When is the last time a "presumptive nominee" lost a state by 30+ points?

[NJSecularist]

Has any previous Democratic "presumptive nominee" ever lost a state by as much as Obama did tonight? We are nominating a candidate who will be lucky to break 35% in a Democratic state even when he was annointed as the presumptive nominee by the MSM...

[BlooInBloo]

1. hahahaha!

[Ned_Devine]

2. WV is a blue state? In what country?

[NJSecularist]

8. They are overwhelming Democratic.

However, they are a conservative Democratic state.

They have two Democratic senators, a Democratic governor, and an overwhelming Democratic legislature.

[Ned_Devine]

14. Yet the state turns red every GE

[NJSecularist]

22. Every GE? Are you new to politics?

Dukakis and Clinton won West Virginia. Kerry and Gore were not good candidates for West Virginia and Bush was a great candidate there, which is why Bush won.

[Ned_Devine]

29. Forgot about 16 and 20 years ago. Thinking more recently

Isn't Jay Rockefeller (Sp.) one of their senators? More of a DINO than a dem

[NJSecularist]

35. 2 elections doesn't eliminate the fact that West Virginia used to be reliably Democratic.

And it could be the next two elections if Hillary is our nominee.

[Ned_Devine]

41. Are you really hanging on to that dream?

I am not saying this to be a wise guy. I just want to know how it is that someone can actually see it from your perspective and believe it. I find it amazing

[ladjf]

72. So was the rest of the Southern states until the Republicans

discovered how to play the race card with winks. All of the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party and joined the Republicans.

[last_texas_dem]

70. AR is Democratic at the state level, too

Doesn't mean Clinton or Obama has a decent shot at winning it in the general election, even considering its status as one of Clinton's "home" states and her overwhelming margin of victory in its primary. So what's your point?

[tekisui]

3. Funny year, huh?

The Presumptive Loser won a state late. This has more to do with the calender than the state of the race.

[AZ Criminal JD]

66. Obama has won practically nothing since Feb. 22

N. Carolina was his first and only state. Clinton has been winning all of the contests. Good spin though.

[tekisui]

76. VT, WY, MS, oh yeah and the TX caucus.

And many more superdelegates and much more money.

[scheming daemons]

78. And NC......

[Doityourself]

4. You just don't give up, huh? Well good for you. lmao...

[YDogg]

5. once upon a time, Clinton was the presumptive nominee.

[Ned_Devine]

12. Yeah, before the race started. Haha!

[grannylib]

6. I dunno, when's the last time someone who can't win the nomination

kept running, to the detriment of the party and the nation?

[jsmirman]

46. Bingo. When's the last time a candidate emerged as a nominee while losing in every metric

but keep running anyway Hillary.

The mic ain't on, the lights are off, but you just keep prattling away at the podium on your journey to... somewhere...

[rockymountaindem]

1) Look at the numerous states in which Obama won by double digits

2) WV is a "Democratic state"? Is this 1968?

[StevieM]

7. And on top of that he isn't even a very nice guy (eom)

[hendo]

21. is that really a personal attack

on someone you have never met no less.

[Mooney]

31. Gee, that's relevant.

[Coexist]

9. McCain - tonight.

[Kittycat]

10. How many states did she lose by that margin?

Too many to count. It's all over NJS. Next tuesday is victory night, prepare to support the nominee.

ETA: Are you ready to flip back to Obama now? You lasted as a clinton supporter for what? 1 state now?

[Politicub]

11. I'm not sure Obama campaigned there

I think it was apparent to everyone that WV would go for Hillary - no surprises here.

[hendo]

13. When was the last time..

A presumptive nominee lost 10 primaries in a row? Oh wait, It happened to HRC.

Obama was expected to lose in WV, in fact the HRC campaign said it would be 80-20. By those odds, Obama did great.

[OzarkDem]

15. Don't know, but it will happen again next week

School is out, Obama's supporters are on summer vacation.

