Clinton Surrogate Carol Simpson on Larry King: "White People will not vote for a black man"

[Joe the Revelator]

Tell me again how this horseshit isn't bad for the party?



Edit: It may have been a combination of Lanny Davis and Clinton Surrogate Carol Simpson.

[anonymous171]

1. Obama needs to counter this bullshit spin. Just say "They already have" over and over.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Thats not even the point. He shouldn't have to deal with this from his own party.

This needs to end. NOW.

[anonymous171]

8. Obama can end it if he and his surrogates slam her down on this.

[reflection]

18. I just made that point in another thread.

It's shameful.

[notundecided]

111. Primaries are not the General

Bradley won the primary in California and the polls had him winning big in the General. Bradley lost; hence the term :Bradley Effect.

[PoliticalAmazon]

163. Disagree. Obama is taking the right approach: refusing to rise to their anger-bait...

which frustrates them because they want the reaction so they can feed off it and get more free publicity...so when Obama doesn't respond, Clinton and her Bag-O-Loons ratchet up the anger-bait a notch or two. Obama doesn't react and feed their campaign fuel for more anger-baiting, so they ratchet up the anger-bait again.

What is happening is this: Hillary and her campaign are being given all the rope they need to hang themselves. They've already broken a promise to stop with the negative campaigning, and this will ruin their chances with the SDs and DNC. It also gives Hillary et al. plenty of time to discredit themselves to Hillary supporters. As Hillary gets more out-there, her supporters will slowly begin to think, "Say, perhaps she wouldn't make such a good president after all," and slowly back away from her, right towards Obama!

Obama is looking to the future and uniting the power so we can win in November. He's not getting bogged down in the past, and being "bogged down in the past" is really a metaphor for the Hillary campaign.

We can help Obama in his job to win over Hillary supporters by not ourselves rising to the anger-bait from Hillary supporters (who are understably disappointed and prone to pitch a fit or two), and keep our focus forward. Hillary et al. will drag us down with them if we let them.

Obama has realized this and is acting on it. Perhaps other Obama supporters will join me in joining him. We cannot afford to get bogged down in Hillary's anger and bitterness. Our country can't afford for us to get bogged down in Hillary's anger and bitterness.

[TBF]

244. Absolutely correct - Obama is taking the high road while Hillary sinks. The cream always rises.

And then there's Hillary.

[hokies4ever]

168. Link?

Anyone have a link to the video for this?

[MadBadger]

3. I need a linked quote or to see this for myself. I cant believe even he would say that

[Joe the Revelator]

7. I guess you can wait for King to put up his transcript.

[Medusa]

22. Replay at 12 am East Coast, 9pm West Coast time.

it must be seen to be believed. These people are fucking crazy.

[K Gardner]

23. Watch the replay. That despicable surrogate, Simpson, said people would

lie and then vote for McCain rather than vote for a black man, like the Bradley effect.

They were outrageous and despicable. I cannot believe this is allowed to continue.

[tblue37]

137. I am a white woman with red-hair &f reckles, & I am 57 years old.

I am "that demographic": older white female--and I voted for him in our caucus here in Kansas and I will vote for him in the GE. Of course, I do have 3 degrees, so I guess that makes me one of those "eggheads" Begala was talking about as being the only white people who would vote for Obama.

But I come from a working class family in Avoca, PA., right between Scranton and WIlkes-Barre, and Dad was a 22-year Air Force man. I think people like me are supposed to belong to Hillary, aren't we?

[dempartisan23]

190. the whole clinton campaign has become bigots

i despise everyone of these racists in the hillary campaign

[K Gardner]

189. TRANSCRIPT FOR THOSE WHO OWE WOLSH AN APOLOGY >>>>

I sat here last night in disbelief and watched downthread poster call Wolsh and others of us who WATCHED this on TV.. liars. Screw you all. All you have at this point are digusting RW tactics, race-baiting, fear and calling people LIARS when you don't like hearing the truth.

(Not talking to you, hnmnf, just wanted to post this close to the top!)
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SIMPSON: Thank you.

I was going to make a comment about the white voters statement that is attributed to Hillary, but I decided I have a better point to make and I want to make it right now. And that is facts are facts, as Lanny talked about with the tracking polls and Hillary's comparison to McCain's numbers, if they were running against each other in a general election.

Do you know what my big fear is, is that Barack Obama is going to win the nomination and during the general election all of those white people that came out to vote for him in the primaries are going to get in that booth and are not going to vote for him, just like Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley, when he was running for the governor of California. All the polls said that he was going to win and he lost by a large margin because people...

KING: Yes. What are you saying that America will not elect...

SIMPSON: ...said what was politically correct.

KING: You're saying America will not elect a black man?

Is that what you're saying?

SIMPSON: I am fearful of that. I am fearful that "God damn America" is going to pop into their heads as soon as they get into the polling booth.

MILLER: Sixty million people have voted for Barack Obama, most of them white.

KING: Lanny?

SIMPSON: (INAUDIBLE) primaries.

KING: Lanny...

SIMPSON: Now we're talking about the Gen.

DAVIS: I disagree with friend, Carole. I think America is ready to elect an African-American. I'm proud of what Barack Obama has accomplished and I'm proud of the way he's energized young people. I think he's benefited by being an African-American in many communities, including myself, who would love to have an African-American as president of the United States. I simply...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Uh-oh, close to the race card.

DAVIS: I simply say I think that it's -- I'm proud of the fact that we could elect an African-American, Carole. I just don't think that Barack Obama is connecting with working class people. It's not about race. Jimmy Carter lost Reagan Democrats not because he was black, but because he couldn't speak to working class people.

KING: OK.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel says Barack is the presumptive nominee, Hillary can't win but something could happen that may lose Barack the nomination. That's like wishful thinking.

Doesn't it appear to you...

SIMPSON: Well, anything could happen.

KING: Doesn't it appear to you that if it looks like a duck and it acts like a duck and it walks like a duck, it's a duck?

Doesn't it appear to you that this campaign has now become a duck?

(LAUGHTER)

SIMPSON: No, because 40 years of reporting have shown me that anything can happen. Anything can happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, your hope...

