something different?

[lligrd]

25. If You Wanted To Be Courted Wouldn't You Act Less Ugly?

Just a suggestion.

[donheld]

30. No it's only us Obama people that are bad

Hillary people are angels :eyes:

[lligrd]

33. Yep, We Are A Cult

and they are the failed cultbusters. :headbang:

[MonkeyFunk]

35. LOL

I don't want to be courted. You think I'm obligated to YOU because you want my support? How stupid.

[donheld]

37. You just did what you said others should not do

Why?

[lligrd]

39. I Don't Want Your Support At All

I want you to vote your conscience. If that is McCain, fine. Just don't expect my sympathy when you start whining about th country going down the drain.

In fact, after witnessing your behavior during this primary, if it were up to me, you wouldn't be allowed to call yourself a progressive. Nope, I don't want your support at all.

[cboy4]

41. I think we all sleep more soundly knowing things are in

fact, NOT up to you.

No offense, of course.

[donheld]

43. or you

[lligrd]

46. Too Bad For You

Cause if it were up to me you would have your rights.

[intaglio]

9. Certain Clinton supporters have been complaining

About Obama supporters "playing nice" now you are saying they are too nasty

What you are saying sounds like "buyers regret" and you are blaming those who chose the better "product" for your failure.

[donheld]

10. If the Hillary people refuse to vote for the nominee

It's because they did not value the stakes that are obvious in this election. It will not be because we Obama people did not kiss enough ass to appease the hurt feelings. Do these with hurt feelings want more war, an even more right wing supreme court, not to mention the other courts? Do they want the economy to sink on into a very clear deep depression or do they want someone who will help solve economic problems? They need to start really evaluating what has to be accomplished in this election and stop moping about their hurt feelings.

[cboy4]

17. Hey, if you people think you're the winners -- especially

after your vicious mob mentality at DU where Hillary Clinton supporters are heavly outnumbered -- I'm more than certain you're the ones who need to concentrate on damage control.

Not vice versa.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

20. Here are the consequences of witholding your vote. It really is your decision.

From fellow DUer, nichomachus Wed May-07-08 12:14 PM http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3255857
Original message
Hate Roe v. Wade? Disgusted by Social Security? Don't want Medicare? Cool

all you have to do is:

1. Hold your breath until you turn blue on election day
2. Don't support the Democratic nominee
3. Don't work to see that we get a Democrat -- any Democrat -- into the White House
4. Hang on to all your money and don't donate
5. Trash the nominee as much as you can
6. Take the "Well, let's just see how "electable" he/she is without me" attitude
7. Don't convince everyone you know that the fascists coup is almost complete.

If a Republican takes the White House in November, you can say goodbye to:

o Roe v. Wade
o Voting rights
o Social Security
o Medicare
o Medicaid
o Welfare
o Gay rights
o Unemployment insurance
o Environmental protections
o Worker safety
o Worker rights
o Minimum wage
o Unions
o Quality public education
o Community colleges
o What's left of the Constitution
o National parks
o Water (they are working hard to privatize all water supplies and delivery, so you will have to pay through the nose)
o Religious freedom -- more importantly, the right not to be religious
o Veterans benefits
o Privacy
o The right to seek redress through the courts
o and others too numerous to mention

[donheld]

23. BushDespiser12, Please Start a thread with this post

It needs to be seen far and wide.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

32. Done.

And I am off to bed. G'nite!

[donheld]

21. So you think cutting your noses off to spite your faces is a good idea?

[lligrd]

28. Hillary Voters Seem To Be Outnumbered Nationwide

which is why she is losing. Can't blame DU for that.

[TheDonkey]

16. Stuff like this should not be allowed on DU. Completely irrelevant crap

with no grounding in reality or principle.

[cboy4]

27. One of the more hypocritical and ironic posts I've seen

from your side today -- especially the usage of the word "crap." haha

Now then, how about articulating why my OP is wrong.

