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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:23 PM
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Did Obama REALLY Win Anything???
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:26 PM by indimuse
Susan’s Note: Sarah wrote a particularly powerful comment in the post just below, “What’ll Be Left of the Democratic Party.” I am adding her comment at the end of this NEW post by Sarah today.
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I keep hearing on the news that if the Super Delegates *give* the nomination to Hillary Clinton, the African Americans will be so mad, they will leave the Democratic Party. They will riot in the streets that Hillary stole the nomination. (There are already planned riots in Denver.) The MSM blathers on and on about how it will be seen as *stealing* the nomination from Obama, and giving it to Clinton. They talk about the rage that will be felt in the African American community.
Info::: http://dncdisruption08.org/



And you know what? We Clinton supporters know what that will feel like. Why you ask? Simple. Because we see so many instances of Obama stealing the election NOW. We are pissed off. The Obama campaign has been practicing fraudulent voting practices for months, and the MSM just sits there, and says nothing. The MSM has done everything in their power to force Hillary out of the race, for months.

We feel like Obama has been stealing this nomination all along.


And ALL the talk about the importance of the African American vote is driving some *typical white people* a little mad. Yes, the African American vote is important. But so is the non-African American vote. Dem party leaders are pissing off the white women, the blue collar workers, Asian Americans, and Latinos for a start. Donna Brazile doesn’t seem to think the blue collar worker is all that important to the party. And the Democratic party, if Obama is the nominee will lose 50% of Clinton supporters. They will vote McCain or stay home. Obama will not get their votes. So, you might want to consider that.

Yesterday, someone saw Obama campaign literature INSIDE a polling place - which is ILLEGAL. They video taped it. Jack Trapper wrote about it on his blog. Will it get any coverage? HA And it makes me wonder how often this has been happening. You can NOT campaign INSIDE polling places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiM-6ZnW2LI


Last night one county in IN took hours to report any numbers last night. Sounds very suspicious. The Mayor (Obama supporter) of Lake County blames it on early voters? Weird because every other county managed to get their votes counted. The Mayor of Hammond County (Clinton supporter) said it reeks of hanky panky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5goTs_Bp8I


We have seen numerous stories about intimidation, illegal practices, bullying, and full on fraud at caucuses in many states. Another here. (you have to read the *more* to get this one)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASNtFcqF4g

Kim Frederi documented numerous occasions of Obama supporters not following the rules, and using intimidation in her state’s caucus She is a delegate.http://www.youtube.com/user/kimfrederi

And they hand out free sandwiches? Is this legal? There were reports in NV that they literally pulled homeless people off the street, and promised them a free meal, to campaign for Obama.

There is also a lot of talk about seating the delegates and the votes in FL and MI. Well, Obama broke the rules in FL. He ran TV ads in FL and he campaigned there. And he is fighting the votes being counted and the delegates being seated? Bill Richardson said that we have had enough debates, but on the other hand he said that Obama was not known in FL, so the vote wasn’t fair. There were 17 debates before the Florida primary.

And don’t think I am being loony with my stealing vote theories. Machines can very easily be hacked. And considering Obama has the *higher educated* and *younger* voters, I doubt this is happening.
CNN: Vote Fraud Diebold Voting Machines Steal 2008 Elections

I don’t trust the guy. I think he offers the worst kind of politics. He has too many questionable associations. I am five years younger than Obama, and have managed to spend my entire life never knowing or associating with terrorists, slumlords or anti-American crazy assed ministers. It is absolutely not coincidental that Obama is associated with that many anti-Americans or seedy characters.
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Obama lied about what he knew and when he knew it with Wright. He fabricated a public fight with Wright, so he could finally denounce *the man*, something he said he could never do. But he had to, after he realized his *speech on race* did not do enough. Now Obama thinks a 20 year relationship is behind him, just because he *denounced* him last week? Just because they fabricated the opportunity - something he couldn’t do for 20 years? Do not believe the hype, people. He did not disown Reverend Wright.

And, listening to him last night, in his most recent attempt to appear patriotic, he mentioned how meaningful it was to see his father’s casket draped in the American flag. Well, that is a lie. His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. He was buried in Africa. And Obama didn’t attended the funeral. And his father was not draped in an American flag, in Kenya. To me, he just revealed more of what a fraud he is.

