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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:09 PM
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Why do Hillary supporters want her to stay in this race so much?
She is becoming an absolute embarrassment at this point. To top it off, she has absolutely NO realistic chance of being nominated. NONE! It's all just a sick joke right now, and she is bringing shame to herself and everyone who supports her. If you really cared about Hillary most of all, you'd encourage her to save a little face and drop out with grace. It's only going to get MUCH uglier for her from here.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:11 PM
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1. Because they think she's the better of the two candidates?
I dunno, I'm just woolgathering.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:27 PM
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28. that could be it... no, no, actually, i think that is the reason. good one!
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:57 PM
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40. Yea, verily
And I want every one to have a primary vote.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:34 PM
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34. That's me.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:11 PM
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2. Why do Obama supporters want her to drop out?
Seems to me if you were so very sure of your candidate, Clinton's staying in would be a moot point for you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:12 PM
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4. If she were running a different kind of campaign, it would be.
:shrug:

Who is pushing her to play to the gutter? Whoever it is, I'd like to beat them up and I'm a pacifist.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:16 PM
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13. If you feel that way
It's all the more reason to ignore her.

Both candidates should be focused on battling McCain, not each other.

Have you noticed how Obama complains about negative campaigning, yet he always has something nasty to say about his opponent? One should practice what they preach, otherwise, they come off as hypocritical.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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21. He's fighting Clinton and McCain at the same time.
And I guess it's my bias but I don't think it's "nasty" to counter cr@P that people say about you. It's seem pretty much a political necessity. Elitist, black candidate, unpatriotic, associate of terrorists, Muslim, out of touch, all talk, inexperienced. He's had to counter bullshit from that campaign ever since he started pulling ahead.

I don't think you or anyone can name an equivalent string of attacks on Clinton that came out of his campaign.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 PM
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30. Then he's a fucking idiot
A whining fucking idiot. He wasn't being nasty when he countered what she said, he has a habit of being nasty down the road in the same speech. How many times have you heard him snark off about "his opponent?" My opponent obviously blah blah blah... that's negative just like her and it's hypocritical. If he is saying my opponent is wrong when she says blah blah blah, that is acceptable and more power to him.

However, at this point in the game, he doesn't really need to go to battle with her, if all of what his supporters here have to say is true and he has this locked up, then his continued whining about her, himself and his supporters, is only a big circle jerk. It's unnecessary and embarrassing.

If I were him, I'd stfu, and then I'd tell all my boisterous and negative supporters to stfu too.

If Hillary can't win, if she is so insignificant, why expend all the energy? There is no good reason why all y'all can't just get on with the McCain flaming already!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:34 PM
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33. No, he's not negative "just like her".
He's never, "just like her" tried to push her into a corner as the minority candidate. Never. And he easily could have.

Some of you will never like anything that comes out of his mouth. That's cool. And, I wasn't flaming Hillary, I was answering your question.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:01 PM
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42. He bashes her in the same breath as complaining about her bashing him
Some of "you" will never hear it though, because you are under that inspiration spell I guess.

I'm sorry, I'm becoming what I hate. Later...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:07 PM
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44. I truly doubt some of these people really listen to their candidate
v
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:08 PM
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45. Okay. Fwiw, Obama is much too conservative for me.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:10 PM by sfexpat2000
I'm not a groupie.

And, yes, maybe we need to chill. I'm sorry if I went over the top. :hug:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:20 PM
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49. In a PRIMARY
the candidates battle each other.