[dzika]

214. Here is a link to the video clip...

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1024

[Beausoir]

226. LOL. No where in that transcript is there anything resembling the OP's claims.

You people need to take some reading comprehension classes.

[K Gardner]

228. So, you're deaf AND dumb. I get it.

[Beausoir]

238. LOL. What a witty comeback!

:crazy:

[Joe the Revelator]

252. Idiot

Call 'em like you see 'em

[Joe the Revelator]

254. Thanks for posting the transcript Gardner.

[baldguy]

4. I guess I'm not white then.

Thank you Lanny, for this revelation!

[rucky]

213. bald guys don't count

it's in the transcript.

[newmajority]

5. What it really proves is WHY these useless DLC fucks must be eliminated now

Lying racist shitbags, every last one of them.

[stop the bleeding]

6. I thought some white people already had voted for a black man?

I mean some of Obama's votes had to come from some white people. Right?

:beer:

[Cha]

9. If anyone thought lanny davis

had anything but shit for brains it might carry weight.

[mcctatas]

10. OK...

if that is accurate, the super delegates need to act NOW! That is utter bullshit, but it may finally pull the blinders off of some of the more reasonable hillary supporters at least...

[DevonRex]

11. And to think I thought I was white all this time. Geee. nt

[Raine]

25. Me too

along with being a "boomer" woman ... two other groups that (supposedly) will not vote for Obama.

[Rene]

136. Correctemondo....I'll never vote for Obama. Hillary gets my write-in if she's not the nominee.

I'll not vote for someone I never even heard of 15 months ago....someone who doesn't make decisions...votes PRESENT 120 times so as to not have a voting track record....someone who's NEVER held a meeting for a committee he chairs (oversight of NATO /Afghanistan). I totally agree with Bartcop's perspective. www.attacktimeline.com to see the Rovian tactics of the obama campaign from the gitgo.

Hillary's the right candidate. Take it to the convention and fight for all your worth Hillary. The pundits and pollsters do NOT run or decide this election. If their not stopped in their tracks this time around...there's no hope for honest campaigns in the future.

[Colobo]

149. Obama will be the nominee, and if you are a Democrat, you will vote for him.

[subsuelo]

187. If you are a real Democrat, that is

Note - I would be saying the same thing if Hilary was the nominee

[redstate_democrat]

176. How do you suppose Hillary will win with only 48% of the Democratic party?

Because trust me, if they steal, yes I said "steal", this nomination from the WINNER, then there will be hell to pay. She will have every Republican in the country at the polls before sunrise and nearly half the base will either stay at home, write in Obama, or vote McCain.

And they will have at least a justifiable reason for their gripes. Hillary's supporters don't have any justifiable reason to DEMAND that the LOSER be nominated. They are just a bunch of fucking whiners. Hillary ran a bastardized campaign and can't come to grips with the fact that she is, in fact, a total loser in this situation. She needs to come to grips with it and get behind our nominee.

[SoCalDem]

56. we must be "secret" whites..

:)

[Kittycat]

67. Apparently, I'm so black, that I glow snow white

:crazy:

[WillyT]

82. ROFL !!! - Me Too !!!

Damn... is there a cure for this?

:rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

12. ...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. He didn't really? Oh, Jesus... what an idiot...

So he's accusing ALL of us white people of being racists? So how come Obama won states like Iowa and Minnesota. And IDAHO? Davis is projecting, methinks. Maybe HE wouldn't vote for a black candidate, so he assumes everybody else thinks the same way. What a douchebag.

:puke:

[Warren DeMontague]

14. All those lattes must have changed my hue, I guess.

You're absolutely right. This horseshit has no place in intelligent political discourse.

[AllentownJake]

15. This is the only way they can get on TV at this point

Is to say fucking offensive race baiting shit.

[Jane Austin]

16. What? I'm not white?

Dayum.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. I'm gonna guess

there's some severe distortion in how you presented it. It just doesn't pass the basic smell test.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Watch the damn thing. The only thing I left out was his rant on the bradly effect

[K Gardner]

27. I think that was Simpson that was ranting about Bradley, unless I missed some of the filth.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. sorry

if a strong accusation is made by somebody with an obama avatar here, I just presume it's a lie. It's the safe way to bet.

[sudopod]

84. I don't trust people whose avatar is based on a terrible pun

And I read Spider Robinson novels. :D

[Kool Kitty]

156. Oops. Self-delete.

[Name removed]

169. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

193. I was right, wasn't I?

Just playing the odds.

[K Gardner]

42. I'm wondering if you're mixing up Lanny with Simpson?

[Joe the Revelator]

46. Possibly, I can't see the TV from where I'm sitting

But I'm listening. Its very possible.

[AllentownJake]

24. No distortion

Him and Carol Simpson both flat out said that.

Not only that but Obama supporters are closet racist who won't vote for him in the GE.

[MonkeyFunk]

88. and other people here

say Lanny Davis did NOT say it, and in fact, disagreed with Simpson.

I see the OP has already edited his post.

Once again, presuming something like is a lie pays off. You guys are shameless.

[woolldog]

94. why don't you just watch the damn show and see for yourself.

God what a dumb post.

[MonkeyFunk]

165. No, it was a prescient post

I was right. The original OP was a lie.

[doublethink]

No actually your shameless in even making that comment on ...

something you haven't even witnessed. A true warrior to the democratic, or progressive cause would withhold JUDGMENT until they saw it for themselves.

on edit: this post was meant in response to #88 up there. :)

[MonkeyFunk]

162. LOL

Was I right?

Did Lanny Davis say "white people won't vote for a black man"?

Of course I was right. I knew it was a lie when I read it.

[gbrenna]

224. This is what was said

I watched the show. Actually Carol said it. Lanny would not agree with the statement and did his usual Clinton talk - best qualified against McCain etc.

[hokies4ever]

170. Stop being an idiot

Does it really matter whether Carol or Lanny said it? It's still offensive.

[MonkeyFunk]

194. You should learn some manners

Yes, it matters, because the OP was a lie, as originally written. I knew it would be, and I was right.

[Name removed]

210. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

227. You really ought to learn the rules here

hokies4ever.

The original post said Lanny Davis had something shocking. I said I doubted it.