I know you don't like hearing it, but you need to begin planning if Obama turns out to be the nominee.

[Lord Helmet]

18. would you like a back rub?

get over yourself

[donheld]

24. Rub his back with this

:spank:

[Political Heretic]

26. I won't be held hostage by a bunch of bitter supporters

I welcome everyone to join in supporting the democratic nominee for president. But if someone isn't going to choose to do that, then that is there choice. And all their rationalizations and excuses for not doing so don't mean anything to me. They are responsible for their choice to help put a madman in the white house. They are grown ups.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. cboy4, nobody is going to vote based on what supporters on a message board say

In real life, Obama and his supporters haven't acted in a manner that should make Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain. I realize that they like Clinton better than Obama and I respect that. But Obama is abundantly better than McCain on the issues and I firmly believe that Clinton supporters will see that.

[cboy4]

38. Well, some people absolutely are going to vote based

on what supporters on a message board say, hippo_Tron.

I'm not, but some are.

Thus my OP.

[donheld]

40. Only fools

[Hippo_Tron]

45. Not nearly enough to tip the election to McCain

I honestly don't think that if Obama loses to McCain, his DU supporters will be thinking "Damn, I should've been nicer to Clinton supporters on DU."

That said, if Clinton supporters do have genuine concerns with Obama the candidate (not his DU supporters) I want to hear them and try to address them if I can.

But I can't control some of Obama's more obnoxious supporters here and get them to stop acting like assholes. Fortunately, I believe that only very few Clinton supporters will actually not vote for Obama based on what they read from his DU supporters.

[cboy4]

49. Yea, we pretty much agree HT -- you're smart.

I'm mostly referring to the "others" .. some who've embarrassed themselves in this thread and reinforced why I wrote what I did.

[Demit]

31. "Who is to blame?" Simple. Voters who say they're Democrats but didn't vote for the Democrat.

With such monumentally important issues facing this country, and they'd rather see a Democrat defeated because of hurt feelings? Why would a Democrat need to be "recruited" in these times?

I'd like to hear these Democrats on November 5 try to explain their reasons for contributing to a Democratic defeat without sounding petty. Now that would be painful.

[Political Heretic]

42. This thread is for you.

:hi:

[Kahuna]

48. Sigh. The blogosphere, who seem to want to be sucked up to after

months of their devisive and hateful actions, are not even a speck compared to the general election voters who do not care about our online antics.

[melody]

50. I should think it would be painfully obvious that NOT voting for a Democrat gets us hell

If they didn't learn that from 2000 and 2004, the person we're seeking to inform is unteachable.

[bowens43]

51. Nonsense. They make up their own minds.

They know as much about Obama as any of us. If they can't a find a reason to vote for him, fuck them.

[cboy4]

52. ..............

:spray:

[ingac70]

53. Hillary supporters for falling for the Southern Strategy. n/t

[dkf]

55. I've been through this before...

In '04 I swore I wouldn't vote for Kerry, but I did, and not because Kerry supporters won me over.

In the end, we all have to do our civic duty. And if you go to vote and truly believe in your heart that John McCain will be a better President than Barack Obama, then you need to vote for him.

But you all sound like babies wanting to be pampered and stroked. Its kind of revolting.

[Warren Stupidity]

56. warped logic there cowboy

if you can't get your bitter ass out of the hole you have crawled into to vote the reknucklians out of office because your candidate lost in the primaries and the people you were so busy insulting on the internets didn't kiss your ass sufficiently while you were insulting them, that is not our fault. Grow the fuck up. Your candidate lost. My candidate lost months ago. I got over it and moved on to my next best choice on my list of Democratic candidates for president. You see, in the end, I am a Democratic Party voter. I always get my sorry ass up and out to the polls and vote against the fascist theocratic corrupt thugs running for office on the other ticket.

[cboy4]

59. WTF are you talking about??.....I've been consistent since

day one that I plan on supporting the Democratic nominee.