But they should not use the tactics that the Clinton/Rove campaign has been using.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:46 PM
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53. Rove ? ....Nasty nasty
phew
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:13 PM
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5. Because we have more important matters to attend to
Such as winning the White House
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:17 PM
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14. Then by all means get on with it!
Instead of worrying about someone you feel is so insignificant! How is bashing her going to help your cause?
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:19 PM
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18. How can we
When we wake up in the morning seeing Headlines of how Hillary "touts her 'white' vote' or how one of her supporters launched a threat to Pelosi. She needs to just go away. NOW! Not tomorrow, not next week, but right fucking NOW!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:21 PM
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23. It's called being an adult and knowing when to ignore people
when they get under your skin. Hating on Hillary is only keeping you from doing good for Obama. It's time to knock it off! Why not focus on how bad an idea McSame is for president?
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:25 PM
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26. If it was up to me I would!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:25 PM by Arrowhead2k1
But that's not how things work in the real adult world. The fact of the matter is, Hillary staying in this race is proving to be a major distraction. Nothing you or I can do is going to change this fact. We as a whole will only be able to truly focus on McSame as soon as Hillary suspends her campaign on Obama at the very least.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:04 PM
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43. She is excersizing her right to do so whether we like it or not.
She is not the first candidate to do so. You do believe in constitutional rights? Democratic principles? Yes?
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:41 PM
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52. Sir or miss Arrowhead, no one is preventing you from truly
focusing on getting on with bashing McCain. Multitasking is quite easy actually. What Hillary Clinton decides to do is out of our hands after all. Most Obama fans have managed to upset a lot of good Democrats with the nastiest invectives against a Democratic candidate I have ever experienced; nevertheless Clinton supporters who have had to put up with that sort of ignorant behavior will be voting for the Democratic nominee no matter what.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:43 PM
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37. Why should anyone ignore...
the words coming out of a Presidential Candidate, that intends to cripple the winning candidates nomination? Why should any one ignore what is coming out of the mouth of a United States Senator that represents the entire state of New York, in the United States Congress. What country am I living in that absolutely nothing "matters"?
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:24 PM
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25. Bashing her?
Project much?

How is what you're doing helping her cause?

Oh, wait ... besides bending the laws of space, time, and mathematics, there is nothing you can do to help her. So carry on then.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:17 PM
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48. Yes bashing her. Clinton is not bending the laws of the
Constitution that I am aware of. I believe it is far worse to bend the rules of decency by mouthing filth about Hillary Clinton and no on can honestly deny that the slurs against Clinton have been epidemic and alarming. Very little venom has been projected against Obama by Clinton supporters.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:47 PM
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57. Come into the reality-based world
the water's fine
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:27 PM
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51. Yes, bashing her. Clinton has not bent the Constitutional law
and is exercizing her right to do so. The venom projected by Obama supporters against Hillary Clinton has bent the laws of decency let alone the laws of space, time, and mathematics.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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8. you swing like a pendulum...
:crazy: one day you're for Hillary, next day you're not...good grief.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:18 PM
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15. Bullshit
I'm never for either. I'm for being honest about this shit. I've never been in either camp. Prove me wrong.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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9. Because, she's dividing the party!
It's no secret, that yes, she has hurt Obama. We need to focus on McCain and get behind the nominee. The stakes are just too high to be fucking around right now because Hillary can't get over her ego. I'm not scared of her stealing the nomination by any means, let's make that perfectly clear! But she's not helping our party win in November either!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:19 PM
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17. Oh no she isn't!
The incessant whining is doing more harm than she is. Quit it!

Ignore her! Get on with the business of getting your candidate to the white house if that's what you want. Whining about Hillary doesn't help Obama at all. It hurts him!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:15 PM
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11. Because the lingering primary "race" is sucking money from lower-tier candidates
People are holding back on donating to Congressional candidates, some of whom are "targeted" by the GOP and need all the money they can get. Hillary's vanity campaign is seriously endangering a Democratic majority in Congress.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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20. Oh Bovine Excrement
Although you do get points for a new tactic.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:30 PM
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31. I'm not the one saying it
Finance Director of Democratic congressional campaign: Hillary is destroying us

We had a good 1st Quarter anyway, but I don't think we can continue to reach our fundraising targets unless this thing gets settled, and quickly. For her to wait until June is a nightmare that may well guarantee that not only my guy, but dozens and dozens of other challengers will come up badly short of their goals for the 2nd Quarter. And my candidate is in the very top level of targeted races. I can only imagine what the lower tiers of challengers are facing (well, no, actually I've heard from some of them, including the finance chair for a candidate in the Midwest to whom I spoke today).