I was absolutely right. Somebody else it, and I've since read the transcript, and she did not say it the way the OP claims. It wasn't her declaration. SHe was discussing the Bradley effect, which is real.

But nonetheless, I guessed that the OP would be a lie, and I was 100% right.

[cyndensco]

148. Carole Simpson said all white folks will hear when they enter the voting booth is "GD America"

[K Gardner]

30. No. No distortion. Sad to say. It was actually worse than Wolsh stated.

[MonkeyFunk]

166. really?

Then why did Wolsh change his entire OP?

[DeschutesRiver]

36. no honestly

no distortion whatsoever, except that it wasn't Lanny.

It was Carol Simpson - and have never been so freaking pissed off in my life listening to it. It was exactly as bad as it sounds, and there was no misunderstanding it. Seriously, listen for yourself - there is no room for any confusion. Awful stuff.

[CoffeeCat]

72. They must be trying to piss people off...

Why else would they say something so offensive?

If the white people on the panel are actually saying that white people won't vote
for a black man, does that mean that Lanny Davis is saying that he's a racist moron
who won't vote for a black man?

That's what Larry needs to ask Lanny. Make him say that he wouldn't vote for a black
man--and show his racism. Or admit that his theory is horse shit, and say that he would
vote for a black candidate.

This stuff makes me so sick. Race was never a topic--until Obama started winning.

Again, I say--they're being so grossly offensive, they must be deliberately trying to
ruin Obama.

They're punishing him because they think Obama stole Hillary's tiara.

[DeschutesRiver]

144. no, no

it was said by Carol Simpson, a black woman who is a Clinton supporter (and from what I've read so far, a formerly respected newswoman). After her shocking statements, it was Lanny who said he absolutely disagreed with them.

I honest to god think this woman meant what she said. I can't figure out for the life of me what her motivation was. Offensive with a capital O.

[MonkeyFunk]

167. LOL

no, no distortion. Just a different person altogether.

[goclark]

179. Her smile was so phony and her race baiting words were

so shocking.



I'm AA and I was so ashamed that she allowed Clinton to use her as a tool.
For Lanny to do it is one thing but for an African American woman to do that and smear her race is beyond anything I have seen yet on my television.

I am angry!

Just so angry!

How can the DNC allow this to continue?


HC is totally to blame for it and if this is what she wants to do to destroy all the good in this country, I'm finished.

[DeschutesRiver]

219. The only thing I can think

is that maybe the only way the good in our country can be destroyed is if we let people do stuff like this without challenging them each and every time. If we don't speak up, speak out and give our anger a voice.

And I don't think we are that kind of country anymore, where we are afraid to speak our opinions. So maybe the only way to get rid of the last vestiges of this garbage is to let it keep coming out, so we can see what we need to fight? At least that is the only positive spin I can put on this abhorable thing which seems to be spewing out all over the place, by lots of people.

Hillary is simply not doing a thing to "lead" on this issue as it spirals out of control - she is using trash talk to get votes to further her personal ambitions. Fine, whatever, but I no more consider her to have leadership qualities than my pet rock of the 70s.

[Jane Austin]

20. I do believe that somebody needs to demand that HRC

Denounce, reject and disown this Davis Cretin.

[4themind]

32. See that's what may have been the plan

Make them say even more outlandish stuff, then reject and denounce while in the meantime saying that her prior language was a mistatement. It's looking like ferraro all over again, watch

[jody]

21. How is that different from saying black people will not vote for a white woman in the primaries? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

33. Yah! Reverse racism! squawk! Reverse racism!

Clinton supporters are about the most admirable people I know.

[jody]

81. Isn't it interesting how a reversed statement can bring out inconsistent views on an issue? n/t

[EFerrari]

222. The problem is, no one said that. You're comparing something

that never happened with something that has happened over and over.

[roseBudd]

65. link please to Obama surrogate saying that

[jody]

75. I did not say an Obama surrogate said that. I merely posed a hypothetical question. n/t

[roseBudd]

102. so pointless since neither Obama or his surrogates have made comparable statements

[jody]

115. Pointless is a figment of your imagination. In fact blacks voted overwhelmingly for BO with stats

from the high 80s to mid 90s.

If that fact is rationalized as to be expected as some have said, i.e. black voters favoring a black candidate, why would it not also be expected for white voters to favor a white candidate?

I wish I knew how to remove race from the set of factors that will certainly influence the GE but I don't believe that will happen.

[bvar22]

140. Yes. That's why Al Sharpton is president today.

Hillary started this campaign with the Black vote....
She lost it on her own.

[jody]

192. IMO HC lost the nomination because the 18-29 age group united behind a charismatic speaker and got

out the vote for Dem caucuses.

That augmented by the majority black vote for BO, 80-95% gave BO the lead however I believe HC holds the lead in primaries.

[hokies4ever]

172. Blacks aren't voting for Obama just because he's black

but I'll let you continue on in your racist rant. You do realize that Hillary used to have the majority of the black vote in polls as recent as 4 to 5 months ago, right?

[jody]

191. Why is "Black People will not vote for a white woman" NOT a racist rant and "White People will not

vote for a black man" a racist rant?

You do know of course that black people voted 80-95% for BO, don't you?

Those facts support the observation "Black People will not vote for a white woman" but you will reply "Black people are not racist."

And I respond, "Tell that to Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan."

[hokies4ever]

211. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

$25 million in debt? She can't run her own house, she can't run her campaign, what makes her think she can run this country? :rofl:

The media tried to convince you that blacks bought into her 'plantation' remarks, but we saw her as a chameleon faking her way onto the political stage. Then she started insulting black voters over and over again (continuing to this day). That's why blacks aren't voting for this race-baiting idiot.

[jody]

240. See #239. n/t

[EFerrari]

223. You need a course in basic logic. Black people DID for for Clinton.

That's one reason she's in the Senate, right?

[jody]

239. "White people DID vote for Obama. That's one reason he's in the Senate, right?" The point is some

who voted for Obama and Clinton in the primaries said race did matter.

For example, in Indiana, 16% of the voters answered "yes" to the question "Was Race of Candidate Important to You". 53% of them were Clinton voters and 47% were Obama voters.