Perhaps it does sound like I am a *sore loser* following the NC results last night. But you are only half right. I am sore, but wouldn’t you be, if you knew your candidate’s opponent was stealing the nomination? If they were covering up and lying about their seedy associations, if they were guilty of race baiting, and cheating at caucuses and polling places? For threatening African American super delegates and delegates who have received death threats for not supporting Obama, others being pressured to support Obama. Obama started attacking Hillary in this race months and months ago, and has always blamed her. And the media helped spread that fallacy.

So, I am sore, but, not a loser. Hillary has not lost. This race is not over yet. The super delegates have to nominate the person who can will the general election. And that is NOT Obama. He has only just begun to be vetted, and there is MORE to come. He does not stand a chance in the general election.

So, if the democrats want to win the White House, they should nominate Hillary Clinton. If they don’t, the Democrats will be the losers. We, Americans, will truly be the losers.


The people “have a right, an indisputable, inalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge — I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers.” John Adams

If the MSM had been doing their job this past year, Obama would have been out of this race months ago. They have overlooked his background, his friends, his associations, his lack of accomplishments, and now, all the voting fraud. And for those who have done some reporting recently, I can assure you there are many people who would like to take back their vote for Obama after seeing the stories.
Obama said the other day that Indiana was the tie breaker. Clinton won PA, he would win NC, and IN was the tie breaker. Well, Hillary won IN. SO, for all those pundits in the media today, shut up! Quit telling Hillary to get out. If Obama were the shoe-in as the nominee, he would be carrying these final contests. And he isn’t! The rest of America matters. Hillary Clinton supporters matter.

The VOTERS matter. NOT Chris Matthews. Not Keith Olbermann. Or Campbell Brown or Andrea Mitchell. So, PLEASE just knock it off. Do your job, report the news, and let the voters vote. And quit alllowing Obama steal the nomination.

And way to go Hillary in IN! Now she is in beautiful West Virginia!
Gooo Hillary!

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http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/who-is-guilty-of-stealing-the-nomination/#more-2435




http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/elections/15640-alert-spread-word-o-bomba-dirty-tricks-tx-oh.html#post327297
Quote:
I’m receiving reports that contrary to Texas Democratic party caucus rules that preclude registration forms from being submitted before either 7:15 pm or the last vote

at a precinct has been cast, Obama volunteers are handing out the forms at precincts today and asking people to fill them in and then collecting them. For Obama to

submit the forms on the voters’ behalf without the voter physically being present at the caucus would violate the rules.

Spread the word at your favorite site!

Obama Campaign Operatives Caught Violating Texas Election Law 3/04/2008 2:00 EST In Texas, the reports get worse. Obama's team are evidently copying caucus

forms and having their supporters fill them out prior to the 7:15 p.m. deadline when the caucus is called to order. This means the voter wouldn't have to actually attend

the caucus, but instead would simply have the Obama team hand in the caucus forms for the voter, which is clearly against the rules, which are very clear:

Participants may NOT begin signing in until the precinct convention has been called to order. The call to order may not occur until 7:15 p.m. OR whenever the last

voter finishes voting at that polling location whichever is later. If, after the convention has been called to order and participants have signed in, any participant who

wishes to leave may do so, and their sign in WILL count toward the delegate allocation for each candidate. Sign-In ends when the last person present waiting to sign in

has done so. Yet another example of Barack Obama's "change" agenda, on the way to a different kind of politics. Chicago style, baby. The reports of what the Obama

campaign is doing in Ohio and Texas are astonishing. First of all, the Obama campaign is wrong on the facts and on the law; second, challenging voters is what

Republicans do to Democrats, especially to minority Democrats. This is the example Obama wants to set? This is the politics of hope and unity? What a

disappointing charade. The Obama campaign is desperate. Spread the word.


Oh, and if you don't like my source....TOO BAD! Move on! I'm working on something for my local station here TV and Radio ! PS..Me, Being in the Music Industry, have "friends' in the media...It ain't OVER! I hope Hillary exposes Oabma in front of the entire NATION on his ILLEGAL Caucus tactics and MORE!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:25 PM
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1. you are hopeless
Have you ever thought of seeing a Shrink?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. do you ever READ?
:)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #4
104. yes, unfortunately. sickening shit all the way. enjoy it until the ge when
this stuff gets you banned.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:26 PM
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113. Is that photo by Riefenstahl?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:30 PM
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project much?
why be so vile? honestly, why?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:26 PM
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2. I hope you plan on putting at least 1/2 this much energy
in to supporting the Democratic Presidential Nominee.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #2
20. now YOUR tripping!
neva gonna happen!
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. So you're admitting that Hillary can't win the nomination?
'neva gonna happen' in reference to supporting the Dem nominee? Checkmate! :rofl:
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #28
49. touché !
:rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. So come November you are going to either stay home or cross party lines?
Your other choices are to vote for the nominee as painful as it might be, go third party or write her in, which is a vote for McCain
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
46. I will do what,
I always intended to do...Vote For Hillary!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
60. Luv your......

response........welcome to my world.......won't your come on in.....