Jesus.

I'm talking about other Democrats who say they will not support the nominee if it's Obama.

And I don't give a fuck about what you do ,, especially since it's hardly a difficult decision to vote for your candidiate in the GE.

You're one to talk about insults. Cowboy.

[NJmaverick]

57. It's not Obama supporters job to defeat McCain, it's every Democrats

It's everyone's party and it's all our responsibility to defeat McCain

[cboy4]

63. Due to the fact Obama will need every single last vote

to defeat McCain, why would it kill you guys to reach out?

Reach out versus potentially lost to McCain.

Hardly seems like a decision.

[NJmaverick]

71. Frankly if there are that many democrats that don't care about our Country

We are all in big trouble. The Repukes will ralley around McCain, you can count on that. If Obama can't even count on the support of his own party, our Country is pretty muched doomed. A third term of George Bush (only older and crankier) will destroy what is left of our nation.

[democrattotheend]

58. Some of us are trying

There are quite a few of us who have urged other Obama supporters to be gracious and have expressed sympathy since Tuesday night. I am sorry that some of my fellow Obama supporters are assholes, but I hope that people on a message board will not influence your decision about whether or not to vote for Obama or be involved with his campaign. I have volunteered for Obama in 3 different states at 7 different offices and I can tell you that the people I have met on the campaign are great. Volunteering for Obama has been a really rewarding experience, especially doing mobilization or GOTV in black neighborhoods and seeing how excited they are about his candidacy. I've volunteered on other campaigns before but none have been as rewarding or exciting as this one.

So I encourage you to come on board when you are ready, but I understand if you are not ready to turn around and get involved right away. I was a Deaniac in 2004, and it took me a while before I was willing to volunteer for Kerry.

This Saturday, the Obama campaign is kicking off a national 50-state voter registration drive, which is something I encourage everyone to get involved with, since it's a project that will benefit the eventual nominee no matter who it is, as well as down-ballot candidates.

[cboy4]

62. Yea, I know.......you're trying, and it does not go unnoticed ,,

at least on my end. :)

[mdmc]

60. Hillary

But if the dems can't win this year (due to the Clinton's kneecap attacks on Obama or for any other reason, then 'down the hatch'!

[Mass]

64. I do not believe for one minute you believe that.

If you do, you have a real issue in your priorities. Getting even with some Obama's supporters by helping McCain being elected (whether it is by not voting or voting for him or somebody else than Obama).

If you really want to do that, the only person with a problem is YOU. But, once again, I do not believe that of you. I hope I am right.

And I have the same thing to say to any Democrat who would do the same thing. Sorry, if your priorities are wrong, it is NOT my fault. I would have voted for Hillary despite her throwing the kitchen sink at Obama and his supporters. It should not even be a question.

[Marrah_G]

65. If he loses if will be no ones fault but our own and our party's

We wanted a fighter- People bitched about Kerry not fighting hard enough. People (imho mistakenly) said Gore didn't fight hard enough. But when a real fighter comes along, people whine that she is a big meanie and should just give up without a fight.

I personally think Obama is going to lose in Nov. I don't want him to, but I think he is going to get rolled by the RW machine.

If he DOES get the win in Nov then I think we will see a repeat of 2006. He won't live up to everyone's individual expectations, people will realize you can't eat slogans, and in the end DU will turn on him just as they have turned on the Dems in Congress within a month or so of taking office in 2007.

Just my opinion. I hope I am wrong. I want my children to grow up in a country they can be proud of and to raise their families in a society that values others.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

95. But he just beat your fighter.

Saying you're a fighter doesn't make you a (good) fighter.

I would be shocked if Obama doesn't beat McCuckoo quite handily.

Contrary to DU spin, Obama supporters aren't expecting miracles. We just want to start moving the pendulum back towards the left. Obama is just the first step of many. Note: Hillary would have accomplished this, too.