See page 4 at http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#INDEM

Another example, in North Carolina, 18% of the voters answered "yes" to the question "Was Race of Candidate Important to You". 35% of them were Clinton voters and 64% were Obama voters.

See page 4 at http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NCDEM

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

242. So, why is Hillary Clinton bragging that there are racists in this country

that will not vote for Obama?

Because that is how she comes off.

[jody]

243. Beats me but there are probably also racists in this country who will not vote for HC.

IMO there are racists who will not vote for a black candidate and racists who will not vote for a white candidate.

I have no idea how many there are but the primary exit polls suggests perhaps 15% or so of the voters say race is important and that appears to be about even among Obama/Clinton voters.

That may suggest that among voters in the Dem primaries, there were about 6-7% white racists and 6-7% black racists or some other different explanation altogether.

ON EDIT ADD: I browsed a few of the exit polls since posting this reply.

Those who voted for Obama and say race is important appear to be a larger percentage than those who voted for Clinton and say race is important.

Are Clinton voters more egalitarian than Obama voters?

[EFerrari]

247. Your conjecture doesn't change the fact that the Clinton campaign

is trumpeting the support they get from racists.

The Obama campaign has done nothing of the sort.

[jody]

249. 21. How is that different from saying black people will not vote for a white woman in the primaries?

My post #21 started this branch of this thread.

It's a fact that some Obama voters said race was important and their percentage appears to be greater than Clinton voters who say race was important.

You say "the Clinton campaign is trumpeting the support they get from racists."

OK, I'll give you that point but please tell me why hasn't Obama acknowledged the support he got from racists in primaries that is clearly shown in exit polls?

In Illinois, 23% of the voters said yes to the question "Was Race of Candidate Important to You" and 72% of them were Obama voters. Their actions in voting for Obama based on race suggests racists motives and their numbers are nearly three times the probable racists that voted for Clinton.

There you have it folks, Obama has three times as many racist supporters in Illinois as Clinton. :rofl:

[EFerrari]

250. That you can't see the incipient racism in your post is just sad.

And, disgusting as well.

Clinton alienated that voting block -- which votes in the same numbers for actual Democrats as the numbers that Obama is getting.

You may want to ponder why Clinton thinks that bragging about racist voters is something the Obama campaign would never do. And, you probably won't.

[jody]

251. That you won't acknowledge that racism exists in both black and white communities is sad. That's

hypocrisy pure and simple.

Have a nice day and goodbye. :hi:

[gbrenna]

230. Black voters have voted forr many

white politicians-mostly Democrats. However, they will not vote for Hillary Clinton because they don't like her or the tone of her campaign. The Clintons decided to introduce race into this campaign and it backfired.

[jody]

241. See #239. n/t

[Amimnoch]

246. There is a difference between AA's voting for an AA because he's black

and a white person voting for a white person based on the fact that he's white.

I cannot believe anyone can't see that there is a huge difference between the two. Since George Washington, every single president has been a white male. For the first time in our country's history, there is a black male running for the office, and with a darn good chance of making it to at the very least the general election as the leader of one of the 2 major parties ticket. Of course that is going to greatly encourage the African American voting block! It is a representation they have NEVER had the opportunity to really have before now. There is a HUGE difference between someone who goes to the pole and votes for someone who is of their same demographic out of pride that there is finally someone on that ballot who is the first in centuries of their same demographic, and someone who has always had someone from their particular demographic on their ballot and goes to the poll specifically because they want to maintain their demographics dominance.

Yes, Senator Obama's being on the ballot has energized African American voters like no one's business, but to say that AA's who go to the ballot to vote for him are no different than Whites who may go to vote for a white against him for that particular reason are of the same cut.. bullshit.

[DeschutesRiver]

26. Not what I heard

Lanny Davis didn't say that - that woman Carol Simpson said it. Repeatedly.

Lanny Davis said that he disagreed with what she said. Not that he didn't follow up with other really stupid stuff, but I can't attribute that racist crap to him on Larry King. It was Carol - and it was shocking what she said, and how much she stressed it over and over.

[jezebel]

37. that's what I heard too. It was Carol Simpson who said it. Suprisingly Lanny Davis stepped up and

disagreed. As much as I can't stand Lanny Davis he did the right thing here.

[DeschutesRiver]

48. Completely agree

I don't care for Lanny Davis either, but he did do the exact right thing and it was absolutely necessary to do so.

It was bad bad bad stuff - and she made it clear enough that there will be no claims that she was "misunderstood." Unbelievable that she could say that and feel no shame whatsoever.

[4themind]

70. I know I'm assuming but I can't shake the possibilty that this was planned

I hope not, but it just seems to satisfy her campaigns needs, in too many ways.
A person of color (sorry I don't mean that as a bad way but only because I don't know her exact racial composition) says a statement like this but it can't be dismissed as racism because of the race of the speaker, but rather she can say she is being "realistic", remember Hillary's "Everyone Knows that" in response to a question from the reporter on whether her "hard working americans..." statement could be construed as sterotypical.

Hillary can renounce and reject this individual while also clarifying her own statement, which doesn't seem as bad in comparison.

Again I can't say for sure that this happended, but given my interpretation of the relative manipulating (in my view) tactics that I've seen from her campaign so far, I am highly skeptical

[K Gardner]

47. Spot on again. I wish I'd had my DVR on.

[Joe the Revelator]

51. See my edit.

[DeschutesRiver]

145. thx

Saw your other post where you said you heard the voice from another room. If I think back on it, Lanny's voice is soft spoken like Carol's, so could be easily mistaken one for the other.

It was a mind blowing kind of moment.

[cyndensco]

150. As my brother-in-law would say,

Carole Simpson is their "rent-a-negro" today. I guess the viewpoint is not as divisive coming out an AA's mouth...:shrug:

[lob1]

28. I'm for Obama all the way.

Maybe someone can tell me what part of Africa that Scotland and Ireland are in.

[WeDidIt]

38. I woudl imagine they're not far from Poland and Germany

since I'm for Obama all the way, too.

[sudopod]

86. YOU DIDN'T FORGET POLAND! ^_^ nt

[Bicoastal]

45. Ask Idi "Last King of Scotland" Amin?

:shrug:

[FlaGranny]

197. You're for Obama

because he is part Irish, that's why. :-)

[BlooInBloo]

29. Gosh Clinton supporters are admirable.

[WeDidIt]

31. So now all the HRC people are left with is a deck of cards

All 52 of them are race cards.