[Doityourself]

26. In what state Kentucky? I think you maybe a little surprised.

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[cali]

16. WV is not a democratic state in the sense that MA or NY

or CA is. It is not reliable when it comes to the GE. And sorry, racism played a role in WV today. It's difficult to know how big a role, but it undoubtedly was a factor in the results.

[NJSecularist]

28. It is reliably Democratic at the state level.

And with a nominee that appeals to the state, like Hillary Clinton, Hillary will win it twice.

[cali]

39. but we're not talking about the state level. We're talking about

the presidential level and it's not reliable in that regard.

[ProSense]

17. It must be painful to realize one has jumped onto a sinking ship, huh? n/t

[kirby]

18. When is the last time a black man ran for president?

We are on new grounds here. Other factors are at play.

[quantass]

55. Good point!

[dchill]

19. "annointed as the presumptive nominee by the MSM..."

Or was it a majority of the Democratic Party? Depending on your metric, of course.

[quantass]

58. ..and Annointed the Nominee by SUPER-DELEGATES overwhelmingly

[skipos]

20. OMG!!! And when is the last time a black person became president?!?!?

We need to dumps this Husian guy ASAP!

[keep_it_real]

23. As the chinese proved says, may you live in interesting times

And we are sure living in interesting times, indeed.

[Thrill]

24. WV isn't going to be a blue state. Forget it. No matter who the nominee is.

But for the record. Just because you don't win a state in the primary doesn't mean you aren't going to win it in the GE

[Hoof Hearted]

25. Let me guess....... .. ... .... . . ... .. NEVER.

[AllentownJake]

27. I think Edwards

is going to break 5-9% what does that say about both of them.

[book_worm]

30. Jimmy Carter in 1976: Oregon (May 25th) 53-23 Jerry Brown won

Montana (6/1) 59-25 Frank Church won. California (June 8) 59-20 Jerry Brown won. Nevada (May 25th) 53-23 Jerry Brown won. Idaho 79-12 (May 25) Frank Church won.

Next question?

[gabeana]

51. great find

you just smacked that Op idiot upside the head

[tabasco]

61. I was hoping somebody looked it up.

I was too damn tired. Thanks!

[NJSecularist]

77. Jerry Brown was from California. Frank Church was from Idaho.

Brown won Nevada, which borders California. Frank Church won Montana, which borders Iowa.


Nothing like that is here. Since when does New York border West Virginia? Obama got his ass kicked in a state that Hillary has no connections to.

Try again.

[johnnydrama]

32. when's the last time?

A democratic nominee lost Washington DC?

By 50%?

[thewiseguy]

33. This was your third thread I hope?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

34. Of all the frigging states in the entire country that SHOULD be blue without question it is WV

But they defy . . . common wisdom. They are the epitome of a populace voting consistently against their own self interests.

Their working interests, their environmental interests, their everything interests. Invincible . . . oh, never mind.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Washington, DC, Hawaii.

Pick a date...all of those happened when Hillary was the presumptive nominee.

[NJSecularist]

40. Hillary was never the presumptive nominee when those states were voting. n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

44. Oh, please....Hillary walked into this race with HUGE advantages.

It was supposed to be a cakewalk for her.

[book_worm]

47. See my post 30 for your answer. I also think in 1980 Ted Kennedy may have taken a couple of late

states by big margins over President Carter when Carter was the presumptive nominee.

[Renew Deal]

54. Yes she was. She's been the presumptive nominee since 1999

[democrank]

37. Is this a joke?

When was the last time the grassroots` candidate challenged the most deeply entrenched political machine in all of Washington and got this far?

[keep_it_real]

38. In the GE if Obama

Campaigns in WV a in your face, I'm gonna be the next president of the U.S. and you are gonna vote for me cause I'm no better or no worst than you and sorta does what Kennedy did in WV he could if not turn them around.