We need her to drop out now, not only for the sake of our real Presidential nominee winning in November, but so that the rest of us can finally have a fighting chance with donors.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:51 PM
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54. Auditor talk. They eat sleep and dream MONEY.
UGH
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:54 PM
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39. Exactly. They are running scared because she has that slight
chance of winning the nomination and it must be a feel good thing to spew venom. They might as well give that up, they are not helping their cause. I know a few people who would rather take their chances with McCain,for the reasons I have heard of, Obama's lack of DC experence, his waffling,his backers and sad to say, the crap that posters here are saying about Clinton. I am not saying these would be my reasons cause I will be voting for Obama if he gets the nomination, so please don't piss on me.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:11 PM
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3. Because IT'S HER TURN!!1!1!! Waaaahhh!
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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6. This made me chuckle hard.
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mchill Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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10. She likes to give millions of her own dollars away?
:shrug:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:14 PM
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7. Because they think she would be the better candidate and the better president.
I disagree respectfully. I think that she would win, and I think she would be a hell of a good President.

I think Barack would be better on both counts, however.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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55. Good grief ! a reasonable Obama supporter? Nice to hear.
thank you, mucho.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:16 PM
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12. For some of them, it's because their paycheck depends on it.
We're in a recession, after all. If Hillary's campaign ends, all those DLC interns get laid off.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:19 PM
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16. Because they believe in her
no matter how misguided I think that belief is. It is theirs to have and I think they are entitled to it. It is over let them be . I know had she won I would be looking for anything to see a ray of hope that somehow we could get it back.

Give em a week or so to get through it. The cacophony grows ever louder it wont be ignored for long.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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19. they caught naderitis
nt
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:26 PM
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27. It's getting there . . .n/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:27 PM
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29. There's a bug in your post :)
:rofl:

cute
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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22. Because we live in a Democracy and the rules provide for it...
she has earned this right to run.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:32 PM
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32. No one is arguing about her right to run,
But can't you see that nothing good will come to Hillary or the party if she allows herself to carry on this nonsense any longer? She has sullied her once amiable reputation with this race, now some people are even insinuating that she's a racist on national TV! What does that tell you?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:37 PM
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35. It's politics, the name calling is SOP from both campaigns and their
supporters... She has gone this far, let's see how far she can go... I don't see how this will affect Obama as I think he has the votes to get the nom.. But as long as he has not achieved that number, the rules allow her to continue...

This will all be history come November when we vote for our candidate to win the GE....
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:23 PM
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24. Because some of them are INSANE!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:26 PM by Aya Reiko
Check out many of the comments at the Hillaryis44 site. You'll never see such insane blather outside of Freeperville.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:00 PM
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56. "Because some of them are INSANE!"
NO 'they' are not; that sort of comment is straight out of freeperville. People shouldn't go there, nastyness is catching you know.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:40 PM
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36. Emotional Investment...
We're long past any rational or civil discourse with most of them.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:46 PM
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38. Because they like her brand of politics.
and share her views of what 'matters'.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:59 PM
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41. because we aren't all male chauvanist assholes, here!
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:14 PM
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46. Oh right,
It's all about sexism to some people like yourself. :eyes:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:15 PM
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47. I'm a woman and an Obama supporter, and I hardly consider myself a chauvanist
I'm eager to get on with it, but if she wants to stay in that's her right. But her comments today implying that we should give more weight to the votes of certain demographic groups than others were offensive, and if she is going to continue with that line of attack (essentially, "I'm more electable because I'm white") then the supers need to end it.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:49 PM
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58. Clearly being delusional and psychotic is so much better.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:21 PM
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50. I think it's like how people didn't want to say goodbye to Barbaro
People projected a lot of feelings on Barbaro, and made a large emotional investment not in Barbaro himself, but in their image of him. They also liked to be in the position of cheering him on, and sent him money and flowers, checked on websites about him every day. When he died, they felt like a relative or a friend died. HRC supporters writing about her take a much more personal tone than Obama supporters ("Our girl", "I love you Hill", "Your the best", "Yes She Can", etc.) so the end of her candidacy means more than just a decision about the direction of our country. It is a personal loss.

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