[shadowknows69]

35. .

:thumbsup:

[Liberal Veteran]

34. I'm a lily white who grew up in rural Georgia and I'm for Obama all the way.

[liberaldem4ever]

233. I love the kitty pictures on your post

Sorry to change the subject, but I noticed your kitties and they are really cute. I am a cat fanatic and have six of my own. This whole primary season has turned kind of depressing here at the end of it, so when I was reading these posts I saw something positive and thought I would comment on it. :hi:

[Double T]

40. If the FOCUS is going to be NONSTOP RACISM.............

"White People will not vote for a black man". THIS is bad for the Democratic Party and MUCH WORSE for our ruined nation.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. Of course he did. It is at the core of the final vitriolic meme that he is "unelectable".

[Cirque du So-What]

43. CNN - dead to me

I'm not kidding. I lobbied hard at a forum I moderate for removal of a CNN ticker and replacement with one for MSNBC. Granted, they're not much better, but they have Olbermann & Maddow; CNN doesn't have anyone even remotely as liberal in their stable of pundits.

[rateyes]

44. I must be the whitest black man on the planet.

What a moronic statement. If that was true, how the hell did he win Vermont, Iowa, etc. etc?

What a load of horseshit.

[BlooInBloo]

49. Race traitors like us don't count.

[gkhouston]

69. maybe you're Black Irish?

;-)

Apparently, the Psychic Friends Network have let the Clinton campaign know that all of the white people who voted for Obama would never, ever truly want to see a black man in the White House, so we'll all vote for a white man instead of Obama in November. Questions for the class:

1) How do they know this?
2) If true, wouldn't we also be afraid of voting for a woman?
3) If true, why did so many white men fall by the wayside during the primary season? It's not like we didn't have a "safe choice" back in February.


This is lower than whaleshit. I think Clinton make have just toasted her political career -- permanently.

[OzarkDem]

50. Obama supporters are getting desperate

No credibility left after so many blatantly dishonest attempts to paint Clinton as a racist.

If your candidate is so great why don't you talk about the issues instead.

[K Gardner]

54. Why doesn't YOUR disgusting "girl" talk about something other than WHITE PEOPLE ? Hypocrit.

[cyndensco]

151. Yeah, we'd all like to hear about her gas tax vacation again.

:sarcasm:

[Doityourself]

202. Yeah what happened to the gas tax vacation..lol..she's so full of shit

[VotesForWomen]

182. she does; you don't care. if she says the word 'white' she's a racist. isn't that the way it works?

[Pale Blue Dot]

60. "If your candidate is so great why don't you talk about the issues instead."

...as you have been doing this entire time.

[BlooInBloo]

92. You're admitable.

[WeDidIt]

103. That's because you can't be sure if we're using crack or dealing

Maybe it's because we're shucking and jiving with out imaginary black friend. We're losing ground with the hard working white folks because we can only win places where Jesse Jackson won.

This whole thing is just a fairy tale.

[hokies4ever]

174. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[Faygo Kid]

52. Edited after reading post 26.

Forget the whole thing.

[TheDebbieDee]

53. But what Lanny Davis is true, if he said it - there are some White people

who will not vote for a Black man simply because he's Black. (I'm putting on my asbestos suit.) That's not a slam against Sen. Obama, it is a statement of fact.

Just as there are some people who would never vote for a woman.......

[AllentownJake]

83. and they are probably the same fucking people

[LibDemAlways]

90. It's just an extremely unpleasant reality. Some

(who knows how many) will make their decision based on race.

I think in a last ditch effort to make her case to the superdelegates Hillary's surrogates have resorted to pointing out something many Dems would rather not think about or acknowledge - that Obama's race will be an issue in the campaign. And you are right. It isn't a slam against Obama. It's just reality.

[Kool Kitty]

159. A disgusting reality.

I really thought that shit would end in my lifetime. I hope I'm not wrong.

[The Night Owl]

153. According to The Obamaton Dictionary I bought at 1/16th Price Books, statements and facts are...

...vehicles for racism.

From The Obamaton Dictionary...


Main Entry: statement
Pronunciation: \ˈstāt-mənt\
Function: noun

1: an assertion which expresses a racist belief or sentiment


Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: \ˈfakt\
Function: noun

1: a piece of information which conveys a racist belief or sentiment

[Missouri Girl]

207. That may be true

However, put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute. What if Obama and Edwards and Biden and Dodd and Richardson and Kucinich ran their campaigns running around hinting at, or having surrogates outright saying that parts of American culture will never vote for a woman. No matter how qualified she is. How would you, as a Clinton supporter feel about that? How would Clinton react to that?

[TheDebbieDee]

220. I didn't like it when that to happened to Sen. Clinton........

I hated the "iron my shirt" incident and the lame jokes about menopause. But it is a fact that some people feel that way about a woman President.

And I think that it is short-sighted and detrimental to either candidate's campaign to pretend that people that feel/think this way don't exist. And I think it's silly to kill the messenger for being the bearer of bad news!

[Beausoir]

55. No Link?!?! What a surprise! We'll just take your word for it, Mia!

[Joe the Revelator]

57. How do I link a live TV show, sport?

[Name removed]

63. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Joe the Revelator]

66. I'm glad that the members of Hillary's various forums have felt inclined to give me a nickname

It would be funnier if people knew what it means.

[Major Hogwash]

85. Don't worry, they won't be here much longer.

Obama is going to declare himself the nominee in 10 days and watch as Hillary's head starts spinning like the girl from the Exorcist movie.

LoL

[K Gardner]

117. There are no less than FOUR threads on this. No less than two dozen people posting they

heard and saw it at the SAME TIME. How pathetic are you few straggling losers when the only defense you have left is fucking DENIAL?

[Beausoir]

225. What a hopeful and uniting message from ObamaLand!

:hi:

[Cali_Democrat]

61. You expect a link in 20 minutes?

get real

[K Gardner]

125. Link to your freaking TV set at midnight, bubba. Transcript and video will be out tomorrow and will

be ALL over the blogs, not just this one. Your pathetic attack on Wolsh does not erase what was said on LIVE TV tonight.