Politicians don't create a society that values others, people do.

[Marrah_G]

99. Yes he is a fighter also.

Yes, he probably has the nomination. I know I feel a little better about him knowing he didn't fold in a tough fight, how about you?

[LucyParsons]

67. If Obama loses to McCain

51% or more of Americans are idiots.

That's the only conclusion I can come to anymore.

[cboy4]

82. Yea, well look what happened in 2004 when people

voted for the war monger.

[Vinca]

68. I like to think Democrats are smarter than Republicans as a whole,

but if you think, as a Clinton supporter, sitting out November or voting for McCain is wise, I'm going to rethink that notion. It might not matter to you, personally, but someone's 13 year old daughter might be better off with an abortion she won't be able to get if McCain is elected. The rolls of the uninsured will probably quadruple or more with McCain's healthcare "plan" (end employer-sponsored insurance, give you $5,000 toward a $12,000 policy). The war, of course, will continue and if he goes after Iran we will need more troops. Be prepared for a draft. I know Clinton supporters are feeling bad right now, but if McCain is elected you'll feel a whole lot worse. This country cannot take another Republican regime. Seriously. We're at a tipping point. As an Obama supporter, I was ready - and am still ready - to suck it up and pull the lever for Clinton, a candidate I cannot stand. Some things are more important than my little world.

[cboy4]

84. Hey Vinca.....we all know that the final primary state

is next month. A date has been set.

Can we expect you to stop lying about me by then?

Shame on you for sounding like a lying Republican. :thumbsdown:

[Vinca]

100. How am I lying about you? And why would you call me a

lying Republican? Maybe you're the one who's lost his way back to the Free Republic. Of all the posters on DU, you've got to be in the top 10 of the really nasty ones. Never mind responding. I'm putting you on ignore. You're not worth listening to.

[merh]

69. I'd blame folks like you

who spend their time bashing Obama supporters and make no effort to hold Hillary or her supporters responsible for the treatment they perceive they are receiving.

You have claimed a neutrality but you aren't neutral.

If you were, you would be honest about the hillary failures and the negatives her supporters are responsible for.

You would be posting about unity and putting the negatives behind us, you wouldn't be focusing on the divide and blaming one side for it while ignoring the other side.

[Marrah_G]

72. Fail- sorry if he loses it is not Hillary supporters fault

It will be the fault of the party leaders for either not giving him the necessary support.

OR

Obama's fault for not fighting hard enough

OR

Obama not being able to convince enough people that he is the best man for the job.

OR

The Dem party's fault for choosing the wrong candidate.

OR

The American people once again falling for the lies the RW tells them, while it fills them with fear and doubt.


__________________________________


It will not be Hillary supporters fault, no matter how hard you try and make it out to be.

[merh]

73. Address the OP

I did - Hillary supporters who think they need to be courted and won over are why their campaign is faltering, the selfish, "it's about us" and not "it's about the nation - keeping a repub out of the white house" - if Hillary supporters won't support the dem nominee it is because of their failures as dems and citizens, it will have nothing to do with anything you listed.

[Marrah_G]

74. I was addressing your post.

[merh]

80. You did not address my post

If you had, you would have addressed the OP as that is what it was in response to.

Try to stay focused on the issues and not on attacking others. The gotcha games and the faulty others is just tiresome and not really constructive.

[Marrah_G]

I addressed your post- just not in the manner you wanted me to.

I have stated my opinion and have not attacked you.

[merh]

93. To use your term "FAIL"

As lame as it is to post that in response to another's post, your post mandates its use.

The OP was:

cboy4
Thu May-08-08 03:37 AM
Original message

If Obama loses to McCain, this is the painfully bitter topic

his supporters will be forced to address in November:

Despite our dislike/hate of Hillary Clinton, we should have done far more to recruit her supporters to help him win.

And who is to blame?