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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Kewl RD!
Stayin Alive!


:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. its a
grand theme

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. I like it!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:32 PM by indimuse
Look which 'theme' Obama wants to continue,by cliaming a BOGUS Victory!!!


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. ha ha Obama the phony Bush-lite!!
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #46
63. She won't be eligible to run as an Independent
since the deadline will have passed for her putting herself on the ballot in virtually all states
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #46
66. Cool, so you will vote for McCain when you write her in
she will not be able to run as an indie... deadlines and all that happy horse

Enjoy your vote for McCain
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
45. It's "you're."
And "never."
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:26 PM
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3. Your Funny
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:27 PM by Jake3463
"Oh, and if you don't like my source....TOO BAD! Move on! I'm working on something for my local station here TV and Radio ! PS..Me, Being in the Music Industry, have "friends' in the media...It ain't OVER! I hope Hillary exposes Oabma in front of the entire NATION on his ILLEGAL Caucus tactics and MORE!"

Maybe you should of used all those "contacts" you had in February :rofl:

Your empty threats do not scare any of us :rofl:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. drip drip...
my cup is ALMOST FULL!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Are you ok
You appear to be babbling.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
41. You better see a doctor about that drip. n/t
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:27 PM
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5. It is over. We, are the champions, my friend....
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. !
Have some respect for yourself and research this before commenting!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
44. I've researched, it's fraudulant accusations. n/t
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. really?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. LOL. That little Fox News dweeb was so scared. Figures you'd post something from Fox.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:13 PM
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61. didn't I just see Obama FAIL on FOX?? And you support VIOLENCE!!
sick.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #61
75. Obama crawls to Fox in he is in deep poo-poo.



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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. Using Fox news to make your case is like John Wayne Gacey using Chales Manson............
as a character witness.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:16 PM
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64. Reminds me all those Obama fans using RW smear Drudge last several days!!
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
53. I think this is one of your stages of grieving...your are beginning too
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:05 PM by movonne
sound like bushbots...I am sorry your disappointed over your candidate not winning but please go somewhere else and grieve..
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #53
65. I know...Why couldn't BO win IN do you think???
Must suck...in his own back yard! He BLEW! HA! 4x the amount of $$$ too!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:35 PM
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81. this post is delusional.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:35 PM by RainDog
at this point, I feel like I'm watching the escaped inmates streak naked across the lawn screaming "Hilllarrrrrryeee"

here ya' go - calm down and have a slice of toast -

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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
101. Keep up with that research.
have her get on National TV and start crying how evil Obama is and what a dirty little cheater he is. Please have her look straight at the camera and talk about sandwiches at a caucus meeting. I beg of you to do that.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #101
112. OH NO!
The entire Obama candidacy melts because of Sandwichgate!!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
106. hang up. your mom is calling. she needs to use the basement.
nothing like troll bait. nothing.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:28 PM
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7. are lies and incoherent rants all you idiots have left???
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:30 PM by bowens43


BTW , love the Seig Heil pose !!! Very appropriate!
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:29 PM
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9. haha, didn't notice that.
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OneSelf Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
51. Oh snap!
Seig Hill!
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:28 PM
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8. Funny!
The guy who has won the most pledged delegates, the most votes and the mosts states... is STEALING IT!!!
:rofl:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:29 PM
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10. Geesh get a grip...
:crazy:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:31 PM
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12. Riiight! Obama is a dick for getting more votes.
Hillary should have bowed out after losing 12 in a row before Pennsylvania. Any other person in their right mind that has a sense of fair play and process would have. But Hillary is "special" except not in a good way.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:32 PM
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13. "The Mayor of Hammond County (Clinton supporter) said it reeks of hanky panky." I know Hillary's
supporters are a bit older than Obama's, but don't you have to be in your late 90s to use the phrase "hanky panky" without irony?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:34 PM
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:42 PM
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34. You're saying that "exactly what is wrong with Obama and his campaign" is people making fun of the
use of archaic phrases like "hanky panky"?