[Raine]

58. This is so insulting to BOTH

black and white voters. :-(

[libnnc]

59. Pasty freckle faced chubby scots irish strawberry blonde hill billy

lesbian here who helped Obama win big in NC.

Are these people insane?

[LibraLiz1973]

62. Someone link to that shit in a youtube if it happened

because if it did, that's it.

[Mooney]

73. Just watch the rerun at midnight EST!

You can see the whole thing in all its jaw-dropping glory.

[TragedyandHope]

64. Let's be honest

If Hillary really had a decisive advantage among white voters, she would have won this race at the voting booth.

[barack the house]

68. Time for super delegates to act, this is just surreal.

[OzarkDem]

71. No, time for Obama supporters to stop lying

and start discussing issues if they want their candidate to be taken seriously. Maybe that's why Obama still can't close the deal on his nomination.

[AllentownJake]

74. SHE FUCKING SAID THAT

[MonkeyFunk]

229. She said it was her fear

she was discussing the so-called Bradley Effect.

Is discussion of it taboo now?

[Forkboy]

76. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

77. You, my friend, are an idiot. You come in, blaring your strawmen just typing

Not even thinking about what you type. You're one of those that just throws all the shit she can find onto the wall just to see what sticks. Which also explains why you're supporting Hillary Clinton. You have no ethical compass which means you can support a candidate lacking one as well. It feels like home, right?

[quantass]

79. You do realize Hillary is the one race-baiting ...its everyone in the news!

and in her own words! One can only wish Hillary would stick to the issues.

[Mooney]

80. Watch the show.

It's rerun at midnight, EST. Watch for yourself, and make your own conclusions.

[SeattleGirl]

87. How can it be a lie when so many people SAW AND HEARD IT?

Your lack of any grasp on reality is truly astounding.

[K Gardner]

98. Please allow me to just say EFFE OFF. You are disgusting. So is your candidate.

[cyndensco]

152. When you find that no one is lying and hrc's surrogate said it,

will you change your opinion of her campaign, if only a little bit?

[Doityourself]

203. Hill was the inevitable nominee with 140 Mil & name recognition..so who can't close

[KamaAina]

78. I can only come to one logical conclusion

that, despite over 40 years of belief to the contrary, I am not white. :P

[Leopolds Ghost]

164. "I'm not black? What you jive mothafa's talkin about?"

"And all this time I've been supporting Barack Obama and donating
money to the Kwanzaa Liberation Front. African Hebrews, Represent!"

[1776Forever]

89. Carol Simpson said the same thing on King a couple of weeks ago! LINK.......

You CANNOT tell me this isn't from the TOP!!!!!

Carole Simpson Says Black Person Can't Be Elected

http://www.maynardije.org/columns/dickprince/080430_prince/

Former ABC anchor Carole Simpson, a Hillary Clinton supporter, said on CNN's "Larry King Live" on Monday that Sen. Barack Obama could not be elected because he is black.

Carole Simpson
Simpson, who now teaches at Emerson College, made the comment in a conversation with professor and author Michael Eric Dyson and Flavia Colgan, columnist and editorial board member of the Philadelphia Daily News, both identified as Obama supporters.

The conversation went like this:

"SIMPSON: Thank you very much. What I want to say is how much things have changed. When this race started, Obama had all of the attention, rock star, Obama girl, everything, everybody was flocking to him. And now look at where we are. And I was asked on this program, should Hillary drop out and I said absolutely not. Anything could happen. And look at what has happened. We have a confluence now of race and religion, two hot political potatoes, and Obama stuck right in the middle of it.

"DYSON: Larry, can I say this? I think it's very important to say that Barack Obama himself has been brilliant in transcending these divisions, these bitter precincts of prejudice, and looking towards an America that he can unite. Even though he loves his pastor and distances himself from what he says that he finds , he calls on the American people to move beyond his paralyzing prejudices to unite as Americans. I think that's what we have to focus on.

"KING: We have about a minute. Flavia, do you fear that Obama may become this year's Dukakis?

COLGAN: Look, the proof in the pudding is in the eating of it. And I certainly respect the viewpoints of the American voter. So far they have obviously chosen Barack Obama, in terms of delegates. And throughout the country, he's running a 50-state strategy. But I will respect whatever decision they make. I think that it's patronizing to the American public to think that we haven't made — and this is where I disagree with Reverend Wright — that we haven't made enough progress as a nation that someone like Barack Obama will not become president simply because of the color of their skin. I do not believe that.

"SIMPSON: Oh, you better believe it.

"COLGAN: I'm sorry. You can have your opinion.

"SIMPSON: You better believe it.

"COLGAN: I do not believe, based on my experience, that that is the case."

[DB1]

91. I guess I better get a tan then. If I get skin cancer it's all Carols fault.

[The Night Owl]

93. Would you be willing to bet your DU account that the quote you provided is accurate? {EOM}

[K Gardner]

96. I think every single one of us who saw and HEARD THIS and are OUTRAGED would.

[Joe the Revelator]

99. Verbatim? No, I'm not looking at the transcript, but I'd bet my account that I'm damn close.

[The Night Owl]

106. If statement is a paraphrase, then you should remove the quotation marks.

Never enclose a paraphrase in quotation marks. Enclosing a paraphrase in quotes is either bad form or dishonest writing.

[Joe the Revelator]

108. You've got to be kidding me.

[K Gardner]

110. Ignore them, Wolsh. They're grasping at straws.

[The Night Owl]

112. No, I'm not kidding. If the statement is a paraphrase, then remove the quotation marks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

It is generally considered incorrect to use quotation marks for paraphrased speech where they may give the impression that the paraphrasing represents the actual words used.

Putting quotation marks around paraphrases is the kind of shit Newsmax pulls to fabricate quotes.

[Joe the Revelator]

116. Lets wait for the transcript-- if I'm off, I'm off by a word.

[The Night Owl]

121. "Let's wait for the transcript-- if I'm off, I'm off by a light-year." - Wolsh

Fabricating quotes is fun!

[Joe the Revelator]

122. Its amazing that you'd rather argue with me, then question your support of a racist.

Good show.