So you may want to lecture the OP and not me. you may even try to consider addressing the truths in my response. It isn't the obama supporters place to make the hillary folks feel all better, it's not about them, it is about what is needed for our nation and McCain isn't what is needed. Grow up, take your heart from your shirt sleeve and move on - support the democratic party member and stop expecting folks to make you feel all better.

[Marrah_G]

96. I used FAIL in response to your blaming the Cboy.

You are the one with the personal attacks. I have tried to keep this civil.

Done trying. Have a nice life.

[merh]

97. LOL - when your posts have been proven to be misdirected and

full of flaws, you try to turn them - interesting - seems you would rather go at me than address the issues.

It is cboy that is attacking others, as he has been prone to do in this forum. All obama supporters are wrong and mean and at fault, the poor hillary victims need to be understood and cuddled and made to feel good.

LOL - maybe their lack of maturity is why the campaign has failed, that sense of entitlement co-mingled with victimhood, what the world owes them.

[underpants]

70. Who says that they won't?

Why wouldn't they?

does SHE have her own party?

[purji]

75. give me your address and I'll send flowers.

candy too.
If that doesn't work tell me what will?

[MoonRiver]

76. Obots keep declaring that we will all just "get in line" next November!

Guess they haven't noticed that, unlike them, Hillary fans are not robotic wind up toys. Many exploding heads are going to be seen in Obot land come November 5th. :D

[purji]

79. i'm sure president mcCain will thank you.n/t

[purji]

77. What if i send you flowers and candy?

[cboy4]

90. I'm on record dating back to the winter that I'm voting

for the Democratic nominee.

Why would you need to send me flowers and candy?

It's a nice gesture, but I suggest sending it to people who are saying they would rather get hit by a bus than vote for Obama.

[LoZoccolo]

78. Hillary alienated Obama's supporters far more than Obama did to Hillary.

So that whole point is moot.

[cboy4]

81. Uh-huh, that's what they said about WMD's

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

94. Is this a planted question from a script like Hillary answers at her rallies? n/t

[RichardRay]

83. If Senator Clinton asks you to vote for Senator Obama....

will you do so? If she stands up and says that doing that is the right thing to do, to beat McCain and start the country in a better direction, will you do so?

I don't do blame. I'm on record as being 100% ready to support Senator Clinton without even having Senator Obama ask me to do so.

What's your choice?

[cboy4]

87. I'm on record as saying I plan on voting for the

Democratic nominee.

[RichardRay]

98. Cool.

McCain is toast.

[Colobo]

85. Cboy, let's unite. Enough with the divisions.

[Mezzo]

86. They'll blame Hillary. They have already started in the event he loses this fall.

[Evergreen Emerald]

88. Since 1990, it has always been CLINTON'S FAULT Bill/Hillary

take your pick. Those who hate will find ways to blame her.

[Onlooker]

89. Obama will do all he can; the idiots among his supporters won't matter

Those petty, vindictive, sexist, hero worshipers among Obama's supporters are few in number, though they are very outspoken here. The majority of Obama supporters know Clinton supporters and respect Clinton. We have been doing all we can to woo them, not alienate them. Obama will have to write off his testosterone-riven supporters to some extent, so that he can promote hope, unity, and change to a larger electorate. I predict many of the worst Obama supporters will disappear from DU in the months to come or will change their tune completely.

Those mean-spirited Obama supported are ludicrous, to be so full of hate in a campaign that promotes an end to divisiveness, hope, and change. They have issues.

[Bensthename]

91. LOL, DU Obama supporters will cause McCain to win in Nov..

You sure put DU on a high pedistal.. DU members account for maybe .0001% of the total vote.

[Sundoggy]

101. I have not much interest

in convincing Democrats to be Democrats. If this is a wake up call for some of them that, in their heart of hearts, they were truly Republicans after all, then so be it, and don't let the door hit them on their expanding butts.

[Forkboy]

104. Babies who need their hand held and ego stroked to do the right thing need to look in a mirrior.