That's "exactly" what's wrong with Obama (who took no part in my mockery of the phrase "hanky panky") and his campaign (which also did not endorse my comments about the phrase "hanky panky")?

Say again: How does my jocularity about the use of an old-timey phrase illustrate what you perceive as a problem with Obama personally and his campaign, too?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:35 PM
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83. No! It's the almost ,"Stepford" meets AVOID subject at hand and sling a personal attack!
and RUN!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:45 PM
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91. What do those loosly connected words mean? If they refer to me, how do they reflect on Obama?
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:57 PM by Stop Cornyn
How come you're mad at Obama because I made fun of the use of the phrase "hanky panky"?

Maybe you share my feeling that it is a humorously anachronistic term, or maybe you think I'm immature, but in either event, how does this qualify as a bad mark against Obama?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. The funny think about the "Gary Controversy"
Is that Obama's vote totals went down not up when the rest of the county came in.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. Dude! You're spoiling it. Quiet with the facts, please, this is too interesting to derail with logic
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:32 PM
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15. Yes. He won the nomination. nt
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
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24. he has not won..
he needs 41% of the remaining DELS!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:40 PM
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30. He won. It's all over but hillary's crying.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #30
72. see you......
in DENVER

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:40 PM
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32. And how many does Hillary need?
He's won.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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42. Actually, Obama only needs 174 more delegates, and that's only 34%
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:37 PM
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85. Easy now...
We all know that Hillarites aren't so good at math.

:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
73. bad dream....
you are having.


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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:32 PM
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16. .
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:33 PM
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17. What's with all the retouched and airbrushed pictures of Hillary?
If you don't love her pruned-up mug, how do you expect us to?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:35 PM
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19. Oh please.. both sides are playing dirty.. For as many smears as
you can find on Obama, there is as many for Clinton.. This is the problem when you are comparing apples with apples. They are both rather status quo.. We have known for quite a long time that the vote couldn't be trusted.. JFK presidency was stolen for him. Bush was selected and stolen left and right... Until a system is designed that verifies the vote properly.. and that people bias doesn't interfere.. then there will never be a true fair election.. That's why you have to work your ass off to bring people in and like your policy.. I think the truer reason that people are split on clinton and Obama is because its not much of a difference.. Either you go with the devil you know or the devil you don't. that's the black and white of the issue.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:37 PM
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23. proof!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:36 PM
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22. Once-secret memos question Clinton's honesty-May 8, 2008
You gonna play noquarter disinformation crap, I'll play this disinformation card.

Once-secret memos question Clinton's honesty

By Jerry Seper
May 8, 2008

A decade before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton admitted fudging the truth during the presidential campaign, federal prosecutors quietly assembled hundreds of pages of evidence suggesting she concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for a failing Arkansas savings and loan at the heart of the Whitewater probe, according to once-secret documents that detail the internal debates over whether she should have faced criminal charges.

For instance, the papers say prosecutors thought Mrs. Clinton first concealed her legal representation of Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association — and the money she made doing it — during the 1992 presidential campaign when she and her husband, then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, came under fire in a questionable Arkansas real estate project known as Whitewater.

Beginning in March 1992 and continuing over the next several years, Mrs. Clinton steadfastly denied that she ever "earned a penny" in representing her Rose Law Firm clients, including the failing thrift's owners, James and Susan McDougal — the Clintons' partners in the Whitewater Development Corp. project.

But the newly discovered records, more than 1,100 pages in 30 separate documents, tell a different story.

The draft indictment clearly asserts that Mrs. Clinton, despite her denials, represented Madison and its projects "in a series of real estate and financial transactions." A separate 183-page report included in the Dash documents said Mr. Hubbell and Mrs. Clinton "concealed from federal investigators the true nature of their work" with Madison and its various entities.


>>>> snip


http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20080508/NATION/602407036/1028/ELECTION&template=nextpage






http://www.pelicanfile.com/reporter.cfm?ReporterID=123
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
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25. Recreate68.org and RUSH LIMBAUGH...
use the google.