[The Night Owl]

130. What is amazing is the fact that someone has to argue with you to get you to...

...remove quotation marks from a statement which you have admitted is not a quote.

[Joe the Revelator]

132. Why don't you address the issue. And it is a quote, one verified by a number of other people who

heard the comments in real time.

[The Night Owl]

135. You said that the quote is not verbatim...

"Verbatim? No, I'm not looking at the transcript, but I'd bet my account that I'm damn close." - Wolsh

Damn close is not good enough. If the quote is not verbatim, then remove the quotation marks.

I will be happy to discuss anything you like after you do the right thing-- remove the quotation marks.

[Joe the Revelator]

138. Do you have any proof that its not the full quote?

Its the full quote as I remember it. Its close enough to warrant quotation marks, but not close enough to bet my account on word for word accuracy. Why does this bother you so much if you're not trying to shit up the thread?

[Major Hogwash]

141. Lanny didn't say it just once - he said it 3 times!!!

And Ed Schultz just laughed in his face!

[The Night Owl]

142. I'm not the one claiming to know exactly what Carole Simpson said. You are. The burden of proof...

...is on you.

Close enough doesn't cut it.

[Joe the Revelator]

158. Did you watch the replay? Was I wrong?

[The Night Owl]

196. I just checked the transcript, fabricator. The quote which you used as the title...

...of this thread does not appear anywhere in the transcript. You paraphrased something someone said and slapped quotes around it. As I wrote before, quotations are used only for direct quotes. From here on out, no one should consider you credible.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

234. "quotations are used only for direct quotes"

It's a simple concept but many do not understand.

[MonkeyFunk]

206. He originally attributed it to Lanny Davis

so accuracy isn't his strong point.

[JackORoses]

157. pay no attention to the Night Bowel

[Major Hogwash]

105. I'll take that bet Night Owl - my account against yours!

Now put up or shut up!!

[The Night Owl]

204. I win. A transcript of the Larry King show is available in post #175.

Feel free to delete your DU account. Of course, you won't delete your DU account because... words don't matter to you. If they did, you would not have defended what Wolsh tried to do here.

[The Night Owl]

199. .

Oops! Wrong place.

[frickaline]

95. Here's a tinfoil hat theory for ya, my random thought of the day

:tinfoilhat:

I find it hard to believe that there exists a person in this world that could not foresee that Hillary's recent racially-charged comments were completely self-destructive :nuke: for her campaign. And that includes Hillary herself. So why would she make these racially charged comments knowing that they would be received so poorly?

Knowing that she's a democrat and would therefore get no second chance at a presidential run, I began to wonder if she was "taking a dive" for some reason. Perhaps making comments of this nature would help to solidify and further motivate the Black vote. Perhaps it might cause White voters to question their own motivation for not voting for Obama.

Perhaps not, but I just find it so hard to believe that an educated, experience politician could think that these types of statement are helpful to her campaign in any way, regardless of her views on race.

Is it possible that this is where the 'paying off the Clinton debt' thing comes in? It just all seems a bit suspicious. Have we been played?

[Timberside]

97. Is it confirmed that this is what was said? I find it so unbelievable!

[K Gardner]

101. The show reruns at midnight. Watch it.

[Major Hogwash]

104. You need it confirmed? Man, you haven't been paying attention lately.

Bubba said today that "White America is finally waking up."

What more do you need?

[Joe the Revelator]

107. Whoa, I missed that one.

[K Gardner]

109. ROFL !! One of HRC supporters posted that lie today and it was actually allowed

to remain unlocked for quite some time.

[cyndensco]

154. When did bubba say that?

At this point, NOTHING the clintons do surprise me, but I haven't heard that one either.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

160. Bubba as in Bill? Could I get the link on that quote, please?

TIA.

[Major Hogwash]

186. Nope, no link, it was on tv.

I think it was on CNN during the news portion. Olbermann showed part of Bubba's speech on his program as well.

It happened in West Virginia on Friday.

I'm hoping it will be on YouTube today.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

188. I'll be waiting to see/hear it.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

235. Anything yet on that quote from Bill you provided?

[Major Hogwash]

248. Chris Matthews showed it on his program on Friday.

Check your local listings.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

255. Seems like if Bill Clinton said, "White America is finally waking up"

it would be everywhere.

[The Night Owl]

218. Fraud. See post #175 for transcript. {EOM}

[Cha]

100. Where's carol/lanny been for the last

4 months? Do they have the brain between them to get that there aren't too many Black people in Iowa.

It's the m$$$fm that are allowing them to spew their shit. Fuckin' a$$hole racists.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

113. wasn't the rest of it "in West Virginia" or some other qualifier?

I know it's so much fun to play it up and to wring your hands - but I believe that you are not quoting it correctly.

[Joe the Revelator]

114. Who ever said it, did not qualify it by mentioning WV

[Califooyah Operative]

118. Carol & Lanny carry water daily. nt

[spindrifter]

119. I think it is our responsibility to

stand up against this type of spin. Why should we tolerate it when people want to take this to the black-white/we-they level. There are actual issues out there, so let's talk about them.

[Carrieyazel]

120. Who the hell is Carol Simpson? Not the ex-ABC News anchor?

[Joe the Revelator]

123. The very same.

[SoxFan]

216. At least she's open about it now

During the 1992 primaries, she was in he tank for the Clinton's but pretended to be an objective "journalist".

[New Dawn]

124. Nothing those DLC hacks say surprises me anymore.

Racism, threats of genocidal aggression against Iran, etc.

[ShortnFiery]

126. Oh Goodie, it's the "Fast Eddy Rendel" WHITE Hope Strategy!?!

:eyes:

[silverojo]

127. "They" also say people won't vote for a woman

So HRC and BO are equally screwed, aren't they? :sarcasm:

[tsuki]

128. This old white woman will. nt

[K Gardner]

129. Carol Simpson: "I Chose the White Doll"... "I decided to teach my children

to respect and love themselves. How can we expect others to like and respect us if we don't like ourselves?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSafZUWok98 (BLACK IN WHITE AMERICA)

She's come a long way.. down, down, down. All for love of Hillary.

