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Fri May-09-08 01:20 AM
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IN Sec. of State final total: Hillary only won by less than 1% (When rounded it becomes a tie) |
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By p marshall - May 8, 2008, 5:22PM FINAL INDIANA TALLY -- As per Indiana Sec. of State is: Hillary Clinton: 637,814 / 50.4 %Barack Obama: 626,642 / 49.6% Diff. = 11,152 votes (less than 1 %) http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/in-sec-of-state-final-total-hi.phpThanks caligirl for the heads up.
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Fri May-09-08 01:21 AM
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1. Those numbers are actually slow |
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CNN has it as like 644-630 (thousand). CNN is probably right.
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Fri May-09-08 01:21 AM
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4. What do you mean by Slow? (Just asking, don;t know hat slow |
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Means in this discussion.)
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Fri May-09-08 01:23 AM
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8. The Secretary of State is suprisingly behind, just like in PA. |
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The Indiana Sec of State was slow in reporting their numbers all night and that continues today. In reality, she is up about 644,500 to 630,400, which is something like 50.55-49.45
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Fri May-09-08 01:25 AM
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11. Got cha. Thanks for explaining. n/t |
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Fri May-09-08 11:17 AM
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33. We need to get TVOR on this, pronto !! |
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Fri May-09-08 01:22 AM
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6. According to my understanding that's with 100% in. CNN still has it at 99% in. |
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Fri May-09-08 01:23 AM
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9. But yet CNN has more votes. |
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Fri May-09-08 01:21 AM
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2. can someone figure out the direct link to IN Sec of State? nt |
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Fri May-09-08 01:25 AM
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12. I don't think they have one.. I looked for ages & never found one n.t |
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Fri May-09-08 01:25 AM
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Fri May-09-08 01:28 AM
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15. no numbers..just gobbledygook information |
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Fri May-09-08 01:22 AM
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7. and remember, unfortunately, Rush's chaos did have a minimal impact and |
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probably 10,000 of those votes were crossovers, so it is even less in the grand scheme of legitimate votes....
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Fri May-09-08 01:24 AM
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10. HRC would've definitely LOST Indiana (and may still) without Limbaugh's Operation Chaos |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:17 AM by tiptoe
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Fri May-09-08 01:26 AM
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14. Here's a link to the site |
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Fri May-09-08 01:33 AM
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Fri May-09-08 01:51 AM
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18. yes, especially given pollsters had HRC at +5% |
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Fri May-09-08 01:38 AM
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17. Those numbers are elitist. |
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Fri May-09-08 06:28 PM
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62. what happened to all those hard working white folk? |
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Fri May-09-08 01:53 AM
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When the lead was 1.1%, but rounding would have made it 2%, everyone was going batshit about rounding both numbers. But now that the lead is .8%, where rounding helps Obama by making it a tie, people are OK with it.
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Fri May-09-08 02:24 AM
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22. which way do you think it should be? |
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let me guess: "it doesn't matter"
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Fri May-09-08 11:34 AM
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37. Neither is a case of "rounding", in the traditional sense |
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1.1 rounds to 1 0.8 rounds to 1 9.2 rounds to 9
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Fri May-09-08 01:31 PM
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39. Where the [beep] did you learn to round? |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 01:31 PM by dbmk
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Fri May-09-08 01:59 AM
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20. Direct from the IN Sec of State website |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:07 AM by quakerboy
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Fri May-09-08 02:18 AM
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21. So, it was a 50/50 tie! |
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Fri May-09-08 02:32 AM
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23. What is it really and what will the Media tell us it is? |
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In political math is it a tie?
That will be lovely.
Help!
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Fri May-09-08 02:19 PM
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54. 50.57-49.43%, and yet IN delegates ended up at 38-34 for Clinton |
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Where are the voices crying about the will of the people being thwarted in this sham primary? Oh, that's right. The Obama campaign doesn't whine. They just play by the rules and soldier on.
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Fri May-09-08 04:48 PM
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59. I hope when he faces down McCain that the campaign |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 04:48 PM by truedelphi
Has a real plan that they endorse and that will be carried out against the Repug thieves.
No more allowing the Secretary of State in one state to collude with the Chief of Staff in announcing the Presidential election results.
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Fri May-09-08 05:47 PM
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60. There are millions more eyes watching them every election cycle |
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There are millions more who realize what is at stake.
If shenanigans were tried, we would not go gentle into that good night. Not this time.
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Fri May-09-08 05:52 PM
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61. I am hoping that it will be as you describe n/t |
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Fri May-09-08 02:38 AM
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24. Does anybody really believe that Rush LImbaugh did not motivate atleast |
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11,000 mischief voters???
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Fri May-09-08 03:10 AM
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25. I do, and I think the SD's have thought about this as well. That's why |
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Indiana has been seen as a crushing defeat for Hillary. From the polls going in, Obama overperformed, if I'm not mistaken. I think only Zogby had him winning by +2. But Zogby pretty much nailed NC, thus restoring some of my trust in Zogby.
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Fri May-09-08 11:23 AM
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36. Yes. Tuesday was a crushing defeat for Hillary. She had to win IN big and come close in NC. |
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Fri May-09-08 01:41 PM
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43. 50.000 Gasbag votes net gain for Hillary |
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Fri May-09-08 02:51 PM
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57. That would be the hardworking white male vote? |
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Fri May-09-08 07:45 AM
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29. Okay, Obama's numbers people are SCARY GOOD!! |
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I remember Tuesday night, BEFORE Lake County started to report, MSNBC's Chuck Todd saying he'd talked to Obama's people about a possible Indiana upset and Obama's team told him that their projections showed they'd just miss it by about 10,000 votes.