Them riots... they are being pushed by El Rushbo, and I am sure you knew that, or probably not
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:49 PM
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38. no!
you are wrong! He may have talked about it...AFTER he had head';s UP!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:21 PM
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68. Some more work for the hopeless
Recreate68 is an ANARCHIST group. They had a smidgen to do with the Seattle protests.

They are NOT black

Got it now?

They are also the CONVENIENT PATSIES for El Rushbo.

You claim you've been to this rodeo before... google up contrielpro
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:51 PM
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39. They are being pushed by Al Sharpton
Maybe they will keep him in jail until after the convention
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:01 PM
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48. Al Sharpton..Huh?
He's probably out already.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:23 PM
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69. So Al is part of Recreate68..... really?
By the way El Rushbo called for them ... while Al Sharpton was arrested for a PEACEFUL protest

I am sure you can tell the difference

Now here is more reality .... the primary is over.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
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26. Well, there's ten minutes I will never get back....
never, ever, ever.....
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
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27. OK, now I have more clarity about my Ed-Schultz-call-today thread.
What a rant.

In case you missed it, I was looking for clarification. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5888311&mesg_id=5888311

I think I just got it here.

Please don't harm yourself or others.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:40 PM
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31. Oh shit! Everyone scatter, Indimuse is on to us!!
Michelle, run a magnet over our hard drives! Malia, shred those al-Qaeda how-to manuals! Katey, bar the door!!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:41 PM
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33. Larry Johnson has become pathetic, or a paid shill.
makes me sad; i loved him during the Plame saga, or just about any other issue regarding the criminality of the current regime.
He makes one comment though which I think is false:
And, listening to him last night, in his most recent attempt to appear patriotic, he mentioned how meaningful it was to see his father’s casket draped in the American flag. Well, that is a lie. His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. He was buried in Africa. And Obama didn’t attended the funeral. And his father was not draped in an American flag, in Kenya. To me, he just revealed more of what a fraud he is.


I have to check, but I think he was referring to his grandfather (WWII vet) in that segment.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:51 PM
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40. If he were an Obama supporter , you'd be licking his toes...
ewww.BUt you would!
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:46 PM
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36. mods PLEASE!
Can we PLEASE close GD-P??? This is getting ridiculous!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:49 PM
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37. Hey Pol-Pot
"And don’t think I am being loony with my stealing vote theories. Machines can very easily be hacked. And considering Obama has the *higher educated* and *younger* voters, I doubt this is happening."


Since when did being higher educated ever become a bad thing?
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:21 PM
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111. Since 2001
when Bush moved into Pennsylvania Ave.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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43. Do you get paid by the word?
I wouldn't wait around for Hillary's check if I were you.
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Judge_Mental Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:00 PM
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47. Have you no sense of decency?
:(
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:02 PM
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50. intimidation, bullying
Intimidation, bullying; we've seen that before. From Bush. Maybe that's the only way someone can win these days.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:06 PM
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55. "His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. "
And, listening to him last night, in his most recent attempt to appear patriotic, he mentioned how meaningful it was to see his father’s casket draped in the American flag. Well, that is a lie. His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. He was buried in Africa. And Obama didn’t attended the funeral. And his father was not draped in an American flag, in Kenya. To me, he just revealed more of what a fraud he is.



Incoherent babble from an idiotic racist!

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:06 PM
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56. why is hillykins doing a hitler salute in a biker jacket?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:31 PM
Original message
more pathetic RW smears from you.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:52 PM
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100. pathetic and RW are two adjectives that sum up hillykins campaign quite nicely actually...
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:07 PM
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57. Obama is stealing the election? Shit, I know you guys try to paint what you do on someone else
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:09 PM by Pawel K
but this is a little much.

Last I checked it wasn't Obama's campaign that made all those illegal robo calls that disfranchised black voters. It wasn't Obama that signed a pledge to not participate in MI and FL and then changed his mind once he started losing. It isn't Obama that constantly keeps moving the goal post. First it was Super Tuesday that mattered. Then it was the popular vote. Then it was FL and MI. Then it was one's electability.

I'll just come out and say it, you dishonesty makes me fucking sick. You are willing to destroy this entire party with your lies for Hillary. Again, you try to pain Obama supporters as being part of a cult but I think you need to look in the mirror on this one, because you would have to be in a cult to be as delusional as you are. IT'S OVER, LET IT GO. If you want Hillary to stay in this fine, as long as she stops with the gutter politics and her supporters, such as yourself, stop making shit up.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:35 PM
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82. He wants to steal Hillary's MI delegates. He did NOT earn them.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:44 PM
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90. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in you
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:50 PM by Pawel K
She signed a pledge that Michigan and Florida don't matter. Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan because of that pledge, which he also signed. Clinton made absolutely no effort to count Michigan and Florida until after she started losing. There is nothing honest about the point you are making.