[Evergreen Emerald]

200. So, you are suggesting Simpson should not vote for Clinton

Because Simpson is black?

[JVS]

131. This is not good.

[ShortnFiery]

133. This is VILE.

:nuke:

[KansasVoter]

134. OMG....I'M NOT WHITE????

[gauguin57]

139. Obama is half white. Raised by a white mom and white grandparents.

So, white people, you can vote for Obama and be voting for a white man.

a guy related to both Dick Cheney and Brad Pitt.

just sayin' ...

[Skip Intro]

143. Do you have a direct quote?

[Joe the Revelator]

147. Its replaying on CNN right now

[Political Heretic]

146. Carol Simpson is a "low information voter"

:)

[and-justice-for-all]

155. Fuck that! I voted for Obama and will do so AGAIN!! THANX!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

161. "Vote if you want for this old grey head, but spare your country's nominee, she said."

[TexasObserver]

171. Carol Simpson was embarrassing. Where do they get these unctuous old fools?

some of Hillary's toads are throw backs to the Jim Crow era

[goclark]

178. Some people will stick with a friend when the friend is

down and out.

Especially when that friend has made them believe that they are going to give them a good job.

Carol Simpson was a disgrace and I am African American.

I have a few names that I want to call her but I won't.

I'm AA and in our culture we would say to her, " Home Girl,you need to shut up!"

[w4rma]

173. Double edged sword: "Men will not vote for a woman". (nt)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

175. TRANSCRIPT:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0805/09/lkl.01.html

[goclark]

177. Carol Simpson should be ashamed of herself

I am African American and I have no problem with African Americans supporting Hillary Clinton.

I am for Obama but Carol Simpson has a right to her opinion.

However, as an African American and a woman,if she believes that Hillary Clinton is running a fair campaign and she doesn't see one thing that is racist after all those comments -- that's sad.

When a White guest can say it's race baiting and you honestly can't see the forest for the greedy trees -- that's sad.

I wonder how she sleeps tonight.

[VotesForWomen]

180. oh golly, more lying race-baiting from the Hopeful Changers. this will work great in the GE!

[FrenchieCat]

181. I'll be so glad really, really soon......

Aren't you late for the Neocon House party with Joe Lieberman, John McCain and Scalias? :shrug:

[VotesForWomen]

184. honey, i'm a Kucinich supporter; but seriously, you people better get a grip before the GE, because

the constant racism accusations will sink obama faster than his stunning lack of qualifications for the job of president.

[FrenchieCat]

185. Have fun with the NeoCons.....getting your "war" on.

Should be a blast! :nuke:

[cboy4]

212. Oh snap!

LOL

[SoxFan]

217. Kucinich is a woman?

Is there something we don't know about?

[VotesForWomen]

183. sexism exists. there, i said it. did i justify it? no. and you wonder why people call you liars.

[FlaGranny]

198. Good lord,

you turn EVERYTHING into "sexism."

[Orsino]

195. Not to mention being demonstrably incorrect.

Has she slept through this primary season?

[The Night Owl]

201. "I admit that I fabricated the quote used in the title of this thread." - Wolsh

Making up quotes is fun! I wonder what else I can get you to say.

[MBS]

205. Here's Bob Herbert's thoughtful, angry response to this s____

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x358215

[WeDidIt]

208. It's just so sad

that I've loist so much respect for so many people.

I can never ever have respect for Hillary Clinton again.

After hearing that it's clear to me the cmapaign has chosen to play the race card, and that decision solifies it for me.

Hillary Clionton has proven herself to be a racist.

[Maribelle]

209. Carol Simpson did not say that. Yet another made up quote to bash Hillary?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0805/09/lkl.01.html

[livetohike]

221. So what does this comment mean - taken from the link you

posted?

SIMPSON: Do you know what my big fear is, is that Barack Obama is going to win the nomination and during the general election all of those white people that came out to vote for him in the primaries are going to get in that booth and are not going to vote for him, just like Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley, when he was running for the governor of California. All the polls said that he was going to win and he lost by a large margin because people...

KING: Yes. What are you saying that America will not elect...

SIMPSON: ...said what was politically correct.

KING: You're saying America will not elect a black man?

Is that what you're saying?

SIMPSON: I am fearful of that. I am fearful that "God damn America" is going to pop into their heads as soon as they get into the polling booth.

KING: Lanny, do you buy that?

[Meshuga]

215. They are pissing off so many people

that even if Hillary won the nomination she would be in trouble since so many people would stay home. That's stupid politics that doesn't help anybody.

I don't mind her staying in the race as long as the stupidity stops.

[Arugula Latte]

231. Oregon, South Dakota and Montana are poised to prove this B.S. wrong.

[BenDavid]

232. A black woman speaking the truth, but some of you obama folks

need to take off the damn rose colored glasses and realize we still have a long way to go before there is equality. If you do not believe it then explain why there is such a division between blacks and latino's?

It is sad but you can blame obama and his campaign for injecting race into this campaign first. Yes, that is truth too, but with the help of the whoremedia obama was able to carry this off, and Bill Clinton was the best friend Blacks have ever had in the White House, and Hillary can't even get 10% of Blacks to support her, but once again, we hrc folks are blamed for playing the race card if you mention that Blacks tend to vote for Blacks.

HRC said Obama called Indiana "the tie-breaker." Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but she's using his mistakes against him. That's what you're supposed to do in a political campaign, but when HRC does it, some of you obama folk call it "playing the race card." I say Bullshit.....

[MilesColtrane]

236. I frequently find that when someone goes out of their way to let you know...

...they're telling you the truth, they aren't.

[Major Hogwash]

253. Actually, she wasn't lying as much as suggesting. Lanny was the one lying his ass off.

And trying to be "too cute" about it.

[Willo]

237. Ahh, that explains it

White people who voted for Barack are not really...white. Which could easily be proven by a simple DNA testing to detect that one drop of black blood in the ancestry. Thereby explaining their overwhelming response to the call of the drum to

BARACK THE VOTE!

[AZBlue]

245. Wow, Carol - you're a bigot and a racist. This is bad for the country.

SO STFU, CAROL!

[Texas Hill Country]

256. exact quote please, not a warped interpretation.

[Why Syzygy]

257. Men will not vote for a girl.