Amazing strategy, excellent staff, unprecedented grass roots support. Obama has already changed presidential campaign landscape. Think about what he can do once he's in the White House!
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Fri May-09-08 08:28 AM
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31. This is precisely why he's winning.... with people like that |
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They understand the system, they project well, too bad they never expected something like Operation Chaos because he would have won that state. Super's aren't stupid, they see what's happening....
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Fri May-09-08 07:50 AM
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30. 15-20k atleast came from Operation chaos so Overall I cant say Clinton can claim this as victory |
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Fri May-09-08 01:36 PM
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40. Don't know if they were Operation Chaos or not |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 01:37 PM by dbmk
But using CNNs exit polls:
Hillary had over 80k voters that would vote for McCain in the GE - if it was Hillary on the ballot. Obama had 26k or so that would vote McCain in the GE if it was Obama on the ballot.
In other words its safe to say those people had no plan of voting Democratic in the GE.
And among those Hillary net gained 50k+ votes. Not 15k or 20k. 50.000.
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Fri May-09-08 11:16 AM
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32. Someone needs a grade school math refresher |
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ROUNDING the 0.8% margin to integer percentages would round UP to 1%. (.5 or greater rounds UP) The post is talking about truncating the fractional percentage.
Twisting the numbers diminishes the point that Clinton's margin was less than 1 percentage point.
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Fri May-09-08 11:22 AM
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35. They were using McAuliffe's and others new improved Clinton |
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math that rounded 9.4 to 10 and then in a final act of chutzpah called it double digits.
It is NOT a tie - but it is less than 1%. This does put it in a range that it could very well be attributable to Operations Chaos. I assume that people who know Indiana better than me (and I lived there the first 21 years of my life) can analyze that better. The key is that there are areas in Indiana where Clinton votes - if from a Republican are FAR more likely Chaos votes.
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Fri May-09-08 01:38 PM
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41. But using MSM rounding it becomes a tie. :) |
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Fri May-09-08 11:17 AM
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34. That close it could be that Rush's ditto heads may have made a difference. |
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Fri May-09-08 01:39 PM
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Thats how many more votes Hillary got than Obama from voters that had no intention of voting democratic in November. Call them Chaos or not.
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Fri May-09-08 11:35 AM
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Fri May-09-08 01:42 PM
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44. from wipeout to raindrop |
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Fri May-09-08 01:46 PM
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45. Complete misrepresentation |
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The picture of the raindrop needs to be smaller.
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Fri May-09-08 01:57 PM
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51. So I guess you are one of these guys that would say I didn't get it right? |
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This a huge lead in Indiana for Clinton Posted by grantcart in General Discussion: Primaries Thu May 01st 2008, 11:01 PM
She has a mammoth lead of historical proportions. In the coming years there will be poets commissioned to write of the great historical victory that Clinton had in Indiana. Operas will be commissioned to elevate the populace with images of the mastadonic herculean feat. Armed only with an Indiana Senator and the vestigages carried by her husband who once occupied the most powerful office in the world she single handedly reminded the people of Indiana how she is the inheritor of the role of defender of 'our people' and 'people like us' while her husband spoke passionately about the divisions in America between ordinary people and the 'elitists'.
So formidable is her lead that she is now expected to take Indiana by 30-40 points, an epic win is secured of Brobdingnagian proportions. It is expected that her pythonic win will literally eat virtually all of the delegates and the she will walk away with a delegate lead of at least 40 delegates.
Should Obama somehow manage to comeback and land within 25 points of Clinton it would have to be considered a miracle.
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Fri May-09-08 02:16 PM
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53. It was completely right. You just forgot the "deci" in front of "delegates" |
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Edited on Fri May-09-08 02:17 PM by dbmk
Once Hillary discovers that error, she will be ahead by a factor 10 almost.
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Fri May-09-08 01:48 PM
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46. WOW that was a nail biter |
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this means that they cannot even claim IN... neither side technically can
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Fri May-09-08 01:50 PM
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48. The numbers are wrong as I pointed out yesterday |
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She actually has 644,590 to Obama's 630,350. From memory, that is what CNN and MSNBC show which are the more updated numbers.
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Fri May-09-08 02:02 PM
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52. Actually its 50.55 to 49.45 so not a tie...not that it matters. |
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Fri May-09-08 01:49 PM
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47. Anyone think that maybe, just maybe, Operation Chaos had anything to do with HRC's win? |
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Fri May-09-08 01:55 PM
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50. No. The right to vote is sacred. I don't think anyone is going to soil it |
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with the urging of Limbaugh.
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Fri May-09-08 02:19 PM
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The exit polls show about 120.000 voters that had no intention of voting democratic in the fall. Hillary won those 2 to 1.
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Fri May-09-08 02:21 PM
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56. She can thank Operation Chaos |
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Fri May-09-08 06:34 PM
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63. Yep. That cretin Limbaugh actually did it. |
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Nice win there.
Doesn't matter anymore, except that without him, it would have been a clear Obama victory, and even tougher for her to stay in - to trash our nominee.
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Fri May-09-08 03:14 PM
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58. Further down in the discussion |
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You'll find a Sec of State page
They just recently (2hrs ago) updated the numbers
They're different than the ones you cite
Hillary is 643,797 Obama 629,310
That is a total of 14,487
I don't know why the numbers you cite and that they cite are different
Maybe these are more recently updated??
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