You've been here a long time, you are not a stupid person and you know what you just posted is total bullshit. But you are making a total ass out of yourself for what? Hillary Clinton, a politician? Really, you are going to throw away a good 4 year reputation around here worth over 10,000 posts for her? I know it sucks to lose but you need to let go, please.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:08 PM
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59. Beating a spot on the sidewalk where there used to be a dead horse n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:19 PM
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67. You know, in a weird sort of way, I'm going to miss your batshit Norma Desmond
nutso posts.

But I'm sure I'll get over it.

:rofl:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:24 PM
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70. There was nothing going on in Lake County and to suggest it is a smear
the Clinton New Network was the only place flogging this weak story.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:27 PM
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74. So college-educated young adults are hacking voting machines for Obama.
Do you have ANY source for this ageist smear, or are you just another boomer who hates and distrusts anyone under 30?

BTW: Music industry experience or not (and if true, that goes a long way to explain your hate for Gen-Y -- no doubt they're all a bunch of thieving criminals who aren't lining your wallet as much as you'd like, by buying from online music stores), your ASS is not a SOURCE.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:28 PM
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76. THE MOST POPULOUS AREAS of Indiana - ALL OF THEM were the last to report
and ALL OF THEM were known to be Obama areas. in other words, the Clinton precincts came in early because their populations were already small. rural, for the most part.

On the other hand, ALL of the population centers of Indiana went for Obama and this voting pattern was ALREADY KNOWN.

In addition, there was a huge "get out the vote" campaign in Indiana that stressed early voting. At my local farmer's mkt, for instance, people got information about how and where to vote early and were encouraged to do so to avoid voter fraud.

You know, most of us on this forum have tried to move to politeness. We know it's hard to lose. But those of you who want to keep this up cannot expect the rest of us to just see this and not respond. The highlighted quote you pull from one person is the ranting of a scum bag. Obama is associated with terrorists? How dare you post this sort of trash on this site?


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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:31 PM
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78. Congratulations! Your idiotic whining has earned you one of these:


I predict that the day that Her Royal Clintonness breaks out of her delusional fugue and calls it quits is the same day that you'll put a bullet in your head, unable to bear the burden of living in a world without the candidacy of your High Priestess and Savior, Hillary Clinton.

You want some free advice? Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:37 PM
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84. And your STUPIDITY has won you another one of these...
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:39 PM
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87. MY stupidity?
That's a good one. Really. What are you trying to say, that Queen Hillary's "mission" is "accomplished"?

Please clarify.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:39 PM
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88. Even worse, that which most frightens types like these:
PHOTOS FROM 1950s SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE CLASSICS POSTED IN LIGHTHEARTED RESPONSE TO HILLARY TRUE BELIEVERS!

AAAAARRRRRGH!



(Believe it or not, I got a post deleted for showing this picture in a reply to a very familiar Hillary backer around here. She freaked. Completely. I risk it here, as you have apparently experienced the same kind of thing.

Don't be frightened, by the way.)
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:47 PM
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92. ZOMG! It's the Obamabot!!!1!1! If his ray touches you, it zaps the stupid away!
RUN AWAY!!! AIEEEE!!! If I lose the stupid, I'll realize that claiming that Obama cheated his way to victory in the absence of any evidence to that end makes me look like a total fucking moron!

NOOOOOOOoooooo.......
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:52 PM
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96. Klaatu Barata Nikto
Translation:

Yes We Can.


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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:34 PM
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80. That's it. You and those who recommended this thread have
officially gone 'round the bend. Nuff said.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:39 PM
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86. Good luck accomplishing whatever it is you hope to accomplish. n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:40 PM
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89. Yep. He won the nomination. Get over it.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:50 PM
Original message
ok...
See you at the convetion!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:52 PM
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97. You have a ticket? Lucky bastard. My sister does, too.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:50 PM
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94. ok...
Edited on Thu May-08-08 04:50 PM by indimuse
See you at the convention!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:48 PM
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93. It's Groundhog Day . . . again. nt
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:51 PM
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95. What no mention of Hillary stating "McCain has more experience"
Jesus, spare us the bullshit. For years now we all knew that Hillary was going to run and we all knew that she is the one Democrat who would unite the GOP and independents against Democrats, creating another lost White House and a down ticket disaster.