[zulchzulu]

42. True...look how many states Obama won by over 30%...that's right! 14 states!

[LisaL]

60. When was the last time democrat won the presidency

without winning West Virginia?
OH? FL? PA?

[Frumious B]

43. It looks like John McCain finished a very distant third in W Va.

I guess he needs to drop out due to his inability to connect with white working class voters.

[knixphan]

48. when was the last time

a candidate nobody knew a year ago
took the primary
from one who was well-known
for 16 years?

[RBInMaine]

49. #1, it's about demographics. #2 Mondale lost several in the end to Hart.

[yourguide]

50. Um this year:

HRC was the presumptive nominee up until Obama started oh, beating her.


The stats are:

Idaho (+63 Obama)
Obama: 80%, HRC: 17%

Hawaii (+52 Obama)
Obama: 76%, HRC: 24%

DC (+51 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 24%

Alaska (+49 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 25%

Kansas (+48 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 26%

Washinton (+37 Obama)
Obama: 68%, HRC: 31%

Georgia (+35 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 31%

Colorado (+35 Obama)
Obama: 67%, HRC: 32%

Minnesota (+34 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 32%

Illinois (+32 Obama)
Obama: 65%, HRC: 33%

Virginia (+29 Obama)
Obama: 64%, HRC: 35%

South Carolina (+28 Obama)
Obama: 55%, HRC: 27%, Edwards: 18%

North Dakota (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Mississippi (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Wyoming (+23 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 38%

Maryland (+23 Obama)
Obama: 60%, HRC: 37%

Louisiana (+21 Obama)
Obama: 57%, HRC: 36%

Vermont (+20 Obama)
Obama: 59%, HRC: 39%

[Renew Deal]

52. If we nominate Hillary, she will have done it 11 times.

[PermanentRevolution]

53. Well, actually, at the moment...

C: 61%
O: 33%

That's 28 points, not 30+

Just sayin'...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914#WV

[The Night Owl]

56. May 13, 2008

[RiverStone]

57. When was the last time a candidate broke a pledge to NOT count...

...states that broke the DNC rules?

Enjoy her win NJ, they are fleeting.

[LisaL]

59. I dunno. When was the last time two states did not count

at the convention?

[RiverStone]

63. Never, but the arrogant party bosses in FLA/MI that gave...

Howard Dean & the DNC the finger should have thought of that.

[gabeana]

65. I dunno. when was the last time

a candidate wanted to count a state where their opponent was not on the ballot? see two can play this game

[LoZoccolo]

62. Sounds like a good number of these people are butt-ass racist.

Hillary's target demographic as indicated by her comments last week.

[RollergirlVT]

64. Idaho

Same number of delegates. Obama won by 79% Clinton 17% Population White & Rural

[sellitman]

67. Early victory pictures in WV.

Hillary can be President of West Virginia!

Hip, hip, hooray!

[Bullet1987]

68. When was the last time the MSM kept propping up an eventual loser?

That's the better question, instead of telling it like it is?

[Gore1FL]

69. Probably 1992, 1888 and or 1984

[peoli]

71. When was the last time you posted anything remotely interesting?

[Fox Mulder]

73. I don't know if you know this or not, but we don't have a presumptive nominee...

yet.

And since when is NC blue???

[dano81818]

74. yes, hillary has done a great job of tearing down barack

slash and burn baby

[Citizen Kang]

75. And how many states has Hillary lost by 30+ points?

The answer is FIVE:

the DC primary (75 percent), and the caucuses in Alaska (75 percent), Hawaii (76 percent), Idaho (79 percent), and Kansas (74 percent).


Enjoy your last hurrah.

[Ichingcarpenter]

79. You're a Scab on the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party.

You said the repuglicans could still win in Mississippi tonight after it was called.

You don't fool anyone anymore that's a member of the Democratic Party.

I don't care if this gets deleted or alerted.

You called yourself out tonight.

[ericgtr]

80. When is the last time you watched Deliverance?

[Occam Bandage]

81. Carter, '76.