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truth please Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:53 PM
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98. I stopped reading when you said Blacks are going to riot
in the streets. I am so sick of black people being painted as ignorant and violent. You sound just like the nuts on Hillaryis44. She lost fair and square, she was out campaigned by a freshman Senator who has run a magnificent campaign. If she would have thought of running after Super Tuesday and not thinking she would be crowned, she may have won. It is over now.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:00 PM
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99. Colbert was funny last night.
He mentioned what Clinton said "she wins one race and Obama wins a race, and then she wins a race," and Colbert said something like, Obama wins 12 races and she wins 1 race and Obama wins another 8 races and so on...
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:57 PM
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102. Congratulations OP
Stupidest post of the day award goes to you today. Since you compete with Tellurian that is quite an accomplishment.
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rg302200 Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:03 PM
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103. See its shit like this that makes Clinton's supporters
look so damn childish and is just one of the reasons that I switched my vote from her to Obama. Clinton just needs to go away, far away, even out of the Senate!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:46 PM
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105. you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel's bottom, aren't you?
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:47 PM
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107. All he's won is delegates.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:48 PM
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108. What is with that HORRID patton leather jacket she is wearing?
That's pretty much the only thing noteworthy I saw in this post.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:17 PM
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110. that's "patent" leather ... but on Hillary, I can see why you might've said Patton. n/t
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:10 PM
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109. Kick
Some threads are too fun to let die.

:popcorn:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:28 PM
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114. Kinda makes the Bush "stolen election" claims look silly, too
I wonder how many of the people so devoted to the idea that Bush stole elections would say ANY election they lost was stolen. That seems to be the case with this incredible gasbag.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:35 PM
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115. "If the MSM had been doing their job this past year..."
It HAS.

Its 'job' has been to propel Obama and Hillary into the spotlight of national politics to the exclusion of far better qualified individuals for the express purpose of dividing the democratic party and its supporters into two warring camps while at the same time virtually ignoring the republican race.
Stage One of the plan is nearly complete. Once Obama has been declared the nominee the media will proceed very methodically to destroy him. The Wright issue was just the beginning. EVERY little thing he does and says will be picked apart and sooner or later they'll find the Obama equivalent of a 'Dean Scream' and that will be that.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:42 PM
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117. You hit it dead-on. Obama doesn't have a prayer.
We let the MSM tell us who the only two candidates had to be for a solid year. No one else had a chance by Christmas. They gave minimal coverage to the rest just to make it look good according to their devious plan.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:14 AM
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122. what i don't get is that nobody seemed to notice
when it was pretty blatant. At one point they were reporting on an obama SNEEZE fer cryin' out loud. Considering how DU seems to be more than aware of how the media has propped up bush for his entire two terms and spent eight years demonizing bill clinton it astounds me that so many people so easily were led by the nose.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:37 PM
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116. I love the Hillary does Rob Halford look!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:50 AM
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118. Powerful, indimuse.
Thanks.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:25 PM
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119. Great thread!
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:27 PM
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120. Here I have a wooby for you
Been posting this all day for your bitter folks.

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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:33 PM
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121. o/t Republicans: Vote For Acknowledging Mothers Until They Voted Against it.
Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:34 PM by genna
I am following a thought of fellow unity within Democratic circles by talking about McCain and Republican antics. If I have to think through what it means for angry women, not outraged black women mind you, to think about the stealing reference being applied to the title shot bout in the upcoming general campaign, my reaction will be nothing LESS than typical.


Denial is a step in healing. Negotiating and bargaining is somewhere in there too. I keep repeating Antonin Scalia. Dick Cheney so I don't argue the point.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050802999.html

On Wednesday afternoon, the House had just voted, 412 to 0, to pass H. Res. 1113, "Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day," when Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), rose in protest.

"Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote," he announced.

Rep. Kathy Castor (D-Fla.), who has two young daughters, moved to table Tiahrt's request, setting up a revote. This time, 178 Republicans cast their votes against mothers.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:51 AM
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123. you made some good points, but the O-ists are too drunk on koolaid to hear them. the hangover will s
set in soon enough, though, when they find out that their race-baiting lightweight candidate lost the